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For this reason, I've never understood 'The Left's' identification with and defence of Muslim radicalism. Right and Left are nearly identical at their extremities. See Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolini & Mao, i.e. all fascists.
Nobody has defended radical anything.
Unless you're saying that all Muslims are radical.
 

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It's a lot to process.
Nationalist.
Australian.

Shit just got real.

Wonder if Trump will ban Australians from the USA until they can work out whether we are fair dinkum or not?
It's pretty pathetic. We've seen the PM himself suggest that inflaming anti Islam feeling is a good way to win votes but now he's dreadfully shocked this has happened. What exactly does he believe?
 
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So you're claiming he is a rational pro fascist with virtually no other motivation than white supremacy?
His rantings ticked all the boxes of a pretty widely shared ideology. There are plenty of rational people indulging the ideology. They have mainly online hubs where they tickle each other's balls with this shit.

What the left have to do with this, or how a left right dichotomy has to do with this, you haven't explained.
 
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This forum is a touchstone for the left v right divide and culture war.
I've said previously that I am basically a centreist who leans slightly to the right on fiscal matters and slightly to the left on social issues.
I've been lambasted by many, from both 'sides', stating that this is an impossibility.
You either with 'us' or you're against 'us'.
Peoples world views are far more binary than in any other time in my memory.
And it's frightening.
 

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It's an affront to all of us who value civilised society. All right-minded (as in correct, not right-wing) people condemn it.
Condemnation is just words. As helpful as thoughts and prayers.

WE allow it to get to the point where some nutter thinks killing people is the answer.
 

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We live in a predominantly white regional town. one of my sons had taken to saying 'allahu akbar' basically mocking Moslems. Id told him off for it but obviously not forcefully enough as he had kept doing it.

In the aftermath of yesterday, I explained to him that mocking a race or religious group helped create an environment where some nutcases thought it was ok to go into someone's church and slaughter the people being mocked.

My young son immediately understood the point and promised to stop mocking people from other cultures.

If a kid can so quickly understand why respect and tolerance for other peaceful cultures is important if you want to live in a decent society - why do so many people struggle with this basic concept?
 

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It's pretty pathetic. We've seen the PM himself suggest that inflaming anti Islam feeling is a good way to win votes but now he's dreadfully shocked this has happened. What exactly does he believe?
They, politicians like Howard, Morriscum and Dutton, and their cheer squad on these forums (you know who you are) think that the alt-right movement in Europe/USA is something we should aspire to.


You can't wind people up and wind people up and wind people up and expect that they will unwind themselves through anything other than violence.
Xenophobic rhetoric goes around in concentric circles until you reach the pointy end, at which point there is a gun.
History tells you that there is no anti-immigrant sentiment without the violence.
 

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His motivation is clearly ANTI left, not PRO fascist.

The mentally disturbed do not fit neatly in to your ideological filing cabinet.

BS. His 'motivation' is racist, bigoted blind brainless gutless hate of Muslims.

Enabled by our RWNJ politicians & the variety of hate sites on the sort of antisocial media sites some on here habit.

If it were just 'ANTI left', why didn't he just shoot up a local labor party meeting? Instead he chose a Mosque full of defencless people.

Making anything else out of it is just brainless.
 

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Fraser Anning is scum and Pauline Hanson is stupid, But maybe they get votes because the two major parties have not addressed legitimate concerns about immigration levels and the number of overseas workers being allowed to work in Australia.
Absolutely, we have former ALP and LNP voters who would actively oppose.anything like the reintroduction of the white Australia policy and condemn Christchurch just as they would the Muslim terrorist attacks but they are going to vote ONP or Kattter to try and get the msg through that our immigration levels (from all sources) must be cut significantly.
 

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Condemnation is just words. As helpful as thoughts and prayers.

WE allow it to get to the point where some nutter thinks killing people is the answer.
Well there's a lot of finger-pointing going on in this thread. Just clarifying that nobody thinks this is justifiable in any way, or a solution to anything.

Nobody wants this, and the post I originally responded to is insulting.
 

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Those types of people are going to watch it anyway.

People like this guy act because they think they have the support of the non-extremists. The nudge-nudge wink-wink veiled racism that has overrun our values is what is empowering the alt-right. They think this is the kind of thing people want. To an extent they are right, this is what people want.
It's now up to people say "yeah nah, that's not what we want". Watching the horror may shock some people into pulling their heads in.
Easy to say when it’s not involving the death of your own family member. Who the **** would want their loved ones final terrifying moments displayed to whole world? Typical of voyeuristic generation
 

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This forum is a touchstone for the left v right divide and culture war.
I've said previously that I am basically a centreist who leans slightly to the right on fiscal matters and slightly to the left on social issues.
I've been lambasted by many, from both 'sides', stating that this is an impossibility.
You either with 'us' or you're against 'us'.
Peoples world views are far more binary than in any other time in my memory.
And it's frightening.
Yes the them or us brigade seem to get the attention. I'd say the vast majority of people are not far off the middle of the bell shaped curve. Its the extreme behaviours which get the attention & make it seem more the norm than it really is.

I think it important we stand our ground for discussion, no matter how heated at times, but never offer a defence or excuse for this sort of savagery. Its an affront to any sort of civilised behaviour in any sort of civilised society.
 
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Pfffft, as if!
BS. His 'motivation' is racist, bigoted blind brainless gutless hate of Muslims.

Enabled by our RWNJ politicians & the variety of hate sites on the sort of antisocial media sites some on here habit.
mm, you're a serial lightweight and a cliche riddled cut & paste ideologue, who had me kicked out of the Tasmanian AFL football discussion because you couldn't deal with your highly flawed bullshit being dismantled. Don't bother engaging me in here, you're not worth the effort.
 
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Well there's a lot of finger-pointing going on in this thread. Just clarifying that nobody thinks this is justifiable in any way, or a solution to anything.

Nobody wants this, and the post I originally responded to is insulting.
Nobody is suggesting that.

But the ideology he had is becoming more common, including on here.
 
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Pfffft, as if!
Nothing more pathetic than using a horrible atrocity to push an agenda.

Those of you doing it should hang your heads in shame.
Exhibit 3,093,237,836.

:arrowdown:

It's pretty pathetic. We've seen the PM himself suggest that inflaming anti Islam feeling is a good way to win votes but now he's dreadfully shocked this has happened. What exactly does he believe?
 
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Well there's a lot of finger-pointing going on in this thread. Just clarifying that nobody thinks this is justifiable in any way, or a solution to anything.

Nobody wants this, and the post I originally responded to is insulting.
You've gone all coy on us Ron, what happened to Muslims invading this country and undermining our good old Aussie way of life that you're so sure of? You need to own your prejudices. I arrived in South Africa in 94 the day the Bop police killed 4 AWB guys and remember commenting that I couldn't have got a nicer welcome.
 
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Pfffft, as if!
His rantings ticked all the boxes of a pretty widely shared ideology. There are plenty of rational people indulging the ideology. They have mainly online hubs where they tickle each other's balls with this shit.
This is about as grey as it gets.
 

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Pfffft, as if!
In the aftermath of yesterday, I explained to him that mocking a race or religious group helped create an environment where some nutcases thought it was ok to go into someone's church and slaughter the people being mocked.

My young son immediately understood the point and promised to stop mocking people from other cultures.

If a kid can so quickly understand why respect and tolerance for other peaceful cultures is important if you want to live in a decent society - why do so many people struggle with this basic concept?
Years of programming & personal investment.
 

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mm, you're a serial lightweight and a cliche riddled cut & paste ideologue, who had me kicked out of the Tasmanian AFL football discussion because you couldn't deal with your highly flawed bullshit being dismantled. Don't bother engaging me in here, you're not worth the effort.
The Tasmanian AFL! WTF!!!

I'm sorry if you have feelings of 'oppression'. Probably a reflection of your mental state. You should get help.

Slither off now Snakey, find a nice rock & get some rest.
 
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