Phantom Draft Chris25's 2009 Phantom Draft

[rohansword]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

If the rumour is true,
11. Carlton - Scully father/son

Don't clubs have the right to bid their picks to override father/son.

Ablett as a 3rd rounder was the reason they had to change this rule!

 

[Vader]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Don't clubs have the right to bid their picks to override father/son.

Ablett as a 3rd rounder was the reason they had to change this rule!

Ablett as a 3rd rounder had absolutely nothing to do with it. Hawkins as a 3rd rounder was the primary reason.

I have no idea what this rumour is - though presumably it suggests that Scully's true father is a Carlton player who played 100+ AFL/VFL games for the club.

If true (and I sincerely doubt that it is), then Carlton would be entitled to grab him with their first selection in the draft - pick #11. That assumes that one of the 9 clubs ahead of them in the pecking order is prepared to bid for him using their first round selection - which seems likely as he's universally expected to go 1st or 2nd in the draft.

 

[Keyza]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Ablett as a 3rd rounder had absolutely nothing to do with it. Hawkins as a 3rd rounder was the primary reason.

I have no idea what this rumour is - though presumably it suggests that Scully's true father is a Carlton player who played 100+ AFL/VFL games for the club.

If true (and I sincerely doubt that it is), then Carlton would be entitled to grab him with their first selection in the draft - pick #11. That assumes that one of the 9 clubs ahead of them in the pecking order is prepared to bid for him using their first round selection - which seems likely as he's universally expected to go 1st or 2nd in the draft.

Exactly right, other clubs would bid a first round pick and yes the rumour is what you said.

 

[Shere Khan]

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Begs the question of what constitutes Father Son. If Scully doesn't know who his father is, does that qualify as father/son ?

If it's a genetic link the decides then would that mean adopted kids of players are excluded ?

Father / Son selection for me was always a bit of romance in the son playing for the team he watched his father player off. Continue the tradition.

If Scully's old man was never around and not part of his life, what romantic or emotional attachment would there be to validate a FS pick ?

 

[Demon 16]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

That rumour has been around for ages - I first heard it about 4 months ago. Its a load of rubbish (that Tom Scullys biological father played for Carlton and Carlton will take him under father-son).

Made up by some Carlton supporter who is having withdrawal symptoms after not getting pick 1 (and getting Yarran) last year no doubt..

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

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That rumour has been around for ages - I first heard it about 4 months ago. Its a load of rubbish (that Tom Scullys biological father played for Carlton and Carlton will take him under father-son).

Made up by some Carlton supporter who is having withdrawal symptoms after not getting pick 1 (and getting Yarran) last year no doubt..

Jack Watts !

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

That rumour has been around for ages - I first heard it about 4 months ago. Its a load of rubbish (that Tom Scullys biological father played for Carlton and Carlton will take him under father-son).

Made up by some Carlton supporter who is having withdrawal symptoms after not getting pick 1 (and getting Yarran) last year no doubt..

How have your previous pick ones worked out for you?

Carlton doesn't need to take Tom Scully with the Father-Son rule...

We might sign an AIS Scholarship holder in Dylan Buckley on the cheap in the 2011 draft using the FS rule.

With GWS getting a better deal than GC17, Dylan Buckley will be a better value pick than Scully.

 

[Keyza]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

That rumour has been around for ages - I first heard it about 4 months ago. Its a load of rubbish (that Tom Scullys biological father played for Carlton and Carlton will take him under father-son).

Made up by some Carlton supporter who is having withdrawal symptoms after not getting pick 1 (and getting Yarran) last year no doubt..

I know that it is probably not true but it has been around for months and wont go away. I guess we will know soon enough (after the DNA tests are complete).

 

[Keyza]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Begs the question of what constitutes Father Son. If Scully doesn't know who his father is, does that qualify as father/son ?

If it's a genetic link the decides then would that mean adopted kids of players are excluded ?

Father / Son selection for me was always a bit of romance in the son playing for the team he watched his father player off. Continue the tradition.

If Scully's old man was never around and not part of his life, what romantic or emotional attachment would there be to validate a FS pick ?

bit of a grey area this father/son rule. I am sure that an adopted son can go under the rule and there has been a precedent with an eligitimate son of a former player. Many dads are not around these days but that wouldnt stop the son going to his dads club.
Not sure if the AFL need any DNA tests or just go by the birth certificate.

 

[Demon 16]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Jack Watts !

Um.. not too worried about Watts mate. I here you guys are already trying to offload Yarran to WCE though.

How have your previous pick ones worked out for you?

Carlton doesn't need to take Tom Scully with the Father-Son rule...

We might sign an AIS Scholarship holder in Dylan Buckley on the cheap in the 2011 draft using the FS rule.

With GWS getting a better deal than GC17, Dylan Buckley will be a better value pick than Scully.

Jeff White and Travis Johnstone where ok. Hopefully Watts and Scully will be even better.

Geez have I hit a nerve or something suggesting that this rumour is rubbish?? Do you really want Scully or something?

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

So now that I'm on uni holidays, and I'm looking for any excuse to not do any real work, I'm working on a fourth round for my phantom draft. Some other drafts are catching up to mine, so I have to maintain mine's position as the longest.

I'll post my thoughts on what each club will be looking for, given what I have them drafting in the first three rounds. Feel free to let me know what you think your club will be after...

Adelaide
Jordan Gysberts (tall midfielder)
Alex Carey (inside midfielder)
Derick Wanganeen (small forward/midfielder)

I'd imagine they'll be looking to draft tall after those three picks. Personally, I don't see the apparent problem with the Adelaide rucks. They have 6 young ruck options, and I think Maric is getting better with every game. I'm thinking of a tall defender, to help out Bock and Davis in the future. Rutten is getting older, and long term I'd like to see Otten freed up like a Milburn.

Possible choices: Simon Potts (key defender), Jack Hannath (ruckman)

Brisbane
Allen Christensen (quick midfielder)
Daniel Menzel (half back)
Ayden Kennedy (tall forward)

Speed and crumbing forwards are still missing from the Brisbane squad, and that'll be the focus of their next pick. Get that, and it will be a fairly even draft from the Lions.

Possible choices: Byron Sumner (quick midfielder), Robbie Hicks (small forward)

Carlton
Koby Stevens (versatile midfielder)
Jesse Crichton (skillful midfielder)
Tom Hill (tall forward/defender)

The two needs I had for Carlton were a lack of midfield depth and key forwards. They've fixed the first one, and gone some way towards fixing the second one. I am actually considering changing the selection of Tom Hill, and picking Joel Houghton instead (who I rate as a very good CHF).

Possible choices: Joel Houghton in the 3rd Round, and Tom Hill in the 4th

Collingwood
Jack Fitzpatrick (ruck/tall forward)
Ryan Harwood (developing midfielder)
Sam Reid (tall defender)

I don't think Collingwood have any real deficiencies. Further strengthening their midfield depth would probably be the aim here. Otherwise, possibly a young ruckman.

Possible choices: Byron Sumner, Charlie McAdam (half back), Andrew Hooper (half back/midfielder), Joseph Groenewegan (mobile ruckman)

Essendon
Dustin Martin (inside midfielder)
Jake Melksham (quick midfielder)
Troy Taylor (freakish half forward)

One of my favourite drafts so far I must say, and I bet it's looking even better with Lovett leaving. The biggest weakness at Essendon I think is key forwards. Neagle hasn't really shown all that much, Gumbleton is always injured and I prefer Hurley at FB. But given the lack of key forwards later in the draft, they might look at a key defender and send Hurley forward.

Possible choices: Dylan Grimes (defender), Sam Shaw (versatile tall), Tom MacKenzie (defender)

Fremantle
John Butcher (tall forward)
Lewis Jetta (quick outside midfielder)
Chris Luff (tall defender)

All three players should be very good ones, but Fremantle wouldn't have addressed their midfield problems yet. Midfielders with excellent skills should be the focus here for Fremantle.

Possible choices: Deon Gordon (half back), Byron Sumner

I'll finish the rest later on...

 

[Balony_pony16]

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whats the chance of Tapscott slipping to the Lions first pick? I heard he has a great kick which will fit in nicely with the lions long kicking gameplan.

Also, is there much talent in small forwards in this draft?

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

I think there is a chance of Tapscott lasting until Brisbane's pick, but only a very slight one. As I think it's unlikely he'll get past Port, particularly if the Burgoyne/Pick 9 deal eventuates.

As for small forwards, I don't think there is a lot of depth. We could see a few more of the raw players like Garlett getting picked up, as well as mature players like Ballantyne. But I feel most will be speculative picks.

 

[Sin City]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

If the rumour is true,
11. Carlton - Scully father/son

No. It's a load of crap and very disrespectful to the kid and his family.

Melbourne will draft him and good luck to him.

 

[Chris25]

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Geelong
Brad Sheppard (half back/midfielder)
David Astbury (tall defender/forward)
Zac Ledin (ball winning midfielder)

What more does Geelong need? Chances are they wont actually use this pick, but if they do another midfielder would probably be the focus. For some reason, I'm thinking one with pace. Or they could go a surprise and take a mobile ruckman as Blake, Ottens, Mumford and West are all fairly similar.

Possible choices: Robbie Hicks, Josh Thomas (midfielder), Joseph Groenewegan (mobile ruckman)

Hawthorn
Nathan Vardy (ruckman)
Roland Ah Chee (versatilte midfielder)
Josh Donaldson (developing key defender)

There really isn't much point doing a draft for Hawthorn, as it looks like they'll be trading away all their picks. So far they've covered most of their bases, but another option down back wouldn't go astray.

Possible choices: Dylan Grimes, Luke Thompson, Tom Mackenzie

Melbourne
Tom Scully (classy midfielder)
Jack Trengove (classy midfielder)
Matthew Panos (tall forward)
Max Gawn (206cm ruckman)

A near perfect draft for Melbourne so far, as they've filled four big spots with four picks. With their next pick I can see them doing one of two things; a big bodied midfielder or continuing with their indigenous theme and going for a running half back to replace Whelan.

Possible choices: Deon Gordon, Charlie McAdam, Andrew Hooper

North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington (versatile midfielder)
Andrew Moore (half forward)
Kyle Hartigan (tall defender)

I must admit to not being a big fan of the North list, and I think they still have a long way to go. I think they are still lacking speed and skills in the midfield, while a key forward could also be on the agenda here.

Possible choices: Joshua Giddings (tall forward), Jasper McMillan-Pittard (half back/midfielder), Byron Sumner, Josh Thomas, Joshua Cowan (outside midfielder)

Port Adelaide
Luke Tapscott (half forward/midfielder)
Ryan Bastinac (running midfielder)
James Craig (tall defender/ruckman)

A lot of the talk with Port is their apparent lack of tall forward options. But they have Westhoff, Tredrea and Salter and I think they would be better off going with a Bulldogs type forward line with Motlop, Gray and Tapscott. Plus they could always develop Trengrove as a forward. Nonetheless, they could look at a key forward after picking up midfielders with their first two picks.

Possible choices: Joshua Giddings, Justin Bollenhagen (skillful midfielder), Tom Harms (midfielder/half forward)

 

[Chris25]

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Richmond
Anthony Morabito (versatile midfielder)
Jake Carlisle (tall forward)
Callum Bartlett (quick midfielder)

Richmond have had a pretty good draft so far, and I think will continue to rebuild their midfield with this pick. With Carlisle, they have a fair few young talls both down back and up forward. I wouldn't be surprised to see them look at taking a big bodied midfielder, as they already have a fair bit of speed. Otherwise they might just take the best available, with a focus on skills.

Possible choices: Andrew Hooper, Jason Tutt (skillful midfielder/half back), Marcus Davies (midfielder/defender)

St Kilda
Aaron Black (tall forward)
Nicholas Winmar (half forward)
Mark Hutchings (midfielder/half back)

The Saints don't have a great deal of weaknesses in their squad, and their midfield depth is particularly good. I'd be considering a ruckman or key defender here for the Saints, purely with the view to bolster their talls (particularly given the question marks over the future of both Hudghton amd Maguire).

Possible choices: Dylan Jones (mobile ruckman/KPP), Sam Shaw, Luke Thompson

Sydney
Gary Rohan (versatile midfielder)
Ben Griffiths (versatile tall forward)
Dylan McNeil (solid midfielder)

I think Sydney will be looking at one of two things; skillful midfielders or tall defenders. The Swans are developing a nice group of young midfielders, but there is always room for more. Grundy looks the goods down back and Bolton continues to work hard, but there isn't a lot apart from them down back.

Possible choices: Jason Tutt, Tom Mackenzie, Luke Thompson, Jeremy Kirkwood (midfielder)

 

[Chris25]

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West Coast
Kane Lucas (skillful midfielder)
Mitch Duncan (half forward/midfielder)
Nat Fyfe (medium forward)

It's looking less likely that Fyfe will be available come the third round, but you never know. West Coast have a good group of young talls, although they could possibly use another young full back. Otherwise, some speed up forward and through the middle will be the focus of this pick.

Possible choices: Byron Sumner, Cameron Kickett (outside midfielder), Dylan Grimes

Western Bulldogs
Daniel Talia (tall defender)
Travis Colyer (fast midfielder)
Myles Pitt (medium/tall forward)

The Bulldogs have drafted a pretty good spread of players with the first 3 picks. The Bulldogs could probably look at taking another midfielder here, with of course a focus on good skills. Although this could also be the token pick in a trade for Barry Hall.

Possible choices: Barry Hall trade, Anthony Long (skillful half back), Jamie MacMillan (versatile flanker)



Well that's all the teams. Have I missed any pressing needs that your club still has?

As for the fourth round itself, it wouldn't surprise me to see some teams start passing here, especially the top 8. I also think there will be a few more speculative picks than usual, so definitely some names that I haven't mentioned. We could also see a few recycled players being picked up too...

 

[Quicky]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Collingwood
Jack Fitzpatrick (ruck/tall forward)
Ryan Harwood (developing midfielder)
Sam Reid (tall defender)

I don't think Collingwood have any real deficiencies. Further strengthening their midfield depth would probably be the aim here. Otherwise, possibly a young ruckman.

I disagree on the bolded bit. I think it is pretty clear the biggest deficiency on our list is a KPF. Alot of Collingwood supporters have serious concerns about the progress of Cloke and his ability to hold down CHF. Rocca is soon to retire, Rusling is continually injured, Dawes has serious queries over areas of his game. Reid is being developed as a CHB. We really need a big bodied KPF capable of taking contested marks and importantly finishing them off. I'd suggest any of Panos, Carlisle, Talia, Black, Griffiths, Temel and maybe even Vardy would all appeal to us. I don't think another skinny ruckman who is a poor overhead mark is the sort of player we would look at - he just doesn't fit our needs.

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I'm thinking the coaching staff probably have a bit more faith in guys like Cloke, Dawes and Rusling though. Although a medium sized forward in Macaffer coming in to replace Rocca, might suggest otherwise.

I'm trying to avoid changing too many of my previous picks, but perhaps Collingwood will be the team to take the punt of Temel...

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

So here is my fourth round...

#49 Melbourne - Deon Gordon
I went with the best of both worlds for Melbourne's next pick. Gordon has a bigger body than some of their other current indigenous players (Jetta, Bennell), and has excellent foot skills coming off half back.
#50 Richmond - Andrew Hooper
Similar to the Melbourne pick, I went with a player with a bigger body. Hooper should be able to come in straight away and play in defence and through the midfield. And after their previous selections, I think they'll be happy with a relatively 'safe' pick here.
#51 Fremantle - Justin Bollenhagen
Fremantle need more midfielders, especially after picking up talls with two of their first three picks. Bollenhagen should compliment the outside running of Jetta well, with his inside game and excellent foot skills.
#52 North Melbourne - Byron Sumner
With both Campbell and Thomas seemingly going backwards this year, North are lacking speed through the midfield and up forward. Sumner would not only offer them this speed, but also a surprisingly good kick for such a player.
#53 Sydney - Jason Tutt
A skillful midfielder won out over a tall defender here for the Swans. They could go either way in my opinion, but I ended up going with the one from NSW.
#54 West Coast - Dylan Grimes
Personally I quite like the West Coast talls, but I'm not sure whether there are any who will be able to take over from Glass at full back. I think Grimes is as close to Glass as the Eagles are going to get.
#55 Port Adelaide - Joshua Giddings
Giddings is a lead up forward with a decent mark. Should fit into the Port forward line quite well, given the likes of Westhoff are better suited to playing deep.
#56 Hawthorn - Luke Thompson
Like I said before, chances are Hawthorn will be trading away most of their picks. But regardless, I have them taking another tall defender here. Thompson is a versatile defender, like Schoenmakers, and should fit in well while allowing Donaldson time to develop.
#57 Essendon - Tom Mackenzie
Another tall defender, and really I think you can throw a blanket over most of them. By drafting Mackenzie, Essendon will be able to use Hurley up forward more often.
#58 Carlton - Tom Hill
I originally had Hill at Carlton's third pick, but I changed that to Joel Houghton (tall forward). I think Hill will still be available at this pick, and like I said before he offers them versatility in which role they develop him into.
#59 Brisbane - Robbie Hicks
Speed, decent skills and clever around goals. There isn't a lot of him, but Hicks would definitely fill a need at Brisbane.
#60 Adelaide - Simon Potts
I don't think the Adelaide ruck situation is that bad, although if Griffen is traded I would reconsider this pick. But Potts would give them another option down back along with Bock, Davis and Otten. And he will hopefully be able to free Otten up into a more attacking role.
#61 Collingwood - Serhat Temel
I was thinking a midfielder, but after feedback from a Collingwood supporter, decided to give them a strong marking forward. Someone will take the punt on Temel, and whoever does could very well get themselves a bargain.
#62 Western Bulldogs - Charlie McAdam
As we all know, the Bulldogs game plan is built around skill. And this is exactly what McAdam offers the Bulldogs.
#63 Geelong - Joseph Groenewegan
Geelong do have a few ruckmen, but none of them really fit into this modern day fad of mobile ruckmen. Groenewegan will offer them this versatility, and Geelong will be able to put the time into him that he needs.
#64 St Kilda - Sam Shaw
Just another depth pick for the Saints here, particularly with the question marks over Hudghton and Maguire. Shaw is athletic and versatile, which would seem to fit with the Saints style.

 

[Mofra]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Well done Chris, you seem to have a good handle on what we need to compliment our current list.

 

[Ollies]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Fanfooty has Hooper listed as 172cm and 78kgs. This draft calls him a player with aq bigger body? Fanfooty wrong?

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Hooper is 172cm, but he is built like a tank. Don't let the measurements fool you.

 

[Almighty tigers]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Richmond
Anthony Morabito (versatile midfielder)
Jake Carlisle (tall forward)
Callum Bartlett (quick midfielder)

Richmond have had a pretty good draft so far, and I think will continue to rebuild their midfield with this pick. With Carlisle, they have a fair few young talls both down back and up forward. I wouldn't be surprised to see them look at taking a big bodied midfielder, as they already have a fair bit of speed. Otherwise they might just take the best available, with a focus on skills.

I would be more than happy with this draft

 

[Books]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

If Dustin Martin was still available at Pick 9 I would be very disappointed if Hawthorn did not pick him.