Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

For how long will Chris Scott be Geelong coach?

  • For as long as he wants the job

  • 5+ more years

  • Somewhere between 2020 and 2022 (i.e. beyond his current contract)

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2019

  • He will be sacked/resign in 2018

  • The Nuclear Option: sacked/resign in 2017


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BlightysCats

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You're also pretty convinced Saints or Melbourne are more likely to win a flag than us, so prone to very black and white statements however you want to try and back-track.
I'm not back tracking at all, the Saints or Melbourne will win a flag again before we do. Until we start a rebuild the Bomber Thompson Geelong way we won't be winning anything again.
 
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Am I supposed to be impressed by that? The Maharishi (I know you won't know who he is so do a Google search) gave people false guidance too and also got a bit on the side, it's your 'followers' prerogative if they choose to be misguided by you and it certainly doesn't in anyway strengthen your feeble arguments.

Its not to boast but I have a better record of getting big predictions right than any other poster on this board , thats why i am so popular.

Its just the hard cold truth , your number 1 great enemy when I say Scott is a better finals coach than Bomber because he won the 2011 premiership while Bomber couldn't despite having the same side plus ablett make it past a prelim.
 
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I'm not back tracking at all, the Saints or Melbourne will win a flag again before we do. Until we start a rebuild the Bomber Thompson Geelong way we won't be winning anything again.

Blighty you realise that only 1 club can win a premiership a year ? because it sound like every club other than Geelong is going to win a premiership over the next 5 years.
 

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Blighty you realise that only 1 club can win a premiership a year ? because it sound like every club other than Geelong is going to win a premiership over the next 5 years.
In BC's world: WB this year. Then Saints next year. The Melbourne the year after.

Wait, what about GWS? Sydney? Hawthorn?

What about Hardwick's Tigers? Now that Balmy's there, BC has them back on track. And Buckley's Pies?

Sheeeeeeeeet. Looks like there we're gonna have 8 premiers in 2-3 years. Interesting times in Blighty's world.
 

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Simple questions for the official Chris Scott cheer squad: Do any of you expect us to win the flag this year?

If not then how could you possibly justify our recruiting and list management strategy under Scott?
I'm not the Chris Scott cheer squad, but

I do. I have every year we made the eight, and others when we haven't. So, what? Believing in your team is some sort of negative? I don't think you get what the word "supporter" means, if that is the case.
 
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Even now Scott has 6 Premiership players on our list Hardwick has none. Quality of list, finals experience, and club culture/competence at an admin level are more than reasonable arguments for why Hardwick has struggled at times, it's also emerged he over coaches at times according to Richmond's offseason review of the coaching group so like all good coaches he can definitely improve. Never said I want Hardwick at Geelong just I think he's a good coach and when you look at the list he's had and his superior results against both Sydney and Hawthorn to Scott over the 2012-2015 period I think there's at the very least some merit to that argument.
As for Scott everybody keeps talking about all the players he's lost and the fact we've continued to play (and overwhelmingly lose) finals, well we've recruited mature age recruits to do precisely that while also supposedly developing young talent to strongly push for a flag by as Cook said '2015/16.' Did we strongly push for a flag in 2015/16? One year we finished 10th the other we lasted 10 minutes in to a Prelim - face it guys Scott has failed. Do any of you think we'll honestly push strongly for the 2017 flag?

We should've rebuilt properly, we should be in the same position as Melbourne or St Kilda right now heading up the ladder in the coming years for a genuine shot at a flag, not falling down it doomed to mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

I just feel sorry for Danger because at some point this season he's going to realise he's moved to a club with no chance of winning a Premiership in his time.:(



Lol. I read up until 'overwhelmingly lose finals.'
He's got almost a 50-50 record.
 
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Fine. Just asking. Though I do find it puzzling you don't seem to care that we won't have any success despite our recruit for now policy? If we aren't going to have any success then rationally why don't we begin to recruit properly for 5 years down the track when we could actually genuinely have success with a new group of talented kids?

Because unlike you most players, officials, coaches and fans, don't actually like accepting defeat.

You're a loser with a loser's mentality mate yet you seem hellbent on trying to cast everyone who disagrees with you in that exact light.

I've grown up loving both AFL and League, for different reasons. AFL is superior in a lot of ways, but one thing league has going for it is that in every off season and at the start of every premiership race, all teams are aiming to win it.

Accepting before you start that you can't is a warped mentality. I'll be extremely disappointed if my club ever adopts such an approach. If you're at the bottom already, then fine, be prepared to accept that you will need patience. But if you're not already there, do whatever it takes to compete.
 
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Because unlike you most players, officials, coaches and fans, don't actually like accepting defeat.

You're a loser with a loser's mentality mate yet you seem hellbent on trying to cast everyone who disagrees with you in that exact light.

I've grown up loving both AFL and League, for different reasons. AFL is superior in a lot of ways, but one thing it has going for it is that in every off season and at the start of every premiership race, all teams are aiming to win it.

Accepting before you start that you can't is a warped mentality. I'll be extremely disappointed if my club ever adopts such an approach. If you're at the bottom already, then fine, be prepared to accept that you will need patience. But if you're not already there, do whatever it takes to compete.
We already accepted that mentality in 2000,01,02,03. Are you disappointed yet?
 
Lol. I read up until 'overwhelmingly lose finals.'
He's got almost a 50-50 record.
He disregards aka cherry picks (conveniently) 2011 finals series. You know, when we won.
 

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Blighty you realise that only 1 club can win a premiership a year ? because it sound like every club other than Geelong is going to win a premiership over the next 5 years.
Not every other club just a few, but you're right we certainly won't be unless we start our rebuild come the 2017 draft and given Scott's propensity to want to draft mature age recruits in order to keep his job then more than likely we certainly won't be doing anything in the next 5 years.
 

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Not every other club just a few, but you're right we certainly won't be unless we start our rebuild come the 2017 draft and given Scott's propensity to want to draft mature age recruits in order to keep his job then more than likely we certainly won't be doing anything in the next 5 years.
Why do you constantly ignore the large number of draftees taken into the club in the past two drafts? Is it disdain for the current administration, disdain for low picks or something else entirely? We have a big crop of kids being brought through our systems and being taught by our development coaches. Is it that you think we could only get anywhere with the Hugh McLuggage's and Andrew McGraths of this world?
 
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Not every other club just a few, but you're right we certainly won't be unless we start our rebuild come the 2017 draft and given Scott's propensity to want to draft mature age recruits in order to keep his job then more than likely we certainly won't be doing anything in the next 5 years.

I predicted before the start of 2007 Geelong would dominate the AFL for the next 5 years and I was right .

Geelong will contend for a premiership over the next 5 years , we will not be as good as we were in 07-11 but we will compete and win at least 1 premiership.

In fact you add a more mature cockatoo and Lang , more speed in our back 6 and more cohesive midfield to last year we win the premiership .

How good is this forward 6 ?

Menzel Hawkins Mcarthy
Motlop Taylor Cockatoo

How good is this midfield ?

Smith Selwood Dangerfield
Guthrie Menegola Duncan

How good is this back 6 ?

Bews Lonegan Kolo
Tuohy Henderson Thurlow

This is a top 4 and potential premiership side .
 

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And hating on your club to the point you can't accept positives puts you in a special category of your own
What a great observation Mr Blicavs,
Not accepting the positives is significant but what jerks my chain is cutting s**t Clubs and Coaches such slack that is never offered for our own Club.
To me that's disengenious and reeks of a fake supporter
 
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We already accepted that mentality in 2000,01,02,03. Are you disappointed yet?


Yeah, because I'm Stewie Griffin and can jump in a time machine whenever the f*** I feel like it, so in the last hour I deliberately went back to the start of each of those seasons, so I could be disappointed about something that happened when I was still in high school.
 

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What a great observation Mr Blicavs,
Not accepting the positives is significant but what jerks my chain is cutting s**t Clubs and Coaches such slack that is never offered for our own Club.
To me that's disengenious and reeks of a fake supporter
It's ironic isn't it
 
Fine. Just asking. Though I do find it puzzling you don't seem to care that we won't have any success despite our recruit for now policy? If we aren't going to have any success then rationally why don't we begin to recruit properly for 5 years down the track when we could actually genuinely have success with a new group of talented kids?
But of course I care; who does not care?! But it's not a fait-accompli. You seem to have given up hope of enjoyment of this season and the next 5 because you sense we can't win it. Same with Bobby.There are always things to look forward to with Geelong- if there's one thing my 50 odd years of support has taught me it's that.
 
But of course I care; who does not care?! But it's not a fait-accompli. You seem to have given up hope of enjoyment of this season and the next 5 because you sense we can't win it. Same with Bobby.There are always things to look forward to with Geelong- if there's one thing my 50 odd years of support has taught me it's that.
This. Plenty of enjoyment can still be taken in down years
My earlier memories as a member were in years we missed finals. Didn't dampen my enjoyment of football at all. Healthy attitude to have imo.
 
Hardly definitive statements. However now I will make a definitive statement - we won't win a flag in the next 5 years and 'who cares' attitudes like yours are far too prevalent on here, I reckon the GFC should have success and if it's clear it's not going to then it should be implementing a clear plan for a real shot at success. I 3000% guarantee we're not winning the flag any time in the foreseeable future so we should already be implementing a clear rebuild designed to get us up there with a real shot at a flag in the early 2020s. There is clearly a way to win flags and that is to build through the draft over 3/4 years and top off with the odd trade. We saw Geelong do that to win their first flag in 44 years, now we've seen the Doggies do it, and I reckon in a few years we'll see Melbourne or St Kilda do it too. It's sad that they're all taking our original model for success and we're so stupidly and blindly refusing to do it.
It's that easy isn't it!
The wealth of talent that GWS has is simply astounding, and if they manage to maintain their list, success should be theirs for a good era, We can't possibly recruit that way in this current comp, specially as we have "failed" to plummet to the bottom. You don't think your ideas have not been examined by CS et al?
That, plus the gradual decline and departure of a host of champion premiership players who deserve a respectful way to end their careers.
Why not look for other windows of opportunity in this competition, when we can still attract v good to excellent players, while we are still in touch with the top 4, top 8, whatever the case is? This blueprint you talked about DID work for us, but where did we come from to get there? And what sort of team/club are we perceived to be now, as compared to the team of 15-20 years ago?
 

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But of course I care; who does not care?! But it's not a fait-accompli. You seem to have given up hope of enjoyment of this season and the next 5 because you sense we can't win it. Same with Bobby.There are always things to look forward to with Geelong- if there's one thing my 50 odd years of support has taught me it's that.
There's nothing of any substance to look forward to until Scott goes, until then we're going to float around aimlessly losing finals with no hope of a flag.
 

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You don't think your ideas have not been examined by CS et al?
No I don't think they have been. Leppitsch said in his final press conference that had he known he had only one year to prove himself at the Lions prior to being sacked he would've given away their first round pick to get a mature player in and try to keep his job - just like his former Brisbane Lions teammate they share the same philosophy because that's exactly what Scott's been doing and continues to do.
 
There's nothing of any substance to look forward to until Scott goes, until then we're going to float around aimlessly losing finals with no hope of a flag.
I feel for you if you truly believe that, and if that is all that counts for you as a Cats supporter.
There are plenty of Hawthorn supporters who DON'T walk around with a sense of entitlement, despite their apparent ubiquitous success.
There are thousands of Saints, Demons, Blues, Freo, Tigers etc etc supporters who are so envious of the Club we follow, because of the way we are still in contention, when most of the AFL hierarchy is sick of our time at the top in this socialistic competition.
 

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This blueprint you talked about DID work for us,
And The Bulldogs last year, and Hawthorn in 2008. It worked for us and it will work again done properly for us, however the current strategy has not worked for us at all and it's just so, so, painfully obvious that it will continue not to. I honestly don't understand how you can't see that?!?
 
No I don't think they have been. Leppitsch said in his final press conference that had he known he had only one year to prove himself at the Lions prior to being sacked he would've given away their first round pick to get a mature player in and try to keep his job - just like his former Brisbane Lions teammate they share the same philosophy because that's exactly what Scott's been doing and continues to do.
There are way too many issues there to get caught up in with that post.
 
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