Confirmed Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

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Kreuzer, Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy, Cripps, Docherty, Buckley locked away

Jamison, Simpson, Walker, Boekhorst, Graham, Everitt, Casboult, Tuohy, Jaksch, Curnow, Bell also locked away.

Unfortunately we don't have a bonafide CHB (Weitering) Full Forward, outside run, and small forward..but nucleus of squad should hold us up with the right coach and playing style that suits the players. :thumbsu:
Those highlighted may be considered "guns"....Jamo is there because he consistently towels up Jack. I believe Simpson has always been chronically underrated, love him.

Thomas is gone...gone.

Couple of the players there I love, and would love to have, but are not "guns", they are solid citizens. Tuohy, Docherty would take straight away.

The rest, meh. (And I could say the same about plenty of our mob)


Isn't Bell going to QLD?
 

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A late first rounder seems fair.

Rather lose Yarran for nothing then take your 2nd round pick.

Rather keep him anyway, Yarran will probably help take you deep into the finals providing your captain doesn't go missing again, something I don't want to see happen.
So you are saying that you would rather give up a Bailey Rice "on Principle"? A late 2nd round pick is unders supposedly (I really don't think he is a fit for the Tigers at all) but if you had to take something you would take that pick to help get your father/son selections.
 

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So you are saying that you would rather give up a Bailey Rice "on Principle"? A late 2nd round pick is unders supposedly (I really don't think he is a fit for the Tigers at all) but if you had to take something you would take that pick to help get your father/son selections.
Good point I forgot about that. Some say we may have to use our 2nd round pick for him, some say he will nominate the saints.

I guess I would rather have that pick to draft Rice then get nothing, but I still will cry myself to sleep if Yarran tears it up for you guys.
 

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He was pick 12 in the draft, he started 2014 slowly and played sub a few times due to needing to improve he's tank as he missed pre season, while in 2015 he played the last half of the year and showed why he was rated getting a rising star nomination and playing well has done nothing to decrease his value since drafted
Ok. How do you explain O'Rourke a 2nd pick getting traded for pick 19?His output in his 2nd year is pretty much on par with Lennon. Yet his value drops to end of 1st round and Lennon's goes up almost.
I would of thought historically his value would of dropped not heaps but to roughly end of 1st round.
Just a tad puzzled why that would not be the case.
 

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Kreuzer, Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy, Cripps, Docherty, Buckley locked away

Jamison, Simpson, Walker, Boekhorst, Graham, Everitt, Casboult, Tuohy, Jaksch, Curnow, Bell also locked away.

Unfortunately we don't have a bonafide CHB (Weitering) Full Forward, outside run, and small forward..but nucleus of squad should hold us up with the right coach and playing style that suits the players. :thumbsu:
Gee, so nearly your whole team are 'big guns'. And all you got was a wooden spoon?

The blues are coming. Watch out!
 
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All this talk of yarran being worth pick 15-20. Why don't tigers offer Blues there 2016 1st rounder which will no doubt be if you ask a tigers supporter in the 15-18 range. Back yourself in Tigers, you want him to improve your club then surely you'll fnish top 4 next season. What could possibly go wrong.......
 

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Aparently this is a weak draft, we'd probably recruit a kid who won't make it. Also Yarran will help take you further in the finals, I'd be crying myself to sleep if Yarran plays he's best football for you guys.
It is NOT a week draft, but a draft that has good players deeper rather than some stand outs up to pick 10

So what do you call all the other drafts where Gold Coast and Western Sydney had most of the top 10 picks??? Remove those players from those drafts and you have a worse draft selection for the rest of the sides. This draft is better than those drafts as finally there is not one team getting the best under 16 and 17 year olds...

Don't be fooled
 

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All this talk of yarran being worth pick 15-20. Why don't tigers offer Blues there 2016 1st rounder which will no doubt be if you ask a tigers supporter in the 15-18 range. Back yourself in Tigers, you want him to improve your club then surely you'll fnish top 4 next season. What could possibly go wrong.......
That we get an inconsistent player as he has been at the Blues

Yes at his best he is very good and possibly worth a late first rounder, but he has been more of an average player than a brilliant one over his career and his output over his career values him at between 19-28 depending on which club you support

Be realistic here, you do not draft a player who has had 6 years in the system on potential, potential that he will improve and play blinders most games. He has had 6 years to do that and has failed. What makes you or any one else sure he will rip most games because he goes to a new side?
 

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I'd say pick 18 would be the minimum I would personally accept for him.

I think hes value is around the pick 15-18 mark

Carlton would probably accept pick 20 if no one else offered better, and its certainly more realistic then pick 28 or whatever your 2nd rounder is.
I don't think his value is 12, & 31 clearly won't get the job done so maybe it will be something like Yarran & 20 for 12?
 
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That we get an inconsistent player as he has been at the Blues

Yes at his best he is very good and possibly worth a late first rounder, but he has been more of an average player than a brilliant one over his career and his output over his career values him at between 19-28 depending on which club you support

Be realistic here, you do not draft a player who has had 6 years in the system on potential, potential that he will improve and play blinders most games. He has had 6 years to do that and has failed. What makes you or any one else sure he will rip most games because he goes to a new side?
Richmond were in his ear during the year knowing full well he was contracted, obviously showing their want to bring him over. They must rate him highly yet your telling me he has failed over his career and because of this he is only rated 19-28. Why would Richmond want a player that in your eyes over 6 years of senor AFL is rated as a failure? A club that itself has failed in finals and at the trade table in recent years want to bring in a failure named Yarran to continue the failed cycle that they created.

As Mckay said "he's worth a 1st rounder". I'm sure theres probably plenty of angles that can get this deal done so tigers and blues both walk away happy.
 

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I don't think his value is 12, & 31 clearly won't get the job done so maybe it will be something like Yarran & 20 for 12?
With the draft calculater that puts Yarrans value at 43

Yarran and 56 for 12 puts him at 16 or Yarran 38 puts him at 24.

It's definately a tricky trade
 

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Richmond were in his ear during the year knowing full well he was contracted, obviously showing their want to bring him over. They must rate him highly yet your telling me he has failed over his career and because of this he is only rated 19-28. Why would Richmond want a player that in your eyes over 6 years of senor AFL is rated as a failure? A club that itself has failed in finals and at the trade table in recent years want to bring in a failure named Yarran to continue the failed cycle that they created.

As Mckay said "he's worth a 1st rounder". I'm sure theres probably plenty of angles that can get this deal done so tigers and blues both walk away happy.
your kidding yourself if you think clubs dont talk to managers, its out of their hands what the manager does with that but then again, theres the unwritten rules about that stuff.

Yarran learnt we talked and checked out, that isnt on us - all clubs talk to managers a year or even 2 out from being out of contract
 

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Aparently this is a weak draft, we'd probably recruit a kid who won't make it. Also Yarran will help take you further in the finals, I'd be crying myself to sleep if Yarran plays he's best football for you guys.
Okay, so I've heard the "weak draft" argument a hundred times, that's fine. Obviously not much merit in that argument, you have got the master SOS back at the helm so there's no excuses there for your picks.

But see the problem is, your comment was "I'd rather lose Yarran for NOTHING than get a 2nd round pick this year and see him in Richmond colors in 2016"

So your logic isn't even coming from the point of view of trying to hold out for something better in relation to picks, your logic is purely and simply that you'd rather deny Yarran an extra year at Punt Road, and you'd happily sacrifice the chance to recruit a youngster to do so.

In other words, you'd cut the knees out from under your own club's rebuild, simply to spite Richmond. :oops:

I genuinely feel bad for you buddy, there's a few teams I hate in the AFL, but I wouldn't throw my own club under the bus to spite even my most hated and loathed one. :$:drunk:
 

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If Yarran stays at Carlton in 2016, he'll get a fair amount of rest on the sidelines, because he won't want any part of playing for Carlton.

His value will decrease to a 3rd or possibly 4th round compensation pick, because he will be a bigger risk for us to take, and we will offer him less money as a result, which means the tier he's under for compo will go down.

As of 2017, regardless of where he is in 2016, Chris Yarran will be a Richmond FC footballer, so the question is very simple; are we happy to wait the extra year to get him for free, or do we give Carlton a 2nd round pick now?

I'm happy to give Carlton a 2nd round pick to get him a year early, but quite honestly, the RFC are not going to budge on that, because we aren't the ones who will be stuck with a disgruntled player if no deal occurs.

It's such basic and simple logic for Carlton to take their 2nd round pick and run with it, and help their rebuild. But if they don't wanna do it, that's no skin off the RFC's back, we're happy to wait the extra year, provided Carlton is happy to probably get less than that aforementioned 2nd round pick in a compo selection. :)

Your move Bluebaggers! :thumbsu:
One question for you, why would yarran move to play for richmond on 250k a year when carlton are offering 400k a year to hold onto him? Take your time no rush
 
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your kidding yourself if you think clubs dont talk to managers, its out of their hands what the manager does with that but then again, theres the unwritten rules about that stuff.

Yarran learnt we talked and checked out, that isnt on us - all clubs talk to managers a year or even 2 out from being out of contract
You lost me here. Then you wasted some valuable keyboard time.
 

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Richmond were in his ear during the year knowing full well he was contracted, obviously showing their want to bring him over. They must rate him highly yet your telling me he has failed over his career and because of this he is only rated 19-28. Why would Richmond want a player that in your eyes over 6 years of senor AFL is rated as a failure? A club that itself has failed in finals and at the trade table in recent years want to bring in a failure named Yarran to continue the failed cycle that they created.

As Mckay said "he's worth a 1st rounder". I'm sure theres probably plenty of angles that can get this deal done so tigers and blues both walk away happy.
They do want him, and they do rate him BUT not rated/worth a 1st rounder

He is averaging 4.7 over his career, that is NOT worth a 1st rounder even if he has shown some dash and played a few great games. Overall his output has been average ==> http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/114028/Chris-YARRAN


Betts rates higher than him, yet CFC valued him less!!!

"The goalsneak led the AFL in score assists from 2009-2013 and ranked fifth for scoreboard impact in that time, but Carlton chiefs refused to budge. Instead, they chose to fork out $2.8 million over four years to lure Dale Thomas from Collingwood, but insiders insisted the club could have afforded both."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...350887824?sv=a5829cb56ec2ec770980904ea921d07e

All of a sudden the better impact player wasn't rated yet the more inconsistent player is all of a sudden worth a 1st rounder!??? get realistic here

And why do we want a him you ask?

Well we hope we can get him over and improve his consistency, but that is a HUGE risk on a player that has played with the same consistency over 6 years

Simple as that
 

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Lol so much passion.

Go hug your loved ones. It's ok. He's no world beater.
It is not passion it is logic, you don't give contracted players an easy out clause just because they see life easier over the fence.

I will fully support wasting a list spot on yarran to play vfl in 2016 if whoever wants him doesn't pony up something that actually has more uses then a piece of toilet paper (In case you were wondering, your 2nd rounder < Toilet Paper). Sometimes you just have to send a message to the playing group that contracts mean something and if you want to walk out on them you aren't going where you want to go.

If all you put on the table is your 2nd round pick you can take it to the bank right now, a trade will not be completed (FACT). In all likelihood, like Bennell, Treloar, etc he will end up at another club while the tigers are still busy trying to buy gold with horse manure.
 

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If Silvani let's Yarran go for anything less than a 1st rounder even a low at that there'll be hell .
He will be held accountable by members.
Yarran is a quality player and that's the reason why RFC is salivating at getting him on the cheap. He'll have an immediate positive impact on their list.
Silvani will not hand over a playe of his caliber for a 2nd rounder.
RFC have a young talent uncontracted player that's dissatisfied who would be acceptable compensation.
Let's just see how this pans out.
CFC are not compelled to release Yarran for undervalue , next week will be interesting.
 

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One question for you, why would yarran move to play for richmond on 250k a year when carlton are offering 400k a year to hold onto him? Take your time no rush
So are you suggesting that if Yarran stayed at Carlton and was playing VFL in 2016, that Carlton would then, at the end of 2016, offer Yarran a new deal for 400k per year to continue to retain him beyond 2016?

I'm telling you right now, if Carlton held onto Yarran and he was Northern Blues fodder in 2016, there's no way that clubs would be coming to him at the end of 2016 and offering him much more than a mature rookie spot on their list, and there's DEFINITELY no way that Carlton would be offering the type of contract that would entice the bloke to stay put post-2016 either.

In other words, your question is irrelevant, because it's not realistic.

This situation would be different if Richmond was trying to lure Yarran away, and he was torn between staying or going. But he's not, Yarran's made up his mind that he wants to leave, contract or no contract, and as frustrating as that might be for Carlton, he's nominated the Tigers as his preferred destination.

This situation would also be different if there were multiple suitors for Yarran (which at this stage there aren't), or if Yarran had said "hey guys trade me anywhere I don't care" (which he hasn't).

Carlton don't HAVE to trade him, you're absolutely right. But they're shooting themselves in the foot if they go down that path, because Richmond is not going to budge on giving more than a 2nd round.

And that's not because we don't think Yarran's not worth it (at his best, he probably is worth a 1st round pick), it's simply because of the context of his situation at Carlton.

His value is at an all time low right now, and if you let the rot set in further, the poor bloke might not even find a club at the end of 2016 that's willing to take him, because he'd have fallen so far behind the top tier level of footy by not playing regular AFL, and because he'll be approaching 26 by then as well, so his list of suitors becomes thinner and thinner.
 
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They do want him, and they do rate him BUT not rated/worth a 1st rounder

He is averaging 4.7 over his career, that is NOT worth a 1st rounder even if he has shown some dash and played a few great games. Overall his output has been average ==> http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/114028/Chris-YARRAN


Betts rates higher than him, yet CFC valued him less!!!

"The goalsneak led the AFL in score assists from 2009-2013 and ranked fifth for scoreboard impact in that time, but Carlton chiefs refused to budge. Instead, they chose to fork out $2.8 million over four years to lure Dale Thomas from Collingwood, but insiders insisted the club could have afforded both."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...350887824?sv=a5829cb56ec2ec770980904ea921d07e

All of a sudden the better impact player wasn't rated yet the more inconsistent player is all of a sudden worth a 1st rounder!??? get realistic here

And why do we want a him you ask?

Well we hope we can get him over and improve his consistency, but that is a HUGE risk on a player that has played with the same consistency over 6 years

Simple as that
The goal posts move regularly, FA was fresh, it has evolved, We would no doubt match Betts offer if he was leaving this season.

Your right yarran is not worth a 1st rounder on performance. The word is he's worth more than 31 but not as high as 18. So where does his value lie? Given he's contracted, any club wanting to remove him from Carlton and put him on their books would have to pay a little over the true market value of yarran 2015.
Obviously the Tigers want him which is where I will direct you back to my original post of offering up 2016 first rounder which should be 15-18 meaning you get him for free this year and don't pay for him until the 2016 season is complete which by then you may feel as though you got a bargain or perhaps even paid true market value for him after all. Also remembering that virtually all carlton players to leave the club in the last couple of years have excelled at their new club.
 
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If Silvani let's Yarran go for anything less than a 1st rounder even a low at that there'll be hell .
He will be held accountable by members.
Yarran is a quality player and that's the reason why RFC is salivating at getting him on the cheap. He'll have an immediate positive impact on their list.
Silvani will not hand over a playe of his caliber for a 2nd rounder.
RFC have a young talent uncontracted player that's dissatisfied who would be acceptable compensation.
Let's just see how this pans out.
CFC are not compelled to release Yarran for undervalue , next week will be interesting.
Hw would easily take 19, which is not a first rounder. He wouldn't blink twice. A high first rounder 19-25 I think Carlton would take no problems. THere may be an exchange of late picks but....
 
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