Confirmed Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

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Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon. :)
 

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Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon. :)
Let me know when you have Ben's signature on the dotted line.
 

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So are you suggesting that if Yarran stayed at Carlton and was playing VFL in 2016, that Carlton would then, at the end of 2016, offer Yarran a new deal for 400k per year to continue to retain him beyond 2016?

I'm telling you right now, if Carlton held onto Yarran and he was Northern Blues fodder in 2016, there's no way that clubs would be coming to him at the end of 2016 and offering him much more than a mature rookie spot on their list, and there's DEFINITELY no way that Carlton would be offering the type of contract that would entice the bloke to stay put post-2016 either.

In other words, your question is irrelevant, because it's not realistic.

This situation would be different if Richmond was trying to lure Yarran away, and he was torn between staying or going. But he's not, Yarran's made up his mind that he wants to leave, contract or no contract, and as frustrating as that might be for Carlton, he's nominated the Tigers as his preferred destination.

This situation would also be different if there were multiple suitors for Yarran (which at this stage there aren't), or if Yarran had said "hey guys trade me anywhere I don't care" (which he hasn't).

Carlton don't HAVE to trade him, you're absolutely right. But they're shooting themselves in the foot if they go down that path, because Richmond is not going to budge on giving more than a 2nd round.

And that's not because we don't think Yarran's not worth it (at his best, he probably is worth a 1st round pick), it's simply because of the context of his situation at Carlton.

His value is at an all time low right now, and if you let the rot set in further, the poor bloke might not even find a club at the end of 2016 that's willing to take him, because he'd have fallen so far behind the top tier level of footy by not playing regular AFL, and because he'll be approaching 26 by then as well, so his list of suitors becomes thinner and thinner.
You don't seem to understand that Yarran will be a restricted free agent next year, without tabling an offer you would expect it to at least remain the same and yarran himself would certainly be asking the question if/when other offers come in at 250k.

But the real point here is that why would Yarran himself sulk it up in the VFL rather then bust his balls to impress his next club so that next contract does set him up for life? He won't need encouragement from Carlton to perform this coming year as he will be playing for a contract value. This is where the whole thing goes balls up for tigers fans, all this talk about sulking it up and setting a bad example is nonsense because Yarran himself can't afford to drop potentially 750k off his next contract value.

At the end of the day he will be forced to play and play well which will make our contract offer at least match his current one and his free agency value net us pick 19 or 20-24 depending on finishing position, all of which are in a stronger draft and better picks then richmond are offering.
 

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If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.
 

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It is not passion it is logic, you don't give contracted players an easy out clause just because they see life easier over the fence.

I will fully support wasting a list spot on yarran to play vfl in 2016 if whoever wants him doesn't pony up something that actually has more uses then a piece of toilet paper (In case you were wondering, your 2nd rounder < Toilet Paper). Sometimes you just have to send a message to the playing group that contracts mean something and if you want to walk out on them you aren't going where you want to go.

If all you put on the table is your 2nd round pick you can take it to the bank right now, a trade will not be completed (FACT). In all likelihood, like Bennell, Treloar, etc he will end up at another club while the tigers are still busy trying to buy gold with horse manure.
I love this tough guy approach.

Modern football has passed these ancient tactics by yet the clubs like Carlton and Essendon keep living it. We paid overs for Hampson who I think will still come good, we paid unders for Grigg who's been great for us. It's all relative.

Fact is he's walking out cause the club is a shambles. Hes seen the club get rid of some very good footballers and tumble down that ladder. Whilst his mates go on and dominate.

Contracts are a two way street. When clubs don't honour it, bit rich demanding players do.

Anyway a source inside your club says its a done deal. Our best second rounder gets it done. We will have to wait and see I suppose. Who knows with these sources hey, yep he's employed but how much does he truly know?

I say enjoy the month ahead and promises of getting better, it's the best time of the footballing year for clubs who don't achieve the ultimate.
 
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If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.
Hahahahaha. Astbury and your first for Redden and Yarran???? I have seen everything in this thread.
 

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I love this tough guy approach.

Modern football has passed these ancient tactics by yet the clubs like Carlton and Essendon keep living it. We paid overs for Hampson who I think will still come good, we paid unders for Grigg who's been great for us. It's all relative.

Fact is he's walking out cause the club is a shambles. Hes seen the club get rid of some very good footballers and tumble down that ladder. Whilst his mates go on and dominate.

Contracts are a two way street. When clubs don't honour it, bit rich demanding players do.

Anyway a source inside your club says its a done deal. Our best second rounder gets it done. We will have to wait and see I suppose. Who knows with these sources hey, yep he's employed but how much does he truly know?

I say enjoy the month ahead and promises of getting better, it's the best time of the footballing year for clubs who don't achieve the ultimate.
When has a club ever sacked a player mid-contract?

You don't have sources, so please stop sprouting nonsense
 

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If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.
Why in the world would we trade yarran for a 8 pick upgrade? Your trade wouldn't even make it past your own club debate before being laughed at
 

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Hahahahaha. Astbury and your first for Redden and Yarran???? I have seen everything in this thread.
Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?
 

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Hw would easily tay 19, which is not a first rounder. He wouldn't blink twice. A high first rounder 19-25 I think Carlton would take no problems. THere may be an exchange of late picks but....
Respectfully, Yarran I do not see as a need. Rather he would be nice to have. He would not be critical which is why getting Yarran next year in 2016 should not be a problem.
 

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If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.
So we give up a contracted Redden for a second round pick. That's not going to happen. We can get Adelaide's pick 13 for Redden.
 

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Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?
Because he is FA in 2016. Eg its too much for Redden.

How about Redden and Yarran in 2016? What is the problem with this?
 

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If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.
In essence Yarran and pick 20 don't = pick 12.
 
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Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?
FACT: Redden's preferred destination is West Coast Eagles. He stated that for a fact!

From an outsiders perspective:

Redden: pick 15 to 25
Yarran: 18 to 25
Astbury: 30+

So from a richmond perspective, you make out like bandits. Brisbane get done with a pineapple, and Carlton get a fair trade.

PS. Redden is from South Australia :p get your FACTS straight maybe next time
 

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Why in the world would we trade yarran for a 8 pick upgrade? Your trade wouldn't even make it past your own club debate before being laughed at
If there was ever any deal done involving Richmond's 1st rounder, Carlton's 2nd rounder would be involved as well mate.

Yarran + Carl 2nd rounder for Rich's 1st and 3rd rounder perhaps?

Either way, you sneaky little critters simply aren't getting a pure "player for pick" swap, you will be giving us picks back if we're parting with a 1st rounder.
 

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When has a club ever sacked a player mid-contract?

You don't have sources, so please stop sprouting nonsense
Ummmmm... A quick google and you'll find these examples.

"The Blues terminated Bootsma’s contract after discussions with his manager and the AFL Players’ Association."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-on-social-media/story-fni5f5nx-1226941559031


"MELBOURNE has delisted injury-plagued midfielder Michael Evans, even though he has one year remaining on his contract."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/evans-in-a-pickle
 
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Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon. :)
Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?
Think you may have got this FACT wrong.
 

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FACT: Redden's preferred destination is West Coast Eagles. He stated that for a fact!

From an outsiders perspective:

Redden: pick 15 to 25
Yarran: 18 to 25
Astbury: 30+

So from a richmond perspective, you make out like bandits. Brisbane get done with a pineapple, and Carlton get a fair trade.

PS. Redden is from South Australia :p get your FACTS straight maybe next time
Ah okay that's fair enough, I was wrong about Redden there, I honestly thought he was Victorian. :cry: I'll cop my whack for that one! :p

Still, it was just an example of a trade anyway, my real point was that Carlton aren't getting a 1st rounder for Yarran unless there's a 3rd party involved somehow.
 

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Think you may have got this FACT wrong.
I did get Redden's home state wrong, my bad! :drunk::drunk::drunk:

But as I said, it was only an example of a trade idea that would get Carlton their 1st rounder for Yarran, that was its' main purpose.

Yarran won't get a 1st round pick from any club in a 1 on 1 trade, given the context of his circumstances at Carlton, and that one IS a fact! :thumbsu::D
 
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If there was ever any deal done involving Richmond's 1st rounder, Carlton's 2nd rounder would be involved as well mate.

Yarran + Carl 2nd rounder for Rich's 1st and 3rd rounder perhaps?

Either way, you sneaky little critters simply aren't getting a pure "player for pick" swap, you will be giving us picks back if we're parting with a 1st rounder.
You can do better.........
Include Lennon in your next trade scenario please
 
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