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Yes and no. There is an argument that Rupert has normalised the right wing and shifted the centre. But then there is the argument that this sort of thing is actually driven by the internet, through people finding a like-minded community somewhere in the ether and then radicalising themselves through online interaction. That bit might have happened anyway without Rupert.
I don’t think Murdoch had much influence over the political environment of Norway, which is what this attack is most similar too.
 

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Scomo and Mathew Guy were fanning the flames of fear at the last election, there's no doubt some politicians and the gun lobby bear some moral culpability for the direction society is going.
Not from what I've read in the guy's manifesto. The guy is so far right that he despises Conservatives 'for being so weak'. He believes Trump was 'a beacon of hope in the West' but then goes on to state that he is a bad leader puppet of sorts, so he isn't even fully supporting of Trump which says a lot. He states and refers to himself as an eco-fascist. So with the given facts in his manifesto, it appears to me that he was not at all influenced by any mainstream political party.

It's convenient to play the blame game after the fact, but it doesn't really solve anything and it is exactly what he would want us to do to create division.
 

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No? The Liberal-National Coalition currently hold majority in the Parliament of Australia, so they would be the government. If you want to be really specific, the members of the executive in the Coalition are they real power holders.

Pauline Hanson has little influence over the governance of Australia, providing a confidence vote to the govt if need be but she is largely irrelevant.
Getting a bit off topic but One Nation casts an influential vote, we see that the party voted with the Coalition 86% of the time. Therefore I daresay that the LNP wouldn't be able to govern without the support of ON. So they are quite powerful and are part of the decision making process.

What do you think they get in return for their support? Well here is one...Almost got a motion through for 'okay to be white' before the Libs realised the consequences of that motion.
 

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Not from what I've read in the guy's manifesto. The guy is so far right that he despises Conservatives 'for being so weak'. He believes Trump was 'a beacon of hope in the West' but then goes on to state that he is a bad leader puppet of sorts, so he isn't even fully supporting of Trump which says a lot. He states and refers to himself as an eco-fascist. So with the given facts in his manifesto, it appears to me that he was not at all influenced by any mainstream political party.

It's convenient to play the blame game after the fact, but it doesn't really solve anything and it is exactly what he would want us to do to create division.
I wouldn't be drawing any conclusions from his manifesto ,it's a proganda troll the experts are saying.There's no doubt that right wing politicians, Murdoch 'journalists' and Alan Jones types have been fanning the flames of intolerance and you can't deny that.
 

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Hmmm, so when our real Australian government blamed Bill Shorten for them having to reopen Christmas Island, what happened there? Why didn’t our Australian government step up?

But... Speaking of the Coalition Party, what were their views? I thought ASIO warned them?



I thought the Senate was part of the legislative arm of The Australian Government...?
Ideally speaking, the government is whoever has the most seats, meaning they can votes bills into the Senate with their electoral majority.

You're saying that somehow the entire government of Australia engineered this terrorists act (which is an act of war) all because of Pauline Hanson.

Holding 2 out of 76 seats in the Senate does not make you the 'government'.

What?
 

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I wouldn't be drawing any conclusions from his manifesto ,it's a proganda troll the experts are saying.There's no doubt that right wing politicians, Murdoch 'journalists' and Alan Jones types have been fanning the flames of intolerance and you can't deny that.
The manifesto is all we have into the insight of this person. No one just writes a 74-page manifesto to troll. Anyway, yeah I agree with the last statement but the terrorist has his ideological roots far deeper than that, that's just what I am saying.
 

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The manifesto is all we have into the insight of this person. No one just writes a 74-page manifesto to troll. Anyway, yeah I agree with the last statement but the terrorist has his ideological roots far deeper than that, that's just what I am saying.
There is quite of bit of trolling in the manifesto
 

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There is quite of bit of trolling in the manifesto
That just his personality I imagine. He is a young person writing a political manifesto I wouldn't imagine it being the most professional piece of writing. What you have me wondering now is why these experts would want to denounce the manifesto as being a troll. Perhaps they don't want people to look into it and somehow become converted.
 

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I think this is where we start to realise this doesn't happen in isolation.

The extreme right has been around for generations but nothing much happened, supporters were low in numbers but have exploded since local Islamic terrorism.

We can't just go hard against the extreme right without dealing with extreme Islam.
We literally started and is still in a war against extreme Islam.
 
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Ideally speaking, the government is whoever has the most seats, meaning they can votes bills into the Senate with their electoral majority.

You're saying that somehow the entire government of Australia engineered this terrorists act (which is an act of war) all because of Pauline Hanson.

Holding 2 out of 76 seats in the Senate does not make you the 'government'.

What?
I don’t know Nationals had an issue with membership recently.

There are conservative members of The Liberal Party who have been forthright with their views.

There’s this bloke Anning. ‘Nuff said?

You already agree Hanson is allowed to spout hate speech in Parliament House as part of her employment as an Australian senator.

ASIO had to write to a few members of parliament telling them to tone down the robust language.

Based on their views, what were they hoping would be the outcome?
1) love and respect
2) fear and hatred

No link whatsoever?
 

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There's no doubt the Murdoch press has been using race to sell newspapers, vilify racial groups and embolden racists. Sky news often has racist guests and spouts racist ideas. Sky and the Australian are basically making decisions for the far right of the liberal party. Bolt is another rascist disgrace.There's no doubt the Murdoch press has been running the 'it's ok to be racist vibe' for a while now.
I'm certainly not disputing what you say, but both sides of politics have been doing that for ages.

The Guardian, for example, has used race to sell newspapers for as long as anyone.
 
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