Confirmed Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

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What proven A grade talent?
A-grade talent has consistent elite years of football.
Yarran hasn't.
Just saying (last year particularly) he's certainly demonstrated that he has the talent and capacity to be an A grader but hasn't been consistent enough to be considered an A grader. Watch his highlights and see for yourself. His linebreaking ability, decision making and precision kicking is what makes him elite.
 

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AFL trade radio summed it up perfectly. Richmonds first is way to high for Yarran, and Richmonds 2nd is way to low. Unless Lennon is changing clubs, I cant see Richmond being able to get a pick to satisfy Carlton.

I am actually leaning towards Yarran @ Carlton next season.
This is not an option

Connors said this morning that Yarran will stand out of football for a year if he isn't traded to Richmond.
 
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Do you know that you can type as slow as you want but you would be wasting your own time?
Type as slow as you want buddy.
Shit comes out at many different speeds.
I do know I am wasting my time having a discussion with you. You have a line and you stick to it. Still teachers continue to teach despite knowing they are wasting their time with some students.
 
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This is not an option

Connors said this morning that Yarran will stand out of football for a year if he isn't traded to Richmond.
Then Carlton get him out of the salary cap. Thats a win for Carlton. As he would be walking out on a contract, I doubt he would be allowed to play any level of Football next year. Personally would call that a win for Carlton.

You need to have a spine in the trading game, so that you dont get your club in the position that brisbane was in a couple of years ago.
 

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Just saying (last year particularly) he's certainly demonstrated that he has the talent and capacity to be an A grader but hasn't been consistent enough to be considered an A grader. Watch his highlights and see for yourself. His linebreaking ability, decision making and precision kicking is what makes him elite.
He has elite trates but cant put it all together for a period of time.
He is worth a pick in the mid 20s. Thats the problem
 

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Then Carlton get him out of the salary cap. Thats a win for Carlton. As he would be walking out on a contract, I doubt he would be allowed to play any level of Football next year. Personally would call that a win for Carlton.

You need to have a spine in the trading game, so that you dont get your club in the position that brisbane was in a couple of years ago.
Exactly.

If Chris is really willing to give up $350-$400 next season to sit on the sidelines then so be it.
 

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Exactly.

If Chris is really willing to give up $350-$400 next season to sit on the sidelines then so be it.
Not sure you know how the rules work.

What will happen in this instance is that hes salary will be included in your salary cap.

Cant be bothered educating you, but you should look it up.
 
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Not sure you know how the rules work.

What will happen in this instance is that hes salary will be included in your salary cap.

Cant be bothered educating you, but you should look it up.
If he effectively quits the club next year, pretty sure we can release him from his contract without paying him and that is what blueboy25 was suggesting. Whether the money is still included in our cap or not is beside the point.
 

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If he effectively quits the club next year, pretty sure we can release him from his contract without paying him and that is what blueboy25 was suggesting. Whether the money is still included in our cap or not is beside the point.
It isn't beside the point at all, but again, you should educate yourself on that matter. The money will be included in Carlton's salary cap.

If he quits and is essentially delisted, he will be added onto the list as a delisted free agent and Carlton gets nothing for him.
 

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Exactly.

If Chris is really willing to give up $350-$400 next season to sit on the sidelines then so be it.

That's right and Yarran needs to understand its a privilege to work for the AFL league.

If he wants to squander his pay packet so be it. Not worth chasing by anyone.

He has no billionaire benefactor does he?
 
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If he effectively quits the club next year, pretty sure we can release him from his contract without paying him and that is what blueboy25 was suggesting. Whether the money is still included in our cap or not is beside the point.
It wont be in the cap. If he walked out on a contract, you wouldn't need to pay him. Therefore, money you dont spend cant be under the salary cap. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure.
 
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It wont be in the cap. If he walked out on a contract, you wouldn't need to pay him. Therefore, money you dont spend cant be under the salary cap. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure.
Probably doesn't matter. Once the lists are finalised the salary cap is locked in place. If we went over due to injuries, we could probably get consideration for a Yarran walk out as far as cap relief. Physically we wouldn't have to honour a contract he broke. We just can't let him walk away before list finalisation and delist him or he can walk to Richmond.
 

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blaisee said:
It isn't beside the point at all, but again, you should educate yourself on that matter. The money will be included in Carlton's salary cap.

If he quits and is essentially delisted, he will be added onto the list as a delisted free agent and Carlton gets nothing for him.
Yarran is effectively employed by the league not CFC. If he dumps his contract the league may well ban him from all league clubs for breach of contract to maintain the integrity of the comp to ensure the fans keep watching the game, Rupert , AFL HQ, the fans and players keep getting paid.

Otherwise all players walk when they want and fans watch because they are interested in who wants to do the next Lebron move?
 

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Then Carlton get him out of the salary cap. Thats a win for Carlton. As he would be walking out on a contract, I doubt he would be allowed to play any level of Football next year. Personally would call that a win for Carlton.

You need to have a spine in the trading game, so that you dont get your club in the position that brisbane was in a couple of years ago.
I doubt he would not get a multi year suspension otherwise the next Lockett or Lebron pulls the same stunt for their own interests compromising the competition.

If the competition is compromised AFL HQ loses money with Rupert and club officials and players go back to 9-5 jobs.

There is no restraint of trade because effectively players play for the league and Yarran can play for the WAFL, SAFL or anywhere else.
 
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Don't think we'd need to include our third to be honest. Your suggest trade is a late second round pick + a small pick upgrade late in the second round. No thanks.
Tigers have #31, would back their pick next year to be around #34 for #39 and Yarran, places his value at #28. A nothing trade for us.
 

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In fairness he's worth more then pick #31, but Richmond don't have a pick in the low 20's to reach a happy medium.

He isn't worth pick #12 - just because they value him there doesn't make it so in reality. If Carlton won't take the 2nd round pick that's fine. They can have him in the VFL for a whole year or have him not playing at all and watch his value plummet further.

Even though he's contracted, in this situation Richmond is undoubtedly in the stronger position as Carlton's main card (refusing to trade and keeping him for another year) will hurt them just as much as accepting what they deem to be a below par offer. The fact that Yarran's come out and said he wants to play for Richmond puts us in an even stronger position as no other club will offer anything to try and get him, thereby giving Carlton no other offer to leverage against us.

Say a deal doesn't get done and Yarran plays no senior football next year before hitting FA. What do you think the AFL's compensation pick will be for a guy who hasn't even strung 2 solid season's of football together? Probably lower then the 2nd round pick Richmond are currently offering.

For these reasons I think Carlton will wait until the last minute possible then accept Richmond's current offer. There's absolutely no reason for us to offer anything more. If Cartlon want to play their main card and shoot themselves in the foot that's fine, we can just get him a year later as a FA.
 

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In fairness he's worth more then pick #31, but Richmond don't have a pick in the low 20's to reach a happy medium.

He isn't worth pick #12 - just because they value him there doesn't make it so in reality. If Carlton won't take the 2nd round pick that's fine. They can have him in the VFL for a whole year or have him not playing at all and watch his value plummet further.

Even though he's contracted, in this situation Richmond is undoubtedly in the stronger position as Carlton's main card (refusing to trade and keeping him for another year) will hurt them just as much as accepting what they deem to be a below par offer. The fact that Yarran's come out and said he wants to play for Richmond puts us in an even stronger position as no other club will offer anything to try and get him, thereby giving Carlton no other offer to leverage against us.

Say a deal doesn't get done and Yarran plays no senior football next year before hitting FA. What do you think the AFL's compensation pick will be for a guy who hasn't even strung 2 solid season's of football together? Probably lower then the 2nd round pick Richmond are currently offering.

For these reasons I think Carlton will wait until the last minute possible then accept Richmond's current offer. There's absolutely no reason for us to offer anything more. If Cartlon want to play their main card and shoot themselves in the foot that's fine, we can just get him a year later as a FA.
Richmond desperately need an off season recruit after their failure to attract any top end talent last year and declaration that they would aggressively use their so called war chest this year (and failure to land any of the big names on offer this off season as well). Confident you guys will pay overs.

Pick 12 for 20 and Yarran. Who knows, Lennon hasn't signed yet either ;).
 

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Richmond desperately need an off season recruit after their failure to attract any top end talent last year and declaration that they would aggressively use their so called war chest this year (and failure to land any of the big names on offer this off season as well). Confident you guys will pay overs.

Pick 12 for 20 and Yarran. Who knows, Lennon hasn't signed yet either ;).
Cartlon's desperate need to get rid of Yarran far outweighs our need to recruit him.

Confident we'll pay overs to a club who will be burned if they don't accept even a moderate trade offer? Think again.
 
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