Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

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Four Muslim men flew planes into the World Trade Centre (a place seen as a capitalist monument, where people were doing business and making a lot of money, (things Lefties like yourself hate, a building where it is highly probable that a lot of Right-Wing conservatives work) on 9/11, and another plane tried to fly into "Airforce One" (carrying a Right-wing President), but it was averted by passengers.

I would say that is a case where Muslims (who Lefties love defending, no matter what they do) attacked Right-Wingers.

But, let's see you spin this into how it is a U.S. Government conspiracy, they paid Muslims to fly into the World Trade centre, and paint the four guys who did it as being completely innocent.

The Left can't condemn the Right and say that every right-wing person is culpable of this, while condemning Right-Wingers for generalising that all Muslims must be terrorists. Both generalisations are wrong.

BTW, as a Mod, you should be more balanced and down-the-line, and not mod according to the side you don't like. Moderators have to adhere to higher standards here than the rest of us.
Just making shit up as you go along. Bush was on the ground in an elementary school during 9/11 you dunce.

Here's the photographic proof that you're a liar. Bush being told about 9/11 while reading to school children in Emma E. Booker Elementary School, Florida. United Airlines Flight 93 was heading towards Washington DC when it was diverted and crashed in Stonycreek Township, Pennsylvania.

 
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I agree we are different.

I disagree those differences are due to 'biological race'.

Scientific consensus backs me up. When it backs you up I'll change my views.
I don't think people are genetically predisposed to behavior, but there are absolutely differences biologically that make certain groups of people more susceptible to things such sickle cell anaemia or another group who have a particular pair of genes that when one is aligned makes them very difficult to infect with HIV and when both align makes them resilient to it.

This is why medical forms should still ask you what gender you were born and what ethnic group you come from.
 

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Where we are from is a social construct.
I'd say Aboriginals living here for 40,000+ years fully justifies them feeling like they are "from" Australia most than most people wouldn't you?

You can go on about us all being made from stardust or having evolved from common ancestors in Africa 100,000 years ago, but none of that is terribly relate-able on anything but a dry academic level, nor can you expect it to have much bearing on the identities we give ourselves. I don't see people lining up at zoos to hold heart-to-heart dialogues with our common ancestors Chimpanzees for instance, instead most people regard them no different from other apes.

Of course as human beings we separate ourselves into groups because doing so gives us a shared identity and helps us feel secure, and also facilitates our greatest hobby of going to war with members of opposing tribes. I agree these are largely social constructs but would also argue biological factors exist, unless you mean to argue that from the point humans spread out of Africa all human evolution immediately stopped, when plainly it did not.

Its funny because these days everyone's horrified at the prospect of humans organizing themselves along racial lines, religious lines, class lines, gender lines..... we really aren't leaving too many possibilities are we?
 

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Twitter is one of the most politically-oriented platforms there is on social media, and there's and abundance of examples on there from people labelling Candace Owens responsible because she was named as a troll in the manifesto to people continuing to push the "PewDiePie is a white nationalist" narrative because of the terrorist using the meme as he started the rampage. Every conservative pundit - particularly American - who has expressed their condolences has got replies trying to blame them and/or their political POV. This is the current climate from both sides, and it's shit.

There's already articles talking about this problem and the issues with media narratives:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/15/how-the-christchurch-shooter-played-the-worlds-media/
I don't know the person you mentioned nor PewDiePie and the media I get as it sells, but surely we expect more from our politicians at least to set the standard.

Reading that article, isn't that playing into his hands by sharing the video and the manifesto?

At the center of the shooter’s media strategy was a sordid video: a 17-minute film broadcast live from a camera mounted to his military-style helmet. It showed the suspect in real time as he drove his Subaru to his target, walked up to the mosque, and began shooting.

His followers knew to tune in because he had advertised the shooting—and the fact that he would stream it live—on the message board site 8chan, an image-sharing site that prides itself on hosting content deemed too offensive for the internet’s other cesspools. Along with a link to his Facebook page, the shooter posted links to his 74-page manifesto spread across multiple sites so that other users of 8chan could grab a copy before the document was taken down. (8chan grew out of the similar site 4chan after some users of the latter thought it had become too hostile to highly offensive and hateful content.)


I also noticed tonight on the news that as he was being read his offences, he displayed the white power sign with his hand, again playing to his audience/followers. Had his face blurred so as not to influence potential jurors, think it may be too late for that.

This is really difficult to get ones head around, senseless violence.

I was also surprised how short he was.
 

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The united states is an interesting experiment in gun control compared to carry areas. The gun free zones have the mass shootings.
A myth and just one of the run-of-the-mill talking points getting paddled by the right winged media

I do love your shtick though, you are clearly very covert and very sly about it, but everything you post is just the standard run of the mill parroting of right wing media talking points, but you dress it up with more roundabout wordy language to hide the fact that you are no different to an Andrew Bolt. I dunno whether you're just too cowardly to come out as who you really are or you are just sly
 

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I don't watch or read mainstream media. They're all left wing nutjobs like you whose sole purpose is to brainwash people and tell them what they should and shouldn't do.
No one's telling you what to do, if you want to watch a propagana snuff movie go for it, just dont spread it though big footy.
 

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Snake you're an old man with old ideas, the kids of today have no problem tolerating all types of people.Live and let live mate.What's the big deal about transvestites and multi-sexual people, I don't give a shit what they do.Who gives a shit if you have to put a third toilet in a school ?That is unless your an intolerant 'religious' person quoting from a book written by 25 different people 2000 years ago!
You're a genuinely stupid individual. You have added nothing but mindless cliched drivel throughout this entire discussion.

This is the problem with identity group politics, people like you get to hide in the shadows.
 

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A myth and just one of the run-of-the-mill talking points getting paddled by the right winged media

I do love your shtick though, you are clearly very covert and very sly about it, but everything you post is just the standard run of the mill parroting of right wing media talking points, but you dress it up with more roundabout wordy language to hide the fact that you are no different to an Andrew Bolt. I dunno whether you're just too cowardly to come out as who you really are or you are just sly
FBI estimates the number of shootings prevented by other people with a gun at over 30,000 per year.
 

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I don't think people are genetically predisposed to behavior, but there are absolutely differences biologically that make certain groups of people more susceptible to things such sickle cell anaemia or another group who have a particular pair of genes that when one is aligned makes them very difficult to infect with HIV and when both align makes them resilient to it.

This is why medical forms should still ask you what gender you were born and what ethnic group you come from.
Human-being have less genetic diversity across our species than chimpanzees.
 

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I don't know the person you mentioned nor PewDiePie and the media I get as it sells, but surely we expect more from our politicians at least to set the standard.

Reading that article, isn't that playing into his hands by sharing the video and the manifesto?

At the center of the shooter’s media strategy was a sordid video: a 17-minute film broadcast live from a camera mounted to his military-style helmet. It showed the suspect in real time as he drove his Subaru to his target, walked up to the mosque, and began shooting.

His followers knew to tune in because he had advertised the shooting—and the fact that he would stream it live—on the message board site 8chan, an image-sharing site that prides itself on hosting content deemed too offensive for the internet’s other cesspools. Along with a link to his Facebook page, the shooter posted links to his 74-page manifesto spread across multiple sites so that other users of 8chan could grab a copy before the document was taken down. (8chan grew out of the similar site 4chan after some users of the latter thought it had become too hostile to highly offensive and hateful content.)

I also noticed tonight on the news that as he was being read his offences, he displayed the white power sign with his hand, again playing to his audience/followers. Had his face blurred so as not to influence potential jurors, think it may be too late for that.

This is really difficult to get ones head around, senseless violence.

I was also surprised how short he was.
Owens was named specifically by the guy in his manifesto. She is an African-American conservative pundit. PewDiePie is the most popular YouTuber who plays video games.

Regarding the sharing of the video - I'm not advocating that it should be OK at all. Was just throwing a thought-bubble out there regarding using the video as a disincentive. I think that unless you have a genuine reason to watch the video or read the manifesto (for critical commentary / journalism / study) then there's probably no need. I get the morbid curiosity thing and don't hold it against anyone, but it's really not worth giving in to that desire IMO.
 

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Both the terms “left wing” and “terrorist” were coined for the exact same group: Robespierre’s Jacobins. Guillotined 40,000 people in revolutionary terror in what was the presage to the horrors of 20th century: mass mechanized killing.
Didn’t the terms left and right wing simple emerge for seating arrangements for the French National Assembly in that time. The moderates sat on one side and the more revolutionary on the other. And fair enough too.
 

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FBI estimates the number of shootings prevented by other people with a gun at over 30,000 per year.
Clearly the solution to preventing the other 50k plus gun deaths every year, just more guns

Or you can be Australia, just have no mass shootings because our gun laws are good. No Aussies preventing gun crime with guns though, clearly our system doesn't work

I still love how after I pointed you as a cowardly Andrew Bolt, you decided to prove my point by parroting yet another US right wing media talking point though, thanks for proving my point
 

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The greatest level of genetic diversity is within the African continent.
So do you believe that you can I guess 'rank' people by their genetics? Everyone believes that yes we are all genetically different but I dont really see what that has to do with the conversations we are having.
 

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Clearly the solution to preventing the other 50k plus gun deaths every year, just more guns

Or you can be Australia, just have no mass shootings because our gun laws are good. No Aussies preventing gun crime with guns though, clearly our system doesn't work

I still love how after I pointed you as a cowardly Andrew Bolt, you decided to prove my point by parroting yet another US right wing media talking point though, thanks for proving my point
...Australia has had a mass shooting in the last 12 months
 

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So do you believe that you can I guess 'rank' people by their genetics? Everyone believes that yes we are all genetically different but I dont really see what that has to do with the conversations we are having.
Hell no. Aside from acute generations of fetal alcohol syndrome, I think a child born anywhere could be raised anywhere with the same expectations on it.
 

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I am not tryin to curtail anyone's freedom, personally I don't have any interest in watching nor reading his manifesto however not sure that I agree that by viewing it is doing anything but what the terrorists are after.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I haven't got the stomach for it, I cried watching the news about it.
Yep. I am pretty sure the media would serve our community better by not giving so much publicity to these people. Pay respect to the victims and ignore the perpetrators-it’s always the same old story in any case- I don’t have to read about it to know it was yet another ignorant man with a weapon doing damage to humanity. So shan’t read any of it.
 

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...Australia has had a mass shooting in the last 12 months
No we don't, we haven't had a single gun-related homicide where 5 or more people died, which is what is classified as a mass shooting

The idiotic notions that more guns stop gun crime is just that, idiotic. Luckily New Zealand is about to change their gun laws at the face of this tragedy, so at least they are more clear headed and sane compare to you
 
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