Confirmed Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

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Plenty of players have said they'd quit and then returned once a suitable trade hadn't been found.

Hell, Dustin Martin was supposed to be gone but was persuaded to stay at the club. Ryan O'Keefe 'quit' the Swans for a few days.

If we can't find a decent trade, I reckon Bolton will get in his ear.
 

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I'm reiterating that Richmond won't be the only team wanting to sign him.
Based on what?

Have I ever denied a club will have to willingly part with a first-rounder?
No. But you keep insisting he's 'worth a first-rounder' without acknowledging that a club actually needs to be willing to part with a first-rounder for that to be the case.

We simply won't trade him if we don't get a good deal.
Well, that doesn't chime with Yarran's comments.
 

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He's worth whatever Carlton is willing to let him go for
Incorrect.

The buyer determines market value, not the seller.

If I draw a picture and put it on e-bay asking for $1 million, does that mean it's worth $1 million? Just because that's the price I've decided I'm willing to sell it for?

No. The value is determined by the price at which someone is willing to buy it ie. what a buyer is willing to give up in return.
 
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Based on what?

No. But you keep insisting he's 'worth a first-rounder' without acknowledging that a club actually needs to be willing to part with a first-rounder for that to be the case.

Well, that doesn't chime with Yarran's comments.
Based on the fact that he's a talented player and he's going to generate interest elsewhere.

Here's your acknowledgement.

Yarran can be as strong in his comments as he'd like. If we're unsatisfied, we won't be bent over.
 

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Based on the fact that he's a talented player and he's going to generate interest elsewhere.
So guesswork.

Yarran can be as strong in his comments as he'd like. If we're unsatisfied, we won't be bent over.
You might not be bent over but you might end up accepting less than a first-rounder.
 

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Plenty of players have said they'd quit and then returned once a suitable trade hadn't been found.

Hell, Dustin Martin was supposed to be gone but was persuaded to stay at the club. Ryan O'Keefe 'quit' the Swans for a few days.

If we can't find a decent trade, I reckon Bolton will get in his ear.
There is a difference between speculation that a player will leave and a player publicly saying he'll never wear team x's jumper again.
The fact that he is contracted is actually working against Carlton.
Bolton can try get in his ear, but the guy looks to have checked out of Carlton, evidence of which is that he didn't go to your b&f and has posted that he is leaving! Not 'maybe leaving', not 'considering his options', simply leaving!

If you think a mid-late second round pick is being put over a barrel, then you can, and probably will, be put over a barrel.
 
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There is a difference between speculation that a player will leave and a player publicly saying he'll never wear team x's jumper again.
The fact that he is contracted is actually working against Carlton.
Bolton can try get in his ear, but the guy looks to have checked out of Carlton, evidence of which is that he didn't go to your b&f and has posted that he is leaving! Not 'maybe leaving', not 'considering his options', simply leaving!

If you think a mid-late second round pick is being put over a barrel, then you can, and probably will, be put over a barrel.
If we aren't offered a good trade he'll simply stay with the club.

In this draft a second rounder and a fringe player won't cut it.
 

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I don't know that. Neither do you.

Different clubs will have different ideas about what's "fair".

Based on what?
He's a talented, skilful player coming into his prime. Don't be naive.

And, as I have said repeatedly, we will meet somewhere in the middle.

Based on quite literally his contract for next year.
 

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Is it naive to ask you to substantiate your opinions?

So you accept it could be less than a first-rounder?

Which Carlton may choose not to enforce.
You have my word. You can look at this microcosmically or you can look at the bigger picture. 16 other clubs aren't going to let Richmond take him for a dime.

It'll probably be an upgrade of picks - Richmond's 1st for Yarran and our second. Not ideal but true to our needs.

We will do what's necessary.
 

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You have my word. You can look at this microcosmically or you can look at the bigger picture. 16 other clubs aren't going to let Richmond take him for a dime.
Guesswork.

It'll probably be an upgrade of picks - Richmond's 1st for Yarran and our second. Not ideal but true to our needs.
So you accept that Carlton will trade Yarran for less than a first-rounder.
 

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If we aren't offered a good trade he'll simply stay with the club.

In this draft a second rounder and a fringe player won't cut it.
I doubt it, no way to know for sure about what we'll offer but I'll be surprised if it's more than a second rounder. We won't be trading players because of how many retirements we've had.

What I am absolutely sure about is that Carlton is not going to have Yarran on its list next year. Regardless of what he goes for or to where
 

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I would guess that the trade terms are satisfactory to the CFC, no list manager in the land would allow a contracted A grader
to walk on the club, untenable and inadmissible.
In the end we'll be compensated satisfactorily or we stand on principal and he rots in the Northen Blues it's our prerogative.
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I would guess that the trade terms are satisfactory to the CFC, no list manager in the land would allow a contracted A grader to walk on the club, untenable and inadmissible.
Who's the contracted A-grader?

Not Yarran, surely.

In the end we'll be compensated satisfactorily or we stand on principal and he rots in the Northen Blues it's our prerogative.
That's what you should do.
 

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You have my word. You can look at this microcosmically or you can look at the bigger picture. 16 other clubs aren't going to let Richmond take him for a dime.

It'll probably be an upgrade of picks - Richmond's 1st for Yarran and our second. Not ideal but true to our needs.

We will do what's necessary.
Don't think you will see the 1st under most circumstances. Think we need it for other trades. And you are right, not ideal. Any scenario where a club has to part with a first, even with a second coming back, in a draft you admit is poor, is certainly not ideal for Yarran.
 

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I would guess that the trade terms are satisfactory to the CFC, no list manager in the land would allow a contracted A grader
to walk on the club, untenable and inadmissible.
In the end we'll be compensated satisfactorily or we stand on principal and he rots in the Northen Blues it's our prerogative.
Ciao
Ordinarily, no club would do this but given he's a free agent next year, carlton will think heavily about doing this.

If he leaves next year, carlton get a compo pick band 2 or 3 for Yarran. Another expected lowish finish in 2016, gives them a better pick then one near 30. Picks in the 30's this year appear to be worth around pick in the 40/50's from most other years according to all reports.
 

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Ordinarily, no club would do this but given he's a free agent next year, carlton will think heavily about doing this.

If he leaves next year, carlton get a compo pick band 2 or 3 for Yarran. Another expected lowish finish in 2016, gives them a better pick then one near 30. Picks in the 30's this year appear to be worth around pick in the 40/50's from most other years according to all reports.
If Yarran played primarily reserves next season and carried on with his current form, I really doubt Carlton would receive any compensation for him at all as a FA.
 

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Plenty of players have said they'd quit and then returned once a suitable trade hadn't been found.

Hell, Dustin Martin was supposed to be gone but was persuaded to stay at the club. Ryan O'Keefe 'quit' the Swans for a few days.

If we can't find a decent trade, I reckon Bolton will get in his ear.
This is a very good point. Is Yarran likely to play for Carlton next year? Probably not.

However, like with Andrew Walker at the end of 2010, if a suitable trade cannot be found - we will try to keep him. What Yarran is saying is irrelevant. He is pushing to be traded, and there will be interested clubs. If Richmond doesn't want to offer something suitable - guess what, Hawthorn will. Or possibly one of the WA clubs. Too soon with both heavily involved in the premiership race to know if they'd be interested. Freo will want McCarthy if they can get him but who know's whats happening there? WCE should have picks if they lose Selwood etc.

He is worth a first rounder, but I don't expect Richmond supporters to agree. Bottom line for Richmond is: "the greatest risk is to take no risk at all". After 3 mediocre finals campaigns, I think its well past playing it safe. Whether that's Harley Bennell or Chris Yarran I don't know.

Right now Carlton is saying: we will try and find a suitable trade. If Richmond or other clubs think he's walking in for steak knives then they will miss out. Simple as that. I'm confident Hawthorn will be interested - he suit their gameplan - and they will offer pick 17/18/19. Richmond would need to match this somehow.
What I am hearing is Lennon + Rich's second - so that might be the trade. We won't know for a little while yet.
 

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Incorrect.

The buyer determines market value, not the seller.

If I draw a picture and put it on e-bay asking for $1 million, does that mean it's worth $1 million? Just because that's the price I've decided I'm willing to sell it for?

No. The value is determined by the price at which someone is willing to buy it ie. what a buyer is willing to give up in return.

Lol.

I've got a little task for you

1) Go to a gold dealer and ask to buy an ounce of gold..they will most likely tell you it's $1300

2)Tell them you want to buy it for $1000 because you think that there is no one else in the store and seeing as they are trying to sell the gold, they should take unders

3) see what they say
 

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Lol.

I've got a little task for you

1) Go to a gold dealer and ask to buy an ounce of gold..they will most likely tell you it's $1300

2)Tell them you want to buy it for $1000 because you think that there is no one else in the store and seeing as they are trying to sell the gold, they should take unders

3) see what they say
In fairness to Sweet Jesus, auctioning is different to trading.

In an auction, the buyer determines market value. But with any purchase (trade etc.) the seller determines value.
 

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Lol.

I've got a little task for you

1) Go to a gold dealer and ask to buy an ounce of gold..they will most likely tell you it's $1300

2)Tell them you want to buy it for $1000 because you think that there is no one else in the store and seeing as they are trying to sell the gold, they should take unders

3) see what they say
The price is $1300 because that's the price it trades at. That has been determined by the market, not because the gold dealer just arbitrarily decided on that figure.

Equally, Carlton might decide Yarran is 'worth a first-rounder'. But that doesn't mean anything if the market doesn't agree. Sure, they can keep him. But in terms of trade value, the market will decide that.
 

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The price is $1300 because that's the price it trades at. Not because the gold dealer just arbitrarily decided on that figure.
Who says nobody is willing to pay 1300 for the gold? Further still, you are assuming the gold dealer HAS to sell the gold.

There are too many preconceptions that you are making. It is not a fire-sale at Carlton.

If we tried to make a deal, weren't satisfied (say on your grounds) - we would simply tell him he's required for 2016. Then it's on Chris - he either acts like a professional footballer, and then perhaps leaves post-16 under FA. OR he destroys his career, ends up banished from the club for the year. Then the message he's telling other clubs is - if I'm not happy I don't play at all. He won't end up anywhere then. He'll be delisted at 25.
 

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The price is $1300 because that's the price it trades at. That has been determined by the market, not because the gold dealer just arbitrarily decided on that figure.

Equally, Carlton might decide Yarran is 'worth a first-rounder'. But that doesn't mean anything if the market doesn't agree. Sure, they can keep him. But in terms of trade value, the market will decide that.

You don't think Carlton can simply look at what similar players are traded for to determine value?
 
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