Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

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Balls In said:
Me "far right" and as dangerous as fundamental Islam?
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I think the far right (Nazism, Fascism and similar) are far more dangerous than fundamental Islam. As bad as ISIS were (and are) the Nazis were worse.

I'm just saying they're both expressions of far right/ conservative views. With identical results when put into practice.

And It was more of a question about your political views. You've previously expressed support (fervent support even) for a number of right wing to far right wing political positions, and have repeatedly slagged off 'the left'.

I just presumed this meant you were [Right to far right]. Somewhere in the Pauline Hanson/ Fraser Anning spectrum.
 
Jello_B said:
I thought men were the fault?
How about it’s not that.
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I hate to break it to you, but the shooter was a bloke.

Just like they almost always are when this s**t happens in like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of cases.

If women were going postal and murdering people all the time in those sorts of numbers (and 99.9999999999999999999999999 percent of mass killers were women), you'd be the first to argue they should never have access to guns (at a minimum).
 

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Malifice said:
Fixed that for you. You dont identify something thats s**t, and then embrace it. You work towards making it better.

Presume for a second we could actually form ethnically nationalist States without somehow resorting to genocide.

How does even that remove the problem? How long before 'they' become a threat to 'us' and the genocide happens anyway?
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So you’re going to abolish Fernwood?
 
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion is obscene
Religion is a whore
 
Mike Smyth said:
Seek help mate.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone but that's why I asked if anyone saw Morrison and got the same feeling as I got. He looked really creepy!

You look at the NZ Prime Minister and all the others on telli who spoke about the atrocities and they looked very sombre. Morrison looked like "oh well, s**t happens". It just freaked me.
 
GG.exe said:
The entire go-pro footage that the killer posted on facebook can be found on youtube (still there right now).

It's horrific of course.

But, unlike many others who feel it should be censored from the internet, I actually think they should show it, because it rams home the horror of it, forcing people to truly hate violence.

Otherwise, people are sanitized. "gunman kills 40" no images/video, people don't realize and fob it off, just news of the day, aren't mentally scarred by the horror enough to spur on greater discussion of anti-violence and tolerance by all.
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Dunno mate. You couldnt pay me (realisticly an amount of money one dude has to offer) to watch that video, I feel being able to watch it is almost being sanitized to a horrific act which was unleashed yesterday. Difference of opinions on that
 
Ron The Bear said:
Not sure if this is the same footage.



Rambling? Yeah. Insincere? Perhaps, at a stretch. But mirthful? I think you're seeing what you want to see.
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I couldn't see the link you posted but to me but from what I saw on telli, it looked like it didn't matter at all to him. I watched other commentators, the NZ Prime Minister and many more and then I saw Morrison and I was aghast. I am not trying to be disrespectful. The **** blew me out! He looked more like one of those born again preachers this time than what I've ever seen him in the past. The best word I have to describe him is smarmy, just like those preachers asking you to trust and believe them.
 
biggiemediums said:
Because speaking racist thoughts let's other see who you really are. The proper punishments can be made - the proper authorities can be notified.

Hiding racism under the surface tends to push like minded ******s towards these toxic and vile sub-communities.
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i think people on either side of this tangent are in furious agreement with their disavowing of racist speech. ultimately 'racist speech should be stopped from becoming public' and 'punishing racist speech once it happens' both lead to the same outcomes, punished and hidden people.
in the spirit of equality, it's time to throw some money at de-radicalising white national-socialist type youth.
 
Northalives said:
I couldn't see the link you posted but to me but from what I saw on telli, it looked like it didn't matter at all to him. I watched other commentators, the NZ Prime Minister and many more and then I saw Morrison and I was aghast. I am not trying to be disrespectful. The **** blew me out! He looked more like one of those born again preachers this time than what I've ever seen him in the past. The best word I have to describe him is smarmy, just like those preachers asking you to trust and believe them.
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Good for you.
 

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Someone showed me the full video, obviously it is deeply harrowing. To be honest, 49 dead seems very low. I hear the number will rise quite a bit. I can't believe the amount of firepower he had.

I'm still yet to hear anything about the other 3 people, including one woman.
 
LeverPuller said:
We’ve got a problem where “information” has never been more available and people have never been more connected. And it’s starting to warp the collective world view as manipulators work on it.
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Information being widely available is a GOOD thing. Its the responsibility of individuals to learn how to filter out what isn't true or isn't worth reading.

This is a far healthier situation than past eras in which government & establishment media were able to filter non-conformist opinions via the prohibitive cost of airing them on any medium that reached a large audience. Now, everyone effectively has a voice and just because that's made us aware of how few voices are worth listening to doesn't mean silencing the vast bulk of the population like in past years is a better solution.

If people weren't being overwhelmed by the pace of life and the rapid changes that abound they'd much easier recognize this information age for the gift it truly is. I envy younger generations who have an easier time adapting and adopting all the new tech and benefit more from it than old farts like me.
 
Furn2 said:
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion is obscene
Religion is a whore
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Religion also gives meaning to people's lives, helps them find their sense of place in the world, comforts them during dark times and provides a community they can belong and relate to.
It is nothing but ignorant folly to suggest religion has only negative effects on society. You may regard the billions of religious souls on the planet as stupid but they aren't so stupid as to sign up to belief systems which confer no discernible benefits.

On the other hand the collective impact religions have on non-believers is something I do have issue with, along with the influence churches and faiths exert over government policies, which we see clearly enough through government handouts to Australian Catholic schools for instance.

I have no problem with religion provided people keep it to themselves and its kept out of politics. Which most of the time in Australia is exactly what happens.
 
NZ should send the shooter back to Australia, we have sent back many Kiwis that have broken laws here.

Why would NZ want him in their jails for the next 60 years?
 
A Cut Above said:
I have no problem with religion provided people keep it to themselves and its kept out of politics. Which most of the time in Australia is exactly what happens.
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Not sure if serious

Christians have asserted themselves in Australian government throughout the decades

You're basically asking religion not to do something that they have been famous for doing throughout history
 
A Cut Above said:
Information being widely available is a GOOD thing. Its the responsibility of individuals to learn how to filter out what isn't true or isn't worth reading.

This is a far healthier situation than past eras in which government & establishment media were able to filter non-conformist opinions via the prohibitive cost of airing them on any medium that reached a large audience. Now, everyone effectively has a voice and just because that's made us aware of how few voices are worth listening to doesn't mean silencing the vast bulk of the population like in past years is a better solution.

If people weren't being overwhelmed by the pace of life and the rapid changes that abound they'd much easier recognize this information age for the gift it truly is. I envy younger generations who have an easier time adapting and adopting all the new tech and benefit more from it than old farts like me.
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There’s a reason why I used the word information in quotation marks.

I agree that in theory more is better. But the internet means that legitimate and illegitimate sources sit side by side and it’s not easy to tell which is which. Coupled with our own selection biases where we are far more likely to engage with information that supports our world view and you find that misinformation pretty quickly jumps in importance for a lot of people.

It’s a serious challenge.
 
LeverPuller said:
There’s a reason why I used the word information in quotation marks.

I agree that in theory more is better. But the internet means that legitimate and illegitimate sources sit side by side and it’s not easy to tell which is which. Coupled with our own selection biases where we are far more likely to engage with information that supports our world view and you find that misinformation pretty quickly jumps in importance for a lot of people.

It’s a serious challenge.
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Nail on the head.

Because of our own bias, 90% of people on social media don't engage in conversation to educate themselves, but to defend or prove a point. When you pile on people with the lack of ability to communicate effectively and more aggressively, media fanning the flames of debate....people with severe mental health issues are cherry ripe to do some unspeakable acts.

I understand people don't want to live in a world where big brother is watching or their privacy MIGHT be under threat but there needs to be some common ground. It's amazing how much Facebook and Twitter goes unchecked.
 
quotemokc said:
All these people saying "this shouldn't have happened here", "not in New Zealand", "Not in Christchurch" etc

Where should it have happened?

(the obvious answer is nowhere)
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The tongue in cheek answer is somewhere where random violent death happens frequently, then it would have gone unnoticed
 
its free real estate said:
These events all predated the idea of multiculturalism. The success was in the expectation that you left your old culture behind to integrate.
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I thought multiculturalism as an idea was in the 80s (so overlaps the Vietnamese influx); I think it is time that works as 2nd generations integrate more via sharing schools and sports etc. it just the timescales are in order of 30-50 years
 
Tayl0r said:
Were there any Vietnamese schools or Italian schools when those immigrant groups came in? I'm all for people having the freedom to send their kids wherever they want but the cultural indoctrination of the children at school surrounded by established Australian students is where the immigrants become Australian.

They end up raising Australian children who look like them, but they are Australian.
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There were Chinese schools when I was a kid (early 80s) and other Greek kids would go to Greek school, although this was more a once a week few hours language focused (I think you may be getting at there weren’t schools that would replace role of primary/secondary school)
 
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