Strategy Chris Scott's coaching performance

[FredLeDeux]

Quality post mate.

Second that.

 

[winty]

I think he's done a pretty remarkable job when you consider we've lost arguably the best defender the game has ever seen in Scarlett, the best Geelong ruckman since Polly Farmer in Ottens, and a darn impressive tagger in Ling during his tenure, and he's tried offset those losses by promoting and playing 18 new players over the last 3 years, several of whom have made their way into our best 22.

All that, and we're still up at the pointy end of the season.

 

[dazbroncos]

Every team has injuries and it is how you deal with them that counts.

Yes had we had a fit Hawkins and Simpson we probably would have been far better and even won.

We just needed a KP to kick another 2-3 goals (Hawkins) and a ruckman to stop Freo from dominating the hit outs (Dawson).

But the key re coaching was the fact that Lyon did an excellent job not allowing us the corridor and we did not know what to do about this. We needed a plan B if we did not have the corridor and we did not and that is a coaching responsibility.

We hardly ever broke thru the corridor and got easy goals - and that is a trade mark of Geelong.

We were out coached and outplayed and our team is not as good as we thought. Still good but not great.

We need Simpson, Hawkins and Menzel in the team and fit to be a better side - and another good inside mid/tagger. We better hope GHS is that player otherwise we just do not have the players to be a Premiership contender IMO.

We missed to many gettable shots in the first 1/2.

If we made 3 of the set shots we had, this thread and several other like it would not exist.
I agree that CS was out coached on the day and we were out played but were also were not that far off it.

Go Catters

 

[Partridge]

Maybe Caddy as a tagger ? Not sure his decision making, foot and hand skills are good enough right now to be that useful in the team unless as a tagger when these things are not as important.

He has the body, the run and the aggression to be a possible tagger. Has he the concentration ?Only trying him out will tell.

Don't see Caddy as a tagger. If I had to choose someone right now it would be Guthrie. If not maybe Horlin-Smith. But they have to develop someone. It's a full time role and you need to develop into it - just like a key forward or key defender.

 

[Partridge]

Not sure about a pure tagger, but why doesn't Bartel ever play in the centre anymore? He's got clean hands, football smarts, big body and doesn't need elite speed to play there. It's strange they seem reluctant to use him in there anymore. He did win a Borwnlow as a midfielder afterall, and he hasn't gotten any slower since then.

Because he's not the same player. He's not good enough nor quick enough. When he has played there, he doesn't have the speed to catch the opposition if they have the ball. It's not 2007 anymore. Same goes for Corey and Kelly. People can ignore it all they want but that doesn't make it go away.

What's been hidden all year is that the club has preferred to play two midfielders as defenders at various times (Bartel and Corey), rather than play specialist defenders. That indicates that they may not be ready to make some tough calls.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Don't see Caddy as a tagger. If I had to choose someone right now it would be Guthrie. If not maybe Horlin-Smith. But they have to develop someone. It's a full time role and you need to develop into it - just like a key forward or key defender.

They tried Caddy as a tagger against Jones for a 1/4 in the Melbourne game; unsuccessfully, as he said afterwards, also making the amazing statement that it was the first time he had ever, here or at GCS, been asked to run with a player. What are they teaching them up there?
It looks like a non-issue anyway, this week.

 

[BotsMaster]

Our finals record against Ross Lyin is 2-3.

 

[manboob]

Obvious step 1: don't panic.
For all our faults and problems yesterday, we lost by 3 kicks, one of them a goal in dead time, and we had the same number of shots.
We can still do this.

Our list nor our game plan isn't ****ed.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Our list nor our game plan isn't ******.

Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe I don't know what you're saying.

 

[manboob]

Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe I don't know what you're saying.

It's the esoteric!

 

[year of the cat]

If we do happen to win the next 2 and face Freo again you would hope that Scott and the rest of the coaches may have learnt a few things from Saturday. There is no doubt that the loss of Hawkins, but also particularly Simpson, are massive. Personally I really doubt that we can cover them both and go on and win the flag now. I remember when Simpson went down thinking our flag chances may well have followed so stark was the change in our ability to win clearances when he was in the side.

What do we do? I think the MC have no choice but to be a little creative now. Maybe look at Thurlow for Enright? Consider a smaller, more mobile forward set up? One definite is the re-introduction of West back into the team. I also think that Horlin-Smith now just has to play to hopefully stem the clearances issues we have.

The loss of Enright is just massive now. If, as reports suggest, he is out for the remainder of the year, I think we are rooted. To lose our best ruck, best key forward and the best back flanker of the past 20 years is a massive hole to cover. I don't reckon we can unfortunately this time.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I think he's done a pretty remarkable job when you consider we've lost arguably the best defender the game has ever seen in Scarlett, the best Geelong ruckman since Polly Farmer in Ottens, and a darn impressive tagger in Ling during his tenure, and he's tried offset those losses by promoting and playing 18 new players over the last 3 years, several of whom have made their way into our best 22.

All that, and we're still up at the pointy end of the season.

I didn't have time to get back to this one Winty, but I thought that was a big call.
We've had honour-winners in
Newman - AA, dual Carji, AFL Hall of Fame
Blake - Carji
Mossop - Carji
King - AA, dual Carji
as well as some other very good performers in
Mitchell (very short career here, but partnered Farmer for WA to destroy Nicholls),
Flanigan
Bourke
Barnes

I don't say you're wrong, mind you, I just think it's a big call, and not beyond reasonable dispute.

 

[FredLeDeux]

It's the esoteric!

Well don't post after you've been drinking it.

 

[SpryCorpse]

Lyon had a fit first choice ruck division and full forward.
We didn't have either on the field.
I'd hardly call that being out-coached. Or coaching badly.

 

[Vdubs]

Bartel - Tagger?

Why not forward flanker, 2011 GF was ok.
He is a slack defender, too slow to tag, past it as a mid. We need a close checking defender to cover for him if he plays HB; Mackie IS better than Bartel in that role, and now Boris is out. Woe.
Let's put THunt there- quick, attacking, but can nullify an opponent.

 

[Vdubs]

seriously? our list is one of the strongest if not THE strongest. the problem we have is suffering injuries to key big men, not a lack of depth.
you can't easily replace no. 1 ruckmen and key forwards, and that is what we face.
you inject mcintosh or simpson and a fit hawkins into that game yesterday and you have a different result.

Balanced by a fading Bartel, Kelly, Corey, Pods, and inconsistent form from our developers.
Our list really is not that strong- results in our last 2 finals suggest we have improved by 1 point, going by loss margins.
We had THawk in last year,kicked under pressure to him, result zero goals.
Let's accept that there are other teams, and if anything, we are guilty ONLY of having overachieved this year in H & A results, giving us a false sense of superiority. September action has seen us failing consistently now in the past 2 seasons, and other results this weekend point to that trend not necessarily arresting next week because we want it to, or because we deserve to.

 

[Seeds]

What a joke of a thread, chris Scott is one of the best coaches in the AFL, if we had of kicked an extra sixteen points the op would probably have a thread up about how amazing chris Scott is.

He took a team which got absolutely ass whooped by collingwood 80 points down in the third quarter, lost Garry ablett the best player in the competition from the side, and turned that margin around 120 points in 2011. And you call that riding off the success of Thompson? I call it bloody good coaching! But of cause we lost yesterday by 15 points so we can't do anything but criticise him in here.

Last year we just weren't good enough, this year, everything besides yesterday has been exceptional, we beat hawthorn twice, Sydney twice, Fremantle, we beat all the top sides and finished second on the ladder, the game plan has looked very good all year and stood up when it counted against the best, we simply just had a shocker yesterday, I still have confidence given what we have shown to be able to produce that we can go all the way

I'm sure if we lose next week you will have a thread asking for chris Scott to be sacked or "discuss" the option of it.

How was Sandilands on the weekend? Do you still consider him a has been? You said we were going to smash them and they were ordinary. Either you were massively wrong or someone at the club has seriously stuffed up. Which is it?

 

[Seeds]

Chris Scott has been ordinary for 2 years now and is turning into a bit of a one trick pony like Scott.

He (or the Mc) have different rules for different players. Some get a million opportunities while others get basically none.
Lack of a tagger
Telling us centre clearances don't matter. One of the dumbest ploys ever
Running Hawkins into the ground this year to the point where he can't even jump or jog.

These are all horrible moves.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

You never write us off but we have been amazing from 2007 - 2011 and that's a huge span to be a powerhouse and grab 3 Flags.
With other teams coming into their prime and us losing several once in a generation players we were right to take the Scott pitch of 2014/15. To be top 4 in 2013 is truly amazing.
If we have Dawson and a fit Hawkins who the f*** knows what might have happened on Saturday.
We are still alive and will regroup - this awesome lineup will give it their all on Friday and they deserve our support.
Keep the faith people , we will give it everything and even if we come up short of a Flag we are still Geelong - the greatest team of all

 

[caitsith01]

What drives me nuts is that we continually let Lyon dictate terms. He decides to play basically a rolling flood, which means 80% of Fremantle players end up in our attacking 50.

There is no rule that says that in this scenario you have to play man on man and send 80% of your players into the attacking 50 too. There is no rule saying that you can only take shots from 20m out directly in front.

Why not -

1. Leave at least 1-2 loose defenders well behind the play.

2. Set up a zone outside 50, rather than putting all our guys in there.

3. Not bomb the ball high and long to an area containing 30 players.

In other words, why help Lyon flood our own attacking forward line? Why not take some shots from on the 50? Why not try to control the tempo and hold onto the ball? Why not make sure that our structures and our gameplan remain intact, instead of letting Lyon decide what our structure and gameplan will be?

Lyon's rolling flood can backfire. With proper defensive structures, it means that Freo has nothing to kick to when they do win possession, and have to run themselves ragged trying to create options.

 

[kickazz]

I should also add that Scott needed to change the way we played in the second half yesterday. We should have adopted the Hawthorn model of chipping it around and waiting for a leading option to present itself. This would have been much better than quickly playing on, handballing to someone under pressure and then bombing it into the forward 50. It's of a concern that we don't have a backup plan for sides like Freo, that's for sure.

Indeed this is what we did in the H&A against them this year. Often even kicking backwards, and really drwaing their player out of our forward half, making room for leads.

 

[Catgirl]

Chris Scott has been ordinary for 2 years now and is turning into a bit of a one trick pony like Scott.

In what world is finishing 2nd on the ladder ordinary? PULL YOUR HEAD IN.

He (or the Mc) have different rules for different players. Some get a million opportunities while others get basically none.

Written proof of these "rules", thanks. Go on. You seem so certain these rules exist that Scotty MUST have put it in a statement somewhere.

Lack of a tagger

And who do you suggest tags? Taylor Hunt has been about as useful as a white pencil.

Telling us centre clearances don't matter.

Proof or it didn't happen.

I've heard him say he tried to create a gameplan that softened the blow of losing the clearances (which would mean he thinks that they are very important), never heard him say they don't matter though.

I'm waiting.

One of the dumbest ploys ever
Running Hawkins into the ground this year to the point where he can't even jump or jog.

That was up to the other members of the MC as much as him.

And Hawkins is a grown man. He can tell the coach if he's fit to play or not, surely!

 

[hotchips81]

As

I didnt watch the game as i was working, but why the heck was chappy the sub in his 250th.

As a dockers supporter I was pretty happy that Chapman was the starting sub.

I would've also thought that more could have been done to isolate Johnson inside 50 when Crowley went to him.

 

[Seeds]

In what world is finishing 2nd on the ladder ordinary? PULL YOUR HEAD IN.


Written proof of these "rules", thanks. Go on. You seem so certain these rules exist that Scotty MUST have put it in a statement somewhere.


And who do you suggest tags? Taylor Hunt has been about as useful as a white pencil.


Proof or it didn't happen.

I've heard him say he tried to create a gameplan that softened the blow of losing the clearances (which would mean he thinks that they are very important), never heard him say they don't matter though.

I'm waiting.


That was up to the other members of the MC as much as him.

And Hawkins is a grown man. He can tell the coach if he's fit to play or not, surely!

Your response seems to be agreeing with me but simply saying that Scott is not necessarily to blame, but its the other coaches fault or the MC.

Except for the tagging question. The coaching staff should of trained up a player to be a good tagger. If Hunt wasn't good enough then it should of been someone else. If they haven't done that then it is there failure. Ironically they do appear to have someone capapble. Horlin Smith. But he is on the bad list so he doesn't get any chances. Unlike T.Hunt, Murdoch et al.

 

[bulletproof]

As i posted in another thread, I think he has done a great job this year.

The one thing I would be really critical of with the club this year, is the handling of Hawkins. I refuse to believe he would not have benefited from 6-weeks off. I think the medical staff have handled this injury woefully and given he is our most important player, that is just not good enough.

Related to that, the Menzel situation has been poorly managed as well. He did 4 knees in 2.5 years. That should not even be possible, at some point, probably after the second one, he should have been tipped out for 12-months.

A lot of injuries, re-occur more generally, so I am beginning to have my doubts about this facet of the club.