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I'm starting to enjoy this dill's posts......good for a laugh as he keeps burying himself deeper into his stupid delusions :)
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
How can you all be excited about yarran?

Yes he has class and skill, probably like no other on our list, but he ducks out of so many contests it is not funny.

He runs away from the ball and is only capable of finishing off all our other players hard contested balls.

Take garlett for example - marks, tackles, chases, head over the ball and finishes. You can get players like this as rookies. Even betts was a rookie.
Garlett and betts also has the ability of finding more of the ball than yarran. Is this what we get for pick 6. 9-12 possesions every week. His highest possesion total is 14 versus adelaide last year.

I am not at the club as much as I used to be, so could someone please tell yarran at training to fu**ing have a red hot go. The way he ducked his head in a marking contest today was comical. He also ran away from the contest in the forward pocket at the punt road end. He was just lucky one of our others made the contest and it spilled to him.

If he missed that last shot for goal today (which was an unconested mark), his stats were 11 possesions and one goal. I really cannot see what you are all excited about.

The guy is a liability and should be traded to w.a at the end of this year or up to the GC.

Seriously, be excited when there is reason. Be excited about our run, game plan and attack on the ball. Not 11 soft possesions that might have a nice blind turn or short pass.
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Have you had a previous personal relationship with Chris Yarran because I'm not getting where all this vitriol is coming from?

No team has 18 in and under 'hard men' and no team needs to either. He's a very skillful player who rather than always laying a tackle and potentially killing the contest or creating a stoppage actually harasses the opposition player with the intent of keeping the contest alive, getting the ball and doing something with it.

Watch him closely and you'll see he does this very well.

He also applies good defensive pressure and if not applying the tackle gives the ball carrier cause to get rid of it sooner than desired.

He ain't going anywhere and he's going to get better at what he does and contribute more so you may as well get used to him being in the side and move on.
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
How can you all be excited about yarran?

Yes he has class and skill, probably like no other on our list, but he ducks out of so many contests it is not funny.

He runs away from the ball and is only capable of finishing off all our other players hard contested balls.

Take garlett for example - marks, tackles, chases, head over the ball and finishes. You can get players like this as rookies. Even betts was a rookie.
Garlett and betts also has the ability of finding more of the ball than yarran. Is this what we get for pick 6. 9-12 possesions every week. His highest possesion total is 14 versus adelaide last year.

I am not at the club as much as I used to be, so could someone please tell yarran at training to fu**ing have a red hot go. The way he ducked his head in a marking contest today was comical. He also ran away from the contest in the forward pocket at the punt road end. He was just lucky one of our others made the contest and it spilled to him.

If he missed that last shot for goal today (which was an unconested mark), his stats were 11 possesions and one goal. I really cannot see what you are all excited about.

The guy is a liability and should be traded to w.a at the end of this year or up to the GC.

Seriously, be excited when there is reason. Be excited about our run, game plan and attack on the ball. Not 11 soft possesions that might have a nice blind turn or short pass.
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I have some difficulty following your train of thought. You ask how supporters can be excited by Yarran when you acknowledge he has "class and skill like no other on our list". Unless by the quoted words you intend nothing (which is not normally how such a rap is intended) surely it is his class and skill that would excite. Your claim that he "ducks out of so many contests it is not funny", even if it were based on some sensible viewing of any game in which he has played, would not be a reason for not being excited - excited and frustrated perhaps but still excited.

You go on to make comparisons with other players who were lower draft picks. Is this year real point? If your argument is that Garlett as a rookie draft is better value than Yarran as a number 6 pick I am sure most would agree. Garlett is a great value rookie pick as is Eddie Betts. By what method a player came to the club is irrelevant except for assessing the selectors. [In that regard I suspect you and I are on common ground. I would reserve a first round pick for a player that was capable of becoming a category 1 ruck, category 1 midfielder or a KPP. Although Yarran might surprise and become a category 1 midfielder I think his best role will be as a goal-converting forward. On this basis I am critical of the selection of Yarran at 6.]

To accuse Yarran of not trying and to think of him as no better than a tradable liability is to completely misunderstand his value to the team. No club can afford to trade players who are uniquely talented as we both agree Yarran is. Yarran has earned his place in the Carlton 22 at a very young age. If he is no better in 6 years than he is now he would still be good value. But the fact is that he has improved immensely over the last 12 months and is likely to improve immensely over the next 6 years. I for one will take delight in his performances, as I did yesterday, particularly with some of his lengthy, tripple effort chases up to the members wing, and relish his contributions to the Navy Blues. He may not have been who I would have taken at 6 in 2008 but what on earth does that matter. It turns out he is a highly talented hard-working kid who I hope is playing for Carlton in 12 years time.
 

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Windhover said:
I have some difficulty following your train of thought. You ask how supporters can be excited by Yarran when you acknowledge he has "class and skill like no other on our list". Unless by the quoted words you intend nothing (which is not normally how such a rap is intended) surely it is his class and skill that would excite. Your claim that he "ducks out of so many contests it is not funny", even if it were based on some sensible viewing of any game in which he has played, would not be a reason for not being excited - excited and frustrated perhaps but still excited.

You go on to make comparisons with other players who were lower draft picks. Is this year real point? If your argument is that Garlett as a rookie draft is better value than Yarran as a number 6 pick I am sure most would agree. Garlett is a great value rookie pick as is Eddie Betts. By what method a player came to the club is irrelevant except for assessing the selectors. [In that regard I suspect you and I are on common ground. I would reserve a first round pick for a player that was capable of becoming a category 1 ruck, category 1 midfielder or a KPP. Although Yarran might surprise and become a category 1 midfielder I think his best role will be as a goal-converting forward. On this basis I am critical of the selection of Yarran at 6.]

To accuse Yarran of not trying and to think of him as no better than a tradable liability is to completely misunderstand his value to the team. No club can afford to trade players who are uniquely talented as we both agree Yarran is. Yarran has earned his place in the Carlton 22 at a very young age. If he is no better in 6 years than he is now he would still be good value. But the fact is that he has improved immensely over the last 12 months and is likely to improve immensely over the next 6 years. I for one will take delight in his performances, as I did yesterday, particularly with some of his lengthy, tripple effort chases up to the members wing, and relish his contributions to the Navy Blues. He may not have been who I would have taken at 6 in 2008 but what on earth does that matter. It turns out he is a highly talented hard-working kid who I hope is playing for Carlton in 12 years time.
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My lack of excitement is because I believe his talent will amount to nothing. Have you ever seen players with talent amount to nothing? I know i have. Watch him closely. You do not learn to "want" the ball. It is a natural talent. Do you see dayne beams or still sidebottom needing time?

And one thing i will say. 95% of my furstrations come from using our valuable pick 6 on him. Chris yarran on pick 6. And robbo at pick 40. For gods sake, if people cannot see how **it hughes is, they are close to blind. And how you can wonder 'how it matters' that we used pick 6 on him is laughable? If you disagree, then surely it matters, otherwise hughes will continue to do it!
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
My lack of excitement is because I believe his talent will amount to nothing. Have you ever seen players with talent amount to nothing? I know i have. Watch him closely. You do not learn to "want" the ball. It is a natural talent. Do you see dayne beams or still sidebottom needing time?

And one thing i will say. 95% of my furstrations come from using our valuable pick 6 on him. Chris yarran on pick 6. And robbo at pick 40. For gods sake, if people cannot see how **it hughes is, they are close to blind. And how you can wonder 'how it matters' that we used pick 6 on him is laughable? If you disagree, then surely it matters, otherwise hughes will continue to do it!
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You say you believe his talent (which we both agree is unique) will amount to "nothing". Do you really? Please explain why. On the evidence before me I see a player who last year was relatively slight, with good pace, silky skills but no endurance. This year I see a player who has developed an impressive physique that is a testament to his dedicated weight-training, diet and discipline. I see a player with real speed and good endurance who, for example, chased, harrassed and tackled Geelong ball carriers up to and beyond the wing. I comfort myself that these are good indicators that his talent may well amount to quite a big "something" and am excited to see more.

As to your frustrations with draft picks, get over it. I did not say how we used our number 6 draft pick was irrelevant so stop laughing like a silly fool. On the contrary I said I suspect I agreed with you regarding the wisdom of picking Yarran with pick 6 and that I would not have done so. [I go further and say it does not matter how good a player Yarran becomes. He could become a triple Brownlow medalist and I would still think he was a poor pick prospectively (not retrospectively when we can all be clever).

That is not the point. Yarran is a listed player at the club. When it comes to assessing his footballing ability I don't care if he is pick 1 in the draft or pick 100 in the rookie draft. All I care about is how he can play. Funnily enough what pick a player is in the draft tells you nothing about the player's football ability, only what the football world prospectively thinks is the player's ability.

As for Yarran not "wanting" the ball I again disagree. If you have a replay of the Carlton Geelong game, have a close look at Yarran's work in the packs in the first quarter. On one occasion he cleverly scooped the ball away from some hack Geelong player like Ablett, Bartel or Selwood and led to the first Carlton goal to Murphy.

As for your question regarding players with talent who amount to "nothing", yes I have. The best example can think of is Stephen Oliver. I am unsure if there are any particular parallels to be made so perhaps you could explain.
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
My lack of excitement is because I believe his talent will amount to nothing. Have you ever seen players with talent amount to nothing? I know i have. Watch him closely. You do not learn to "want" the ball. It is a natural talent. Do you see dayne beams or still sidebottom needing time?

And one thing i will say. 95% of my furstrations come from using our valuable pick 6 on him. Chris yarran on pick 6. And robbo at pick 40. For gods sake, if people cannot see how **it hughes is, they are close to blind. And how you can wonder 'how it matters' that we used pick 6 on him is laughable? If you disagree, then surely it matters, otherwise hughes will continue to do it!
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Dude, I'm pretty sure you're justing running this argument because you just want people to respond to you. It's fills some sort of "gap" in your greater life, if you get my drift.

But my concern really is how come every one else is blind, but you? In fact, is that of concern to you?
 
Windhover said:
You say you believe his talent (which we both agree is unique) will amount to "nothing". Do you really? Please explain why. On the evidence before me I see a player who last year was relatively slight, with good pace, silky skills but no endurance. This year I see a player who has developed an impressive physique that is a testament to his dedicated weight-training, diet and discipline. I see a player with real speed and good endurance who, for example, chased, harrassed and tackled Geelong ball carriers up to and beyond the wing. I comfort myself that these are good indicators that his talent may well amount to quite a big "something" and am excited to see more.

As to your frustrations with draft picks, get over it. I did not say how we used our number 6 draft pick was irrelevant so stop laughing like a silly fool. On the contrary I said I suspect I agreed with you regarding the wisdom of picking Yarran with pick 6 and that I would not have done so. [I go further and say it does not matter how good a player Yarran becomes. He could become a triple Brownlow medalist and I would still think he was a poor pick prospectively (not retrospectively when we can all be clever).

That is not the point. Yarran is a listed player at the club. When it comes to assessing his footballing ability I don't care if he is pick 1 in the draft or pick 100 in the rookie draft. All I care about is how he can play. Funnily enough what pick a player is in the draft tells you nothing about the player's football ability, only what the football world prospectively thinks is the player's ability.

As for Yarran not "wanting" the ball I again disagree. If you have a replay of the Carlton Geelong game, have a close look at Yarran's work in the packs in the first quarter. On one occasion he cleverly scooped the ball away from some hack Geelong player like Ablett, Bartel or Selwood and led to the first Carlton goal to Murphy.

As for your question regarding players with talent who amount to "nothing", yes I have. The best example can think of is Stephen Oliver. I am unsure if there are any particular parallels to be made so perhaps you could explain.
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Firstly. one funny point. The first player i thought of as well was stephen oliver - just had to mention that.

In terms of talent, there were many experts before the 08 draft that openly said yarran had the most talent in the pool. So why didn't he go pick 1? Many people had him as far down as pick 20 because they see exactly what i do.

Why don't you go have a look at a few passages on the replay. Watch in the 2nd when yarran ducks his head in a marking contest (he didnt even touch the ball). Watch the contest in the 3rd qtr when yarran actually receives the ball and kicks it along the ground - it is the contest just before when he could have hit the contest but he waited, knowing that if he went there was a potential contest. There are so many incidents like this when I see yarran hold back - not due to anything other than 'soft gutless footy'. This is why he gets such fews possesions. He waits for the ball to come to him in an uncontested fashion. Coarse I know he has class and skill, but so many people do not playing in the AFL. It's the desire for contest, the appetite to win that makes quality afl footballers - st.kilda has shown us this. He does not posses these qualities and this is why he slipped down the draft order, and why I believe he will amount to not much. This is nothing personal to Chris, yourself or any other poster, just Wayne hughes and his staff for not seeing what myslef and some other supportes see.

I can see some of the points you are making, however please look at the passages I'm talking about and I'm sure you will be aware of this happening many more times a game.
 
LIVING BY THE YARRA-N
WHETHER they were fact or fiction, Chris Yarran had allegations launched at him last year, not least about his ability to play the game.

Before the draft his highlights tape was something to see, and obviously the Blues liked it because they took a mid-sized forward over Daniel Rich, believing their midfield of Judd, Murphy, Simpson and Gibbs was good enough.

Ratten also took the punt with his Three Amigos - Yarran, Betts and Garlett - in the forward line, which worked last week and again yesterday against the mighty Cats.

Yarran is silk, so ease up on the young man.
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LIVING BY THE YARRA-N

Even Mark Robinson gets it...
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
In terms of talent, there were many experts before the 08 draft that openly said yarran had the most talent in the pool. So why didn't he go pick 1? Many people had him as far down as pick 20 because they see exactly what i do.
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How about you get off his back and let him play some footy for a few years?
 
SOSSOSSOS said:
Firstly. one funny point. The first player i thought of as well was stephen oliver - just had to mention that.

In terms of talent, there were many experts before the 08 draft that openly said yarran had the most talent in the pool. So why didn't he go pick 1? Many people had him as far down as pick 20 because they see exactly what i do.

Why don't you go have a look at a few passages on the replay. Watch in the 2nd when yarran ducks his head in a marking contest (he didnt even touch the ball). Watch the contest in the 3rd qtr when yarran actually receives the ball and kicks it along the ground - it is the contest just before when he could have hit the contest but he waited, knowing that if he went there was a potential contest. There are so many incidents like this when I see yarran hold back - not due to anything other than 'soft gutless footy'. This is why he gets such fews possesions. He waits for the ball to come to him in an uncontested fashion. Coarse I know he has class and skill, but so many people do not playing in the AFL. It's the desire for contest, the appetite to win that makes quality afl footballers - st.kilda has shown us this. He does not posses these qualities and this is why he slipped down the draft order, and why I believe he will amount to not much. This is nothing personal to Chris, yourself or any other poster, just Wayne hughes and his staff for not seeing what myslef and some other supportes see.

I can see some of the points you are making, however please look at the passages I'm talking about and I'm sure you will be aware of this happening many more times a game.
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Sossossos, first of all I'm going to apologise - I thought you were just trying to stir up trouble, but your analysis suggests otherwise.


So apologies.


As for you analysis, yes, there have been times when Yaz has held back - so did Gibbs early in his career, and a number of other players. In fact, many senior players hold back from time to time. Is this a question of courage or just reading how best to get the ball? As to his courage, the guy has been threatened with a knife, instead of playing passive he belted the knife carrier. He's also had a tough upbringing, yet has come through all that.

The fact that he didn't go number 1 in the draft yet touted as the most talented, so what? I don't see that as a reason not to play him or that he won't succeed (as you suggest). There would be very few players in the league if that were the case. Other clubs may have decided to go on a specific type of player (ie. a number of talls went before Yaz) than the most talented.


The fact about Yarran is that (1) he kicks goals, (2) he creates goals for others (3) his talent borders the exceptional and at times he's completely outmanouvered the opposition with what he does. That goal on the 50 he kicked, his dribble kick to Betts (i think), I doubt very many other players could do that in that situation. As to toughness, remember, the kid's only 19 and still developing his body.

I don't agree that he doesn't desire the contest or has the appetite, you only have to see how much fitter he is than last year to see that he wants to make it. The fact is, we need his creativity on the forward line, it wins games. And I don't see the point of dropping him (as you suggest) because he holds back from time to time, it's cutting your nose to spite your face - in a team there are players who do some things better than others, and some things worse than others. At day's end it's how they gell as a team that the key issue.
 

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Jeremias said:
I have a theory.

Perhaps SOSSOSSOS is the South African criminal that held up Yaz but then got his lights punched out of him.

Sure would explain the hatred and the lack of a brain.
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Bad theory.......although you aren't a member on that other site, but he used to rabbit on incessantly about JR and Hartlett....until people correctly pointed out you couldn't blame WH for Harts hammies. So it was JR this, crap 2004 draft that, have to sack the bloke who recruited JR, should have picked Monfries, should have picked LeCras, drivel drivel drivel...

Funny to note it doesn't mention JR anymore.

So you can see Yarran is the new convenient target for it's obsession.....i give it two years and it will be forced onto something else :thumbsu:

That's my theory.
 
My other theory is that if he used to "spend a lot of time at the club", that he walked past Hughes once or told him to pick Priddis over Murphy or something akin to this and WH refused to give him the time of day, which has fueled this obsessive agenda ;)
 
HARKER said:
Exo, why would you apologise?
Sadly 3*SOS will hunt down any negative and highlight that against any positive.

If he was true to his assessments, he should have been lambasting Judd for some of his poor kicking on the weekend or Murphy for not running the game out.

This guy is sadly right on the bottom end of having his glass half empty.
Actually, I'd be surprised if there is anything in his glass at all.

Message to 3 * SOS: Enjoy what you have mate and not bemoan something you haven't.
Things work so much better that way
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My parents always told me to be kind to the delusional
 
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Yazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza!!!!!!!!!

Yarran>>>>>>>>>>>>>People who bag kids in their 2nd season of footy.

The most impressive thing about his set shot goal from the boundary line 50m out 4th quarter against the reigning premiers was that as soon as he marked the ball he went back and knew he could kick it. Eyes were measuring up the big sticks straight away.

I'm one of his biggest fans but I honestly have to say he has even exceeded my expectations this year. Big congrats to him on the chasing and tackling pressure he has shown this year. That keeps him in games even when things aren't going his way.

Will still have a quiet game now and again but so do most 19 year old players.

Would be heaven if he kicked a match winning bag against the pies. Please Chris towel up one of their over hyped defenders.
 

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SOSSOSSOS said:
With yarran and robinson, or just yarran?

Wayne hughes has been quoted as saying he rated yarran at 3 and robinson at 9 in the 08 draft.

You are in such denial. Yarran is SOFT! Do you not recognise this? He chooses to not contest balls and wait outside.

The quicker you realise this the less heart ache you will have going forward.

The 08 draft for us will be remembered just like the richmond draft of deledio, tambling, meyer, polo and pattison.

We could have had beams, sidebottom, rich, ziebel, shoenmakers:eek: and many other between pick 6 and 40.

shame on you wayne hughes!
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Who?

Piss off mate , you dont even know what you are talking about.
 
Chism said:
Yeah they should ring SOSSOSSOS on 1800 *******. ;)
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Apparently Yarrans a dud because he is the most talented player in the draft but has no hardness and shirks the contest.

And Robinsons a dud because he is too hard and physical but has less talent despite being picked at 40 odd.

You just cant win when you're dealing with SOSOSOSOS.
 
JR was sh!t and single handedly ruined our '04 draft, funnily he doesn't trot that one out anymore :o
 
TheGeneral said:
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looking at those stats I cannot believe he got the rising star in Round 1. He was great last round and is an absolute star, but his disposal efficiency and clangers should of prevented him getting the nomination
 

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