Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

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Exactly. And most people here are either ignorantly or stupidly doing exactly what the terrorist wants - further retreat into political tribal groups to divide them even further, spurring more hate and more extreme reactions. Most people give terrorists exactly what they want and deliver it in spades. It's dumb as shit.
It's interesting. My interest in this stuff has really only been born in the last couple of months; and even then it's very limited as I refuse to participate in Twitter/Facebook etc - I loathe most (anti)social media.

I never realised just how much of a sport this political debate is. People seem to stick their feet in the wet concrete for so long that it dries; then they're stuck firmly in their ground with no room to wiggle. I see a lot wrong on both sides; and both sides swear the other is worse. I don't want to tell either they're 100% wrong as I know **** all and they both also have merit. Colour me intrigued though. I'd love to mediate a chat between these opposing views.
 
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How then does someone criticise white nationalism? An ideology with a core set of beliefs.
The same way you do now. Thats not the problem - it's the way people either implicitly or explicitly conflate conservative values with white nationalist ones. Everyone is a Nazi etc. It's just not true, but that's what the nutter wants.
 

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Apologies for being unclear. Cleric accused the left of denying biology when it comes to gender. I was wondering if you're saying that; these people don't exist and his point is moot, OR that these people aren't aligned with the left, OR that you yourself have a certain belief on gender?

Is that any clearer? I know what I'm trying to say - sometimes I don't put out my thoughts clearly. :p
 
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Watched it and it's not that graphic considering the toll, but then again, I have a stomach for such things.

I didn't identify any children or women up until the last kill which was a woman on the street.

The gunman audibly makes the comment that there weren't any women present in the mosque( I assume he intended to kill them also/or specifically)
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Maybe out of respect for families/friends of the victims or impressionable children?
Yep I completely understand that way of looking at it but some people will choose to watch the clip anyway and as far as I'm concerned that's their right. I very much doubt the NZ government has the power to make the footage "illegal" and throw people in prison for viewing it.

Living in a free society means giving people the freedom to do or say things you don't agree with. Terrorist attacks always prompt knee-jerk reactions where people want to shut down our personal freedoms to improve their own fractured sense of security and traumatized feelings but in a sense the best way to combat Terrorism is by becoming an even more free and open society than we already are. That's usually exactly what terrorists don't want.
 

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I've heard it is now illegal to share it in NZ. They do have some specific laws regarding such things.
Fair enough. Without being an expert, I imagine any law they make is only applicable to NZ residents and hosting services within that country.
 
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Got a sauce for this claim?
Not sure on the current status if caught sharing

New Zealand’s interior ministry said the video is likely to be classified as objectionable content under local law, and could be illegal to share.

“The content of the video is disturbing and will be harmful for people to see,” he said. “This is a very real tragedy with real victims and we strongly encourage people to not share or view the video.”

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/new-zealand-mosque-attack-police-urge-public-not-to-share-videos/
 

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Watched it and it's not that graphic considering the toll, but then again, I have a stomach for such things.

I didn't identify any children or women up until the last kill which was a woman on the street.

The gunman audibly makes the comment that there weren't any women present in the mosque( I assume he intended to kill them also/or specifically)
I was expecting him to kick one of those internal doors down and to find a bunch of women in their own room, mercifully that wasn't the case.
 

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The same way you do now. Thats not the problem - it's the way people either implicitly or explicitly conflate conservative values with white nationalist ones. Everyone is a Nazi etc. It's just not true, but that's what the nutter wants.
I have read every single page of this thread, and not seen that.

Posters have gone to great detail to point out which views are identical to that of the shooter. It's not your rational conservative ones. Our cultural identity is under grave threat. Muslims are incompatible with Australian values. White are being replaced. It is undeniable there are some posters who have these views.
 
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I was expecting him to kick one of those internal doors down and to find a bunch of women in their own room, mercifully that wasn't the case.
Frankly i'm surprised that there's 40 or so injured. All i saw was a slaughter. Maybe the 2nd location?
 

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Yep I completely understand that way of looking at it but some people will choose to watch the clip anyway and as far as I'm concerned that's their right. I very much doubt the NZ government has the power to make the footage "illegal" and throw people in prison for viewing it.

Living in a free society means giving people the freedom to do or say things you don't agree with. Terrorist attacks always prompt knee-jerk reactions where people want to shut down our personal freedoms to improve their own fractured sense of security and traumatized feelings but in a sense the best way to combat Terrorism is by becoming an even more free and open society than we already are. That's usually exactly what terrorists don't want.
I am not tryin to curtail anyone's freedom, personally I don't have any interest in watching nor reading his manifesto however not sure that I agree that by viewing it is doing anything but what the terrorists are after.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I haven't got the stomach for it, I cried watching the news about it.
 

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I have read every single page of this thread, and not seen that.

Posters have gone to great detail to point out which views are identical to that of the shooter. It's not your rational conservative ones. Our cultural identity is under grave threat. Muslims are incompatible with Australian values. White are being replaced. It is undeniable there are some posters who have these views.
Not just talking about the discourse on here - every social media political pundit is doing the same thing online. "This was horrible and our thoughts and prayers are with the victims' loved ones. (Also, **** anyone who doesn't vote the same as me)".

Haven't read everything here but I am pretty sure I spotted someone calling Trump a white nationalist and implying he has some responsibility here, which by extension is an attack on anyone who voted for him. Just a lazy 50% of the American population...
 

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Haven't read everything here but I am pretty sure I spotted someone calling Trump a white nationalist and implying he has some responsibility here, which by extension is an attack on anyone who voted for him. Just a lazy 50% of the American population...
Lots of white nationalists not only endorsed him, but enthusiastically saw him as their guy.
 

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Lol ,have you written all girls are sluts on the side of your car yet? Or call a women in your workplace a slut yet, because that is what yr fighting for.
Have you written, all humans must die to save the planet on your car yet? Or all men must castrate themselves?
That's what you are fighting for. I just want to be left alone, and I'm happy to leave you alone.
 
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