Christopher Pyne!!!

[pazza]

You should only go to uni if you get the marks to earn it.

Its not a right.

Agreed.

However, by turning universities into businesses, they will only select people who can afford it, which does nothing for the country as a whole.

University should be allowed to be accessible to anyone who has rightly earned it, no matter what ability to pay for the course is. It's not about making it free, it's making it equal to everyone.

 

[Danny Cullen]

University should be allowed to be accessible to anyone who has rightly earned it, no matter what ability to pay for the course is. It's not about making it free, it's making it equal to everyone.

All uni students are up for the same fees (scholarships excepted).

 

[Showbags]

All uni students are up for the same fees (scholarsips excepted).

Until Abbott deregulates uni fees, effectively creating haves and have not universities like in America. There will be unis that offer cheap degrees but these will be undervalued compared to the Harvards and Yales of the world (whose students are mainly from richer backgrounds).

This serves to further a class divide. Yes you may get some poorer people who slip through the cracks and get a scholarship to a Harvard type school (scholarships are often given to children with wealthy parents who make a donation to the school to ensure their child gets the scholarship). The poorer kids are shafted and are not given the same level of opportunity as those from rich backgrounds.

 

[Danny Cullen]

Until Abbott deregulates uni fees, effectively creating haves and have not universities like in America. There will be unis that offer cheap degrees but these will be undervalued compared to the Harvards and Yales of the world (whose students are mainly from richer backgrounds).

This serves to further a class divide. Yes you may get some poorer people who slip through the cracks and get a scholarship to a Harvard type school (scholarships are often given to children with wealthy parents who make a donation to the school to ensure their child gets the scholarship). The poorer kids are shafted and are not given the same level of opportunity as those from rich backgrounds.

WTF do you bring up Uni's in the US?

I've got the answer!! Do as well as you can in bloody high school.

Now put that in legislation.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I've never agreed with the terminology, which is over the top at best and outright false at worst.

Because it wasn't an entire generation which was stolen, was it?

I see your semantic point, but take it you don't disagree with the fact that what is commonly referred to as the stolen generation happened?

None were. The welfare of the children was first and foremost.

Wow, just wow. Thanks for the reaffirmation that i should not bother taking you seriously at all.

 

[Danny Cullen]

Wow, just wow. Thanks for the reaffirmation that i should not bother taking you seriously at all.

Give me an example and I might even give you the courtesy of listening to you.

Obviously another recent graduate of our education system.

 

[Showbags]

WTF do you bring up Uni's in the US?

I've got the answer!! Do as well as you can in bloody high school.

Now put that in legislation.

Because that is the system that Abbott and Pyne are hoping to take us to. Over in America it doesn't matter what results you get in high school. If your daddy is not a big player on Wall Street then you don't get a look in.

 

[Danny Cullen]

Because that is the system that Abbott and Pyne are hoping to take us to. Over in America it doesn't matter what results you get in high school. If your daddy is not a big player on Wall Street then you don't get a look in.

OK.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Give me an example and I might even give you the courtesy of listening to you.

Obviously another recent graduate of our education system.

Go for your life, and then come back and tell us it was a myth https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/bringing-them-home-stolen-children-report-1997

 

[Danny Cullen]

Go for your life, and then come back and tell us it was a myth https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/bringing-them-home-stolen-children-report-1997

Nice report.

 

[cartwright]

Agreed.

However, by turning universities into businesses, they will only select people who can afford it, which does nothing for the country as a whole.

University should be allowed to be accessible to anyone who has rightly earned it, no matter what ability to pay for the course is. It's not about making it free, it's making it equal to everyone.

#destroyingthejoint

 

[pazza]

All uni students are up for the same fees (scholarships excepted).

You me and the black stump know that universities will basically do what they like thanks to the legislation being brought in. That is their want as businesses.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Nice report.

Are you saying that significant amounts of aboriginal children weren't forcibly removed from their parents?

 

[Danny Cullen]

Are you saying that significant amounts of aboriginal children weren't forcibly removed from their parents?

Again, yep.

 

[Pessimistic]

It certainly happened and it didnt just happen to aboriginal kids. Its comprehensively documented which suggests those administering the scheme found it totally acceptable.

Its still happening on some countries where there is a market for human trafficking, and australians are a provider of funds for the market.

Didnt our PM call it winning the lottery of life ?

 

[Danny Cullen]

It certainly happened and it didnt just happen to aboriginal kids. Its comprehensively documented which suggests those administering the scheme found it totally acceptable.

Its still happening on some countries where there is a market for human trafficking, and australians are a provider of funds for the market.

Didnt our PM call it winning the lottery of life ?

Such emotive bulldust.

Rather kids live in squalour than have proper care.

Good for you.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Such emotive bulldust.

Rather kids live in squalour than have proper care.

Good for you.

I would think it's fair to call someone a racist ****wit if they really thought that taking children from a minority racial group from their parents, and culture by force is a good thing.

 

[Pessimistic]

Such emotive bulldust.

Rather kids live in squalour than have proper care.

Good for you.

Mostly used as defacto slave labour, both the so called stolen generation and the lost generation. But the kids as slaves is not unique. Its right through british history and current affairs in other countries.

The shocking part is it happening so recently, in so called affluent times


If something is supported by documentation, how can it be described as emotive ?

 

[pazza]

Meanwhile, Pyne still won't actually listen to the concerns of university students, who are the ones to be affect by any change...so much for being adult and consultative.

 

[swingdog]

Chrissy not having a good day:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...pher-pyne-sacked/story-fni0xqrb-1227264395742

 

[Juddism]

and then there was this!

 

[mellowyellow]

what a piss weak minister

 

[pazza]

The mincing poodle got bitten by a bigger dog.

 

[Maggie5]

His voice is getting shriekier (is that a word?), drives me crazy plus that smug face and '50's hair cut. Wonder what his next job will be?

 

[Pie eyed]

and then there was this!

Rofl. What a mental midget we have in Pyne. One of Abbott's elite arseclown. (plural)
Hard to believe the slimey little dog shit got a scholarship to do his honors in Smarm.