Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

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Absolutely, we have former ALP and LNP voters who would actively oppose.anything like the reintroduction of the white Australia policy and condemn Christchurch just as they would the Muslim terrorist attacks but they are going to vote ONP or Kattter to try and get the msg through that our immigration levels (from all sources) must be cut significantly.
What?
You actively think that average people would view that footage... of an Australian killing innocent people...
And they would still vote for the fear-mongering that lead to it?
How low is your opinion of Australians?
 

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Easy to say when it’s not involving the death of your own family member. Who the **** would want their loved ones final terrifying moments displayed to whole world? Typical of voyeuristic generation
I understand the family angle. I do.
It is a sick way of learning a harsh lesson, but perhaps that is the point that we have come to?

We are becoming blase to the consequences of marginalising people.

It's OK to hate muslims because Fraser Anning said muslim immigration is creating problems.
Look how Europeans are standing up to defend their country. Why don't we do that here.

"F it, time to take action"....wasn't that his last sane words?
 

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Nothing more pathetic than using a horrible atrocity to push an agenda.

Those of you doing it should hang your heads in shame.
Nothing more blind and stupid than refusing to learn and change when awful things occcur.

Even John Howard did that post Port Arthur...or did he just bow to the 'agenda' pushed by the anti gun lobby after the Port Arthur atrocity?
 

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How do we criticise violent ideologies without creating oppositionalist projections in these people's minds?
Can't you see that the primary mechanism feeding these logical perversions are their assigned ideological oppositions?
 

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You've gone all coy on us Ron, what happened to Muslims invading this country and undermining our good old Aussie way of life that you're so sure of? You need to own your prejudices. I arrived in South Africa in 94 the day the Bop police killed 4 AWB guys and remember commenting that I couldn't have got a nicer welcome.
You know very well that I'm opposed to Muslim immigration and that I think we are architecting our own demise by bringing them in. That's just my observation. It's a massive leap to claim I support murder, which was also inferred yesterday by a moderator.

They are here, for better or worse, and have the same right to live in safety as the rest of us.
 

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The Tasmanian AFL! WTF!!!

I'm sorry if you have feelings of 'oppression'. Probably a reflection of your mental state. You should get help.

Slither off now Snakey, find a nice rock & get some rest.
Good. Happy to see you acknowledge your momentous victory in true intellectual heavyweight fashion. Now kindly **** off and never quote me ever again.
 

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Nobody has defended radical anything.
Unless you're saying that all Muslims are radical.
You seem to have misunderstood my post.

I'm not saying that anyone on these boards has, in recent times, or in particular, in this thread, defended radical anything. I was referring to a habit I've noticed among those who profess to be left-leaning, whose recent utterances seem to be at odds with what I understand to be the tenets of left-wing politics. In general, the thinking usually attached to this movement stand in contradistinction to fascism, as practised by any brand of terrorists, or in regimes like the ones operating in the U.A.E or Saudi Arabia. I would have expected the Left to be opposed to such as a matter of principle.

To say radicalism of a certain type exists does not in anyway mean that all or most of any group must, as a matter of course, be radical.
 

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How do we criticise violent ideologies without creating oppositionalist projections in these people's minds?
At least Anning is consistent, ghastly but a man of his word. So many others in this country who've spent the last fifteen years beating up anti Islamic flames are suddenly going to be shocked and ruminate publicly on how such a terrible thing could happen. It will be an exercise in lack of self awareness.
 

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There is lots of truth to that.
"WE" give the green light to things like this...that's why nutters do it.
"WE" need to take responsibility so that "WE" don't influence other nutters to do the same thing.
To me it's no different to blaming all men for the murder of the Jewish girl in Bundoora. It's the same bullshit.
 

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You know very well that I'm opposed to Muslim immigration and that I think we are architecting our own demise by bringing them in. That's just my observation.
How do you hold a view like that? While also saying that you are against a person defending you against your "own demise"??
 

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At least Anning is consistent, ghastly but a man of his word. So many others in this country who've spent the last fifteen years beating up anti Islamic flames are suddenly going to be shocked and ruminate publicly on how such a terrible thing could happen. It will be an exercise in lack of self awareness.
Who says society is not a microcosm of bigfooty?
 

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How do you hold a view like that? While also saying that you are against a person defending you against your "own demise"??
There's no dichotomy. I get to vote and shake my head at what is going on in this country. I don't support taking up arms against civilians to enforce political views. Full stop.

I'm off to play in a cricket GF. It's still a good place.
 

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You seem to have misunderstood my post.

I'm not saying that anyone on these boards has, in recent times, or in particular, in this thread, defended radical anything. I was referring to a habit I've noticed among those who profess to be left-leaning, whose recent utterances seem to be at odds with what I understand to be the tenets of left-wing politics. In general, the thinking usually attached to this movement stand in contradistinction to fascism, as practised by any brand of terrorists, or in regimes like the ones operating in the U.A.E or Saudi Arabia. I would have expected the Left to be opposed to such as a matter of principle.

To say radicalism of a certain type exists does not in anyway mean that all or most of any group must, as a matter of course, be radical.
Most of the people from the 'left' that have supported MUSLIMS are against religion. Those who aren't against religion have made it clear that their support is for MUSLIMS not ISLAM.

You are conflating the 2, I suspect it is because of your anti-religion bent.
It is a tad duplicitous to say you're not making an accusation when you most certainly are.
 

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There's no dichotomy. I get to vote and shake my head at what is going on in this country. I don't support taking up arms against civilians to enforce political views. Full stop.
You believe that Muslim immigration will lead to your own demise...
This guy shares your views, and wanted to fight back...

You share his views,you engage his views, you support his views, you want something to be done...
But, you're clearly against his actions... that have come about due to the 'social acceptance' of your shared views.
 
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It's pretty pathetic. We've seen the PM himself suggest that inflaming anti Islam feeling is a good way to win votes but now he's dreadfully shocked this has happened. What exactly does he believe?
Scott Morrison seems to be shocked at a lot of things, eg. banking royal commission, Pell, doesn’t he have advisors? Where does his aptitude lie?
 

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Can't you see that the primary mechanism feeding these logical perversions are their assigned ideological oppositions?
There is a place for a left vs right discussion, but it has no bearing on this. You're sticking it where it doesn't belong.

White nationalism has built an intellectual framework around notions of white peril, cultural doom and enemies everywhere. White PC liberals, bankers, Soros. They will march on whether others criticised them or not.

If we're the primary mechanism for feeding them, how can we criticise violent ideologies?
 

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You believe that Muslim immigration will lead to your own demise...
This guy shares your views, and wanted to fight back...

You share his views,you engage his views, you support his views, you want something to be done...
But, you're clearly against his actions... that have come about due to the 'social acceptance' of your shared views.
I often wonder why people who believes muslims will lead to their demise and raped daughters and the death of their society don't take action.

It's not a big leap at all.
 

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Bourke street killer/bomber (attempted) = a) nutcase or b) Mulsim Jihadi nutcase facilitated by the left
Christchurch shooter/s = a) nutcase or b) Whit Supremacist nutcase facilitated by the right

Take your picks according to your personal ideologies folks.:thumbsu:
 
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