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If you all actually want the shooter's first hand perspective, his manifesto can be found here: https://observer.news/featured/the-manifesto-of-brenton-tarrant-a-right-wing-terrorist-on-a-crusade/

We're all playing in to what he had hoped would happen. Everything he did was deliberate and thought out in order to create division, even down to his use of guns that would not play well with left-wing Americans.

Wouldn't be surprised if we hear a verified-lefty-journo tout that PewDiePie endorses white nationalism... again.
NZ Police are trying to take that down and have asked that it not be shared.
Why are your spreading the shooter's message? That is what he said wanted to happen.
 

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Most of the right do have something in common with the far right ie denial of scientific evidence on climate, disdain for immigration, denigration of indigenous people, cut welfare, demonising refugees and locking them in camps, support for the gun lobby, wolf-whistling, exaggeration of crime from racial minorities, sympathy for white supremacy and racist political parties like one nation ect .'Left' people want basic social justice and action onnthe evidence on climate change.The 'far left ' in yr book eg Antifa, want to protest against neo nazi rallies and stop racism.See the difference?
Bullshit.
The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born.
The left want to dominate people by state power, just like your socialist buddy over in Venezuela.
The left want to disarm civilians so the state can have a total power monopoly over the people.
The left like to kill their own people, by the millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc etc.
Black lives matter wants to kill police, like they did in Texas.
The left pushed Eugenics in the USA.
The Democrats are the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow laws.
I bet you would make a great little guard at a re-education camp wouldnt you?
 

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Wouldn't the far left be Stalin, Lenin, Mao etc?

This isn't me arguing by the way - I'm probably the least knowledgeable person in here on this debate as proven in my 'socialism' thread where I was rightfully reamed.
Stalin,Lenon and Mao have nothing to with todays so called leftists. But we see with the Serbian War, Deturte, Brazil, Trump, Republican party, and a host of right wing anti-immigration leaders ,that the right, far right and extremist right aren't too far apart. EG One Nation callingfor DNA testing to see how indigenous someone is.Antfa are b.c. basically just anti racism protesters in contempory times.
 

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Good on you what could you possibly hope to get out of it.Why do you want to watch Muslim children being slaughtered?
You've essentially mirrored an element of the attitudes of the Islamic fundamentalists & right wing nutjobs who've got us into this mess in the first place.

It should be completely up to other people how they live their lives. Why he wants to watch the video is his business, not yours. The moment you try imposing your moral standards and worldview on other people, that's when the problems start. Human herd mentality & tribalism are the causes here.
 

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Most of the right do have something in common with the far right ie denial of scientific evidence on climate, disdain for immigration, denigration of indigenous people, cut welfare, demonising refugees and locking them in camps, support for the gun lobby, wolf-whistling, exaggeration of crime from racial minorities, sympathy for white supremacy and racist political parties like one nation ect .'Left' people want basic social justice and action onnthe evidence on climate change.The 'far left ' in yr book eg Antifa, want to protest against neo nazi rallies and stop racism.See the difference?
Bullshit.
The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born.
The left want to dominate people by state power, just like your socialist buddy over in Venezuela.
The left want to disarm civilians so the state can have a total power monopoly over the people.
The left like to kill their own people, by the millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc etc.
Black lives matter wants to kill police, like they did in Texas.
The left pushed Eugenics in the USA.
The Democrats are the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow laws.
I bet you would make a great little guard at a re-education camp wouldnt you?
Okay, so serious discussion time now. Socrates, you clearly lean left. Cleric, you clearly lean right.

Cleric; do you believe any of what Socrates wrote?

Socrates; do you believe any of what Cleric wrote?
 

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Bullshit.
The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born.
The left want to dominate people by state power, just like your socialist buddy over in Venezuela.
The left want to disarm civilians so the state can have a total power monopoly over the people.
The left like to kill their own people, by the millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc etc.
Black lives matter wants to kill police, like they did in Texas.
The left pushed Eugenics in the USA.
The Democrats are the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow laws.
I bet you would make a great little guard at a re-education camp wouldnt you?
Lol ! Nice work mix in a bit of truth with some internet conspiracy theories, you're tracking well on your progression to the right.
 

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You've essentially mirrored an element of the attitudes of the Islamic fundamentalists & right wing nutjobs who've got us into this mess in the first place.

It should be completely up to other people how they live their lives. Why he wants to watch the video is his business, not yours. The moment you try imposing your moral standards and worldview on other people, that's when the problems start. Human herd mentality & tribalism are the causes here.
Common decency and respect for the families of the victims doesn't cut the mustard here?
 

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You've essentially mirrored an element of the attitudes of the Islamic fundamentalists & right wing nutjobs who've got us into this mess in the first place.

It should be completely up to other people how they live their lives. Why he wants to watch the video is his business, not yours. The moment you try imposing your moral standards and worldview on other people, that's when the problems start. Human herd mentality & tribalism are the causes here.
Great, it's people like you that ensure we have the right to write slut on a campervan.Gonna have a look at the propaganda vid there mate.?
 

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Okay, so serious discussion time now. Socrates, you clearly lean left. Cleric, you clearly lean right.

Cleric; do you believe any of what Socrates wrote?

Socrates; do you believe any of what Cleric wrote?
I'm not right, I am a Libertarian. Many years ago Libertarians were more left, however with the extremism the left has undertaken, especially attacks on freedom of speach, compelled speach under law and a push towards socialism, it looks like Libertarians have more in common with conservatives. On certain issues and freedoms that is, but they are the ones currently under attack from the crazy left wing nuts.
 

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Okay, so serious discussion time now. Socrates, you clearly lean left. Cleric, you clearly lean right.

Cleric; do you believe any of what Socrates wrote?

Socrates; do you believe any of what Cleric wrote?
I didn't really take it seriously after ...
"The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born"
It's a typical angle from someone who thinks their race is superior and therefore they are allowed to spread a bit of fake news to spice up their 'side' lol bigfooty needs a third party to overhaul the rules,people have been getting away with hate speech here for years.
 

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Common decency and respect for the families of the victims doesn't cut the mustard here?
If you don't want to watch the video for your own reasons, don't. If others do, that's their democratic right. Stop forcing your choices onto others or attempting to ostracize them because their perspective and moral compass differs from your own. Take a lesson out of this tragedy - live and let live.



Great, it's people like you that ensure we have the right to write slut on a campervan.Gonna have a look at the propaganda vid there mate.?
More words spent on you would be words wasted.
 

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I'm not right, I am a Libertarian. Many years ago Libertarians were more left, however with the extremism the left has undertaken, especially attacks on freedom of speach, compelled speach under law and a push towards socialism, it looks like Libertarians have more in common with conservatives. On certain issues and freedoms that is, but they are the ones currently under attack from the crazy left wing nuts.
Lol ,have you written all girls are sluts on the side of your car yet? Or call a women in your workplace a slut yet, because that is what yr fighting for.
 

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I'm not right, I am a Libertarian. Many years ago Libertarians were more left, however with the extremism the left has undertaken, especially attacks on freedom of speach, compelled speach under law and a push towards socialism, it looks like Libertarians have more in common with conservatives. On certain issues and freedoms that is, but they are the ones currently under attack from the crazy left wing nuts.
Interesting. I just looked it up - I'll delve a bit deeper into it. Can you explain to me in layman's some of the Libertarian beliefs?
 

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Bullshit.
The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born.
The left want to dominate people by state power, just like your socialist buddy over in Venezuela.
The left want to disarm civilians so the state can have a total power monopoly over the people.
The left like to kill their own people, by the millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc etc.
Black lives matter wants to kill police, like they did in Texas.
The left pushed Eugenics in the USA.
The Democrats are the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow laws.
I bet you would make a great little guard at a re-education camp wouldnt you?
A typical litany of distortions, unspoken false assumptions, half-truths and outright lies.

A brilliant parody, comrade.:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
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Anyone else see the names as part of the problem? Using the terms right/left because of some bullshit 'spectrum' is troubling to me.

The way I see it; most on the left have little in common with the far left. Most on the right have little in common with the far right/alt right. Maybe we need to really look at the names to avoid some of this shit-flinging. I've said it a few times; at this point I really can't see either side as the be-all-end-all. In the last week I've been called a right-winger AND a left-winger.
Exactly. And most people here are either ignorantly or stupidly doing exactly what the terrorist wants - further retreat into political tribal groups to divide them even further, spurring more hate and more extreme reactions. Most people give terrorists exactly what they want and deliver it in spades. It's dumb as shit.
 

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I refuse to watch it. Sorry that you're feeling so shitty man. I wasn't right for weeks after watching that ******* Russian Hammer Video years ago!
Watched it and it's not that graphic considering the toll, but then again, I have a stomach for such things.

I didn't identify any children or women up until the last kill which was a woman on the street.

The gunman audibly makes the comment that there weren't any women present in the mosque( I assume he intended to kill them also/or specifically)
 

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I didn't really take it seriously after ...
"The left deny basic science that there are only two sexs.
The left believe in killing children including after they are born"
It's a typical angle from someone who thinks their race is superior and therefore they are allowed to spread a bit of fake news to spice up their 'side' lol bigfooty needs a third party to overhaul the rules,people have been getting away with hate speech here for years.
Fair enough! Do you think those people - the deniers of gender biology etc - don't exist? Or do you believe they're too small a minority to be classified as 'left'? This shit is super interesting!
 

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You've essentially mirrored an element of the attitudes of the Islamic fundamentalists & right wing nutjobs who've got us into this mess in the first place.

It should be completely up to other people how they live their lives. Why he wants to watch the video is his business, not yours. The moment you try imposing your moral standards and worldview on other people, that's when the problems start. Human herd mentality & tribalism are the causes here.
Actually I too agree with Socrates2, police, NZ Gov and Senior officials have all asked that it not be watched or shared.

Maybe out of respect for families/friends of the victims or impressionable children?
 

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If you don't want to watch the video for your own reasons, don't. If others do, that's their democratic right. Stop forcing your choices onto others or attempting to ostracize them because their perspective and moral compass differs from your own. Take a lesson out of this tragedy - live and let live.




More words spent on you would be words wasted.
"It's their democratic right", no it's not the video is illegal now.Why do you think people want to watch this or other snuff videos mate.Cmon give me the freedom of speech line which quickly leads to 'right to be a bigot' and then everyone should be able to have a machine gun at 18yo.We're in Australia mate, don't let the Rwnj Republican party of the usa effect your thinking. Maybe you can start a webpage to fight for the rights of people who want to watch snuff videos.
 

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Exactly. And most people here are either ignorantly or stupidly doing exactly what the terrorist wants - further retreat into political tribal groups to divide them even further, spurring more hate and more extreme reactions. Most people give terrorists exactly what they want and deliver it in spades. It's dumb as shit.
How then does someone criticise white nationalism? An ideology with a core set of beliefs.
 
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