Society/Culture Christchurch mosque killer’s theories seeping into mainstream, report warns

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Chief started one of these Nazis, Nazis Everywhere! threads off the back of a buzzfeed article once. Standards haven't improved much.

Shandog has put in a power of work trying to drag this board into the 21st century, but we still have a ways to go.

Might be an idea for posters to actually read studies/research/reports before they hit the Post Thread button.
You were pushing to combat the 'far left insurgency' the other night; now you're preaching moderation.
 

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Deserves a C- at best.

The authors claim that the volume of tweets about the term "Great Replacement" has steadily increased since 2012. But their own data shows discussion of the Great Replacement on Twitter remained fairly flat between 2015 and 2018. Then, of course, it spiked after the Christchurch massacre with the accompanying manifesto, but has since tailed off to previous levels.

The authors acknowledge that mention of the term "Great Replacement" in a tweet is not a definitive measure that more individuals are engaging with the conspiracy. For example, people could be arguing against such ideas, or arguing against articles that claim more individuals are engaging with the conspiracy.

They have not baselined their data against more general Twitter stats. In 2012 Tweet growth rate was around 100% per annum. The growth rate is still around 30% per annum. Any trend that is flat during recent years is actually diminishing in real terms.

The authors like to bundle the numbers up to a grand total of tweets between 2012 and 2019. This includes the huge one-off spike in 2018. But excluding 2018 the numbers for the term "Great Replacement" are about 10,000 per year. To put this into perspective Twitter is currently running at about 200 billion tweets per year.

They claim that term "remigration" has strongly increased since mid-2014. Again they bundle up the annual figures, which includes the 2014 launch of the Twitter account @Remigration. They acknowledge that this one account is responsible for nearly all the tweets mentioning "remigration". It used the term over 20 times more than the second most active account.
Thanks for an objective response. I remember reading that journalists etc might have spiked the numbers, but don't remember the part about 'arguing against the articles' which makes sense and needed to be included. The numbers as a whole sounded fairly insignificant compared to the entirety of social media.
 

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I used to assume that everyone did otherwise why would they waste their time.
This board is dominated by lefties.

All you need is an article with a catchy headline talking about the report/study/research.

Many times they will go on nothing more than an opinion 'hit piece' from Workers of the World Unite.

A tweet is considered evidence around here.

The Left doesn't self regulate. So they aren't even aware when they've gone too far.
 

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This board is dominated by lefties.

All you need is an article with a catchy headline talking about the report/study/research.

Many times they will go on nothing more than an opinion 'hit piece' from Workers of the World Unite.

A tweet is considered evidence around here.

The Left doesn't self regulate. So they aren't even aware when they've gone too far.
Most of the lefties in here equate vox, vice, and MSNBC as being equal to peer-reviewed journals. They wouldn't understand solid research if it smacked them over the head like a cement infused milkshake.

"sources close to" is as solid as it gets for them and why we have to put up with garbage threads like this.
 

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This board is dominated by lefties.

All you need is an article with a catchy headline talking about the report/study/research.

Many times they will go on nothing more than an opinion 'hit piece' from Workers of the World Unite.

A tweet is considered evidence around here.

The Left doesn't self regulate. So they aren't even aware when they've gone too far.
It's a shame when good discussion could be had.
 

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Most of the lefties in here equate vox, vice, and MSNBC as being equal to peer-reviewed journals. They wouldn't understand solid research if it smacked them over the head like a cement infused milkshake.

"sources close to" is as solid as it gets for them and why we have to put up with garbage threads like this.
Unless you're trying to be funny, that cement shakes milkshake line came from a tweet, that has been since been proven to be fake. It won't stop people believing it though.

The replacement theory has been a motivating factor in politically motivated violence. Brevik, Tarrant, Bowers. Probably more that Im forgetting. Those are just the deaths and murders. A resurgent fascist movement in the US felt entitled to stage a torchlight rally yelling 'jews will not replace us'. The theory has a sense of urgency which will prompt more of these replacement inspired killings.
 

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Unless you're trying to be funny, that cement shakes milkshake line came from a tweet, that has been since been proven to be fake. It won't stop people believing it though.

The replacement theory has been a motivating factor in politically motivated violence. Brevik, Tarrant, Bowers. Probably more that Im forgetting. Those are just the deaths and murders. A resurgent fascist movement in the US felt entitled to stage a torchlight rally yelling 'jews will not replace us'. The theory has a sense of urgency which will prompt more of these replacement inspired killings.
Thank you BigFooty's answer to Carlos Maza. Go quote someone else with you boring ANTIFA-esque rhetoric and faux outrage.
 

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It's a shame when good discussion could be had.
You can still have a tremendous discussion.

The thing to remember is many of the ideologically possessed posters in here may have other underlying mental/emotional issues that drives them to communicate in the most obnoxious and undesirable way possible.

Some of the prolific ones have an inbuilt need to always be right.

If you don't take things personally, you will get a wonderful insight into the mind of the insane.
 

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Would you still like that discussion?
Or have you already been convinced by all of those posts about 'lefties'?
You don't need my permission to post good discussion points. But your avatar gives me a real headache so I usually have you on ignore. Flashy avatars are a health hazard for many people.
 

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You don't need my permission to post good discussion points. But your avatar gives me a real headache so I usually have you on ignore. Flashy avatars are a health hazard for many people.
The article and report behind it is mostly about how the right wing extremist conspiracy of white genocide, the increase in attacks from the extreme right wing, and the lack of response to this from politicians.


Proponents of the so-called ‘Great Replacement’ theory argue that white European populations are being deliberately replaced at an ethnic and cultural level through migration and the growth of minority communities. This propagation often relies on demographic projections to point to population changes in the West and the possibility that ethnically white populations are becoming minority groups. Certain ethnic and religious groups – primarily Muslims – are typically singled out as being culturally incompatible with the lives of majority groups in Western countries and thus a particular threat.​



As the Great Replacement theory co-opts the grievances of different fringe communities on the internet by connecting anti-migration, anti-LGBT, anti-abortion and anti-establishment narratives, it has gained traction among a range of loose online networks: the gaming community, the loose antifeminist communities known as the ‘Manosphere’, conspiracy theorists, counter-jihadist bubbles and anti-Semitic echo chambers have found their lowest common denominator in the victimhood of the white European people.​
https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Great-Replacement-The-Violent-Consequences-of-Mainstreamed-Extremism-by-ISD.pdf


Overall, policymakers have been slow to recognise the threat posed by the extreme-right and have only very recently begun to make efforts to address this issue in response to the recent surge in far-right inspired acts of violence. It is crucial that this gap is closed and that more is done by governments, tech platforms and practitioners to understand the dynamics of these movements. This however requires an increase in expertise. Whilst the UK, Canadian and German Governments have made steps to proscribe extreme-right groups, other countries are currently lagging behind. Crucially, the United States is currently limited in its domestic response to extreme-right terror; a policy failure with far-reaching consequences, including shaping the agenda of predominantly US-based social media platforms. Although major platforms have introduced some voluntary measures to counter white nationalist and white supremacist content, many of the fringe platforms frequented by the extreme-right use free speech and libertarian arguments as the baseline for their policies. This wider technological ecosystem must be addressed by policy makers if the challenges faced are to be addressed successfully. Raising greater awareness about the nature, scale and tactics of online extremist networks is an essential first step in helping practitioners and governments to more effectively respond to the threat in an informed, proportional and consistent fashion.​



There were 50 extremist killings in the US in 2018. Every single one was linked to right wing extremism.

Do you disagree with any of that?
 

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The authors claim that the volume of tweets about the term "Great Replacement" has steadily increased since 2012. But their own data shows discussion of the Great Replacement on Twitter remained fairly flat between 2015 and 2018. Then, of course, it spiked after the Christchurch massacre with the accompanying manifesto, but has since tailed off to previous levels.
It shows a steady increase....

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They have not baselined their data against more general Twitter stats. In 2012 Tweet growth rate was around 100% per annum. The growth rate is still around 30% per annum. Any trend that is flat during recent years is actually diminishing in real terms.
This isn't a fair comparison.

Arguing that a fringe/extremist talking point isn't growing at the same rate as major talking points, doesn't mean it's deminishing.
In real terms it is still increasing.


The authors like to bundle the numbers up to a grand total of tweets between 2012 and 2019. This includes the huge one-off spike in 2018. But excluding 2018 the numbers for the term "Great Replacement" are about 10,000 per year. To put this into perspective Twitter is currently running at about 200 billion tweets per year.
Again, it's a fringe/extremist talking point.
It's being argued that it's increasing... not that it's dominating...


They claim that term "remigration" has strongly increased since mid-2014. Again they bundle up the annual figures, which includes the 2014 launch of the Twitter account @Remigration. They acknowledge that this one account is responsible for nearly all the tweets mentioning "remigration". It used the term over 20 times more than the second most active account.
That specific term... yes.
What's the problem with that?
 

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It shows a steady increase....

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This isn't a fair comparison.

Arguing that a fringe/extremist talking point isn't growing at the same rate as major talking points, doesn't mean it's deminishing.
In real terms it is still increasing.
Stop talking facts. Facts are not welcome here.
It's decreasing per tweet / per capita, the only meaningful measurements. Learn how stats work!
 

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Do you disagree with any of that?
As I had never heard of the "Great Replacement Theory" and Remigration" I chose to read the report to see what it's all about.

"This paper outlines the origins and main arguments
of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory,
its proponents, the tactics used to disseminate
this concept, and the extent to which it is being
politically mainstreamed, to illustrate how this
concept has come to dominate the transnational
extreme-right."


For a laymen it explains well the origins and main arguments (tick) and that tactics used to disseminate the concept (tick). Doesn't explain so well the extent to which it is politically mainstreamed but has a good stab at it. But it doesn't satisfactorily identify how this concept has come to dominate the extreme-right.

Is it part of the extreme right narrative? Yes, that is obvious by reading the report and trusting the data.
Is it dominant in the extreme right? Who knows. It might be or it might not be, but the answer hasn't been provided by the report. IMO there was no need to say that it was dominant, better off to report that it is there and the use of the terms are increasing. It does leave questions though about the increase in use of these terms. Is it because of Christchurch? Is it being talked about more because they are more well known? Is the chatter more for or more against? Are subscribers for or against? So many unanswered questions.

Are the recommendations valid? For most part they seem to be.

The bigger picture - Are these ideas new or are they rehashed ideas that have been with us for 100 or so years. Seem rehashed to me. Is the extremist right growing or is it amplified by social media? I suspect a bit of growing and a lot of amplification.

PS. Your avatar is very very annoying.
 

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As I had never heard of the "Great Replacement Theory" and Remigration" I chose to read the report to see what it's all about.

"This paper outlines the origins and main arguments
of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory,
its proponents, the tactics used to disseminate
this concept, and the extent to which it is being
politically mainstreamed, to illustrate how this
concept has come to dominate the transnational
extreme-right."


For a laymen it explains well the origins and main arguments (tick) and that tactics used to disseminate the concept (tick). Doesn't explain so well the extent to which it is politically mainstreamed but has a good stab at it. But it doesn't satisfactorily identify how this concept has come to dominate the extreme-right.

Is it part of the extreme right narrative? Yes, that is obvious by reading the report and trusting the data.
Is it dominant in the extreme right? Who knows. It might be or it might not be, but the answer hasn't been provided by the report. IMO there was no need to say that it was dominant, better off to report that it is there and the use of the terms are increasing. It does leave questions though about the increase in use of these terms. Is it because of Christchurch? Is it being talked about more because they are more well known? Is the chatter more for or more against? Are subscribers for or against? So many unanswered questions.

Are the recommendations valid? For most part they seem to be.

The bigger picture - Are these ideas new or are they rehashed ideas that have been with us for 100 or so years. Seem rehashed to me. Is the extremist right growing or is it amplified by social media? I suspect a bit of growing and a lot of amplification.

PS. Your avatar is very very annoying.
Does it need to?
At its core, isn't the extreme right, white supremacy?
What do you think dominates the extreme right in Western society?

I think it discussed the increase reasonably well. It talked about all of the outlets used and the techniques used.
It talked about how memes are very effective in recruiting for subscribers.

The ideas are incredibly old, as mentioned in the report.
They've always been floating around with all kinds of techniques used to rehash them... but there is an increasing presence in social media. And it correlates with other reports showing an increase in right wing extremism.
 

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This board is dominated by lefties.

All you need is an article with a catchy headline talking about the report/study/research.

The Left doesn't self regulate. So they aren't even aware when they've gone too far.
You can say that again Tigre.
 

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Does it need to?
At its core, isn't the extreme right, white supremacy?
What do you think dominates the extreme right in Western society?

I think it discussed the increase reasonably well. It talked about all of the outlets used and the techniques used.
It talked about how memes are very effective in recruiting for subscribers.

The ideas are incredibly old, as mentioned in the report.
They've always been floating around with all kinds of techniques used to rehash them... but there is an increasing presence in social media. And it correlates with other reports showing an increase in right wing extremism.
If it claims to then it should IMO. As I said, I read the report because I had never heard of these terms. In the report is states that it will illustrate how this concept has come to dominate the transnational extreme-right. I don't believe it did. I believe there is a huge difference between showing that something exists (which this report did) and that something is dominant (which IMO this report didn't).

If the report had said white supremacy is dominant in the extreme right then I would have probably said durr and not bothered reading it. I hope you see the difference.
 

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If it claims to then it should IMO. As I said, I read the report because I had never heard of these terms. In the report is states that it will illustrate how this concept has come to dominate the transnational extreme-right. I don't believe it did. I believe there is a huge difference between showing that something exists (which this report did) and that something is dominant (which IMO this report didn't).

If the report had said white supremacy is dominant in the extreme right then I would have probably said durr and not bothered reading it. I hope you see the difference.
I think I see your point. They didn't go far enough to prove that statement? Or they should have been clearer with that statement.

But I think it was meant in the context below:
These theories focus on the premise that white people are at risk of being wiped out through migration, miscegenation or violence. This sort of thinking is not new, and concepts which amplify ethnic and cultural differences between whites and non-whites have long been leveraged to justify conflict in supremacist circles. However, recently these concepts have come to dominate the ideology of extreme-right groups, providing the ideological glue which ties together an increasingly cohesive, networked and transnational extreme-right.​

I think it's the dominant link that connects all the fringes of the extreme right.
An underpinning that their way of life and 'culture' is being attacked.

And I do think it addresses that point reasonably well throughout the report.
 
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