Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt2

[Kurve]

Here is Claremont Murders - Part One
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret ...? Unexplained trial mysteries & CSK Supreme Court cliffhangers

 

[the dark knight]

I am working but will keep an eye on the blogs and here.
Its been a long wait. I pray that the victims and their families see justice served.

I’ll be glued to my phone for updates mate.

 

[Gameova_]

Is he likely to be found guilty or not? Stopped following updates just after he was captured.

 

[Deva]

Here it is folks, being released on 6th January 2021.

 

[BFew]

Is he likely to be found guilty or not? Stopped following updates just after he was captured.

See the BigFooty thread poll at top of this thread.

Current Poll results (Poll not closed yet)
Total voters = 75
Not guilty on all (charges he is still currently pleading not guilty to) = 0 (0%)

Margin of error (see below)

 

[BFew]

BRE seems to own p9 of the West Australian newspaper.
Like yesterday, today he's got most of p9 to himself again.
A number usually reserved for some of the tail enders.
Maybe number 9 is Tim Clarke's favourite number.
He's on a hat trick now.
(With number 9 a triple hat trick)

The article includes (see Claremont Murders Media Thread for a copy of it)

a video of proceedings to to be put on the Supreme Court website for those who can’t attend.

I envisage that we won't have to register to get access to this video like we had to with the edited audio recordings of the last part of the trial.

Justice Hall’s written reasons, which are likely to stretch to hundreds of pages, will be available almost as soon as he is finished.

Hopefully "soon" = next Thursday afternoon (day of the verdict).

But the sentencing of Mr Edwards for crimes he has already admitted — and on the murder charges if found guilty — will almost certainly have to wait weeks, or maybe months.

Hopefully weeks and not months.

A prison insider has told The West Australian that Mr Edwards was likely to remain in Casuarina and could be housed in the prison’s special protection unit, for prisoners who are at special risk from the mainstream prisoner population.
But during his time on remand on the murder charges, Mr Edwards is said not to have been disruptive at all — which would seemingly rule out a bunk in the new “Supermax” section of the prison, which is slated to be completed by the end of 2022.

Do they really get to bunk up in "Supermax". 2 or more to a room?

 

[kingswood71]

I was trying to find a profile of the CSK from before BRE was arrested. Didn’t FBI specialists construct a profile? I’m having difficulty finding it online. If anyone could help it would be appreciated.

It was in a newspaper report at the time if I recall correctly. Was mentioned in an alternative site that we cant mention...
I will see what i can dig up

 

[BFew]

https://postnewspapers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/19092020.pdf

Today's just out weekly edition of the Post Newspaper's page 1 "D-DAY FOR EDWARDS" lead article, includes:

The POST, which has been reporting on the murders and a previous abduction and rape at Karrakatta Cemetery since they occurred, will publish full reports on the new developments in its next edition.

The paper’s coverage is expected to feature in the ABC’s 7.30 report on the night of the verdict.

I wonder if Bret will be live on the ABC TV 7.30 report next thursday night for commentary on the verdict?
Hopefully those of us not in WA will be able to watch it too somehow.

 

[JezzaPerth]

https://postnewspapers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/19092020.pdf

Today's just out weekly edition of the Post Newspaper's page 1 "D-DAY FOR EDWARDS" lead article, includes:



I wonder if Bret will be live on the ABC TV 7.30 report next thursday night for commentary on the verdict?
Hopefully those of us not in WA will be able to watch it too somehow.

I noticed this at the foot of today's Post article.


As I have mentioned before that is fully consistent with a private confession and it seems the Post has picked up on it as well.

There was a very half-hearted attempt at an alibi by hinting that he may have been with a wife or girlfirend on one of the occasions. It seemed to me to be sailing close to the wind, but as no actual alibi evidence was given the defence are in the clear if there was a confession.

 

[BFew]

Subscribers to the West Australian Newspaper's Claremont: The Trial newsletter, would have received an email this arvo which included what's in store for next Friday:

Don't miss the special edition of The West on Friday with a comprehensive analysis of the verdict in a special 16 page wrap of the newspaper that looks at the next steps and what the future holds for Mr Edwards.

 

[JezzaPerth]

Subscribers to the West Australian Newspaper's Claremont: The Trial newsletter, would have received an email this arvo which included what's in store for next Friday:

I don't need 16 pages of advertising bait to know what the next steps are and what the future holds.

The next steps are sentencing submissions and the sentencing. As a result of those BRE will be in pokey for at least a decade, or with luck for life never to be released.

Other next steps will be some 'startling revelations' teased out of course. Some Perth journalists will write books. And The West will try and spin it out as long as possible for more ad revenue.

 

[Kurve]

I don't need 16 pages of advertising bait to know what the next steps are and what the future holds.

The next steps are sentencing submissions and the sentencing. As a result of those BRE will be in pokey for at least a decade, or with luck for life never to be released.

Other next steps will be some 'startling revelations' teased out of course. Some Perth journalists will write books. And The West will try and spin it out as long as possible for more ad revenue.

Sentencing submissions should be almost as interesting as the verdicts.

 

[Eaglette01]

Channel 9 are advertising just now on tv "live cross from 9am" on Thursday morning.

I've been told there will be interesting "tv event" going to air the very same night Thurs 24 Sept on Channel 9 (after the news).

edit add:

 

[ms finch]

I was trying to find a profile of the CSK from before BRE was arrested. Didn’t FBI specialists construct a profile? I’m having difficulty finding it online. If anyone could help it would be appreciated.

Couple of things for you.
David Caldwell, a US Expert who gave an opinion after visitng
“This person is probably very bright, very much in control of himself, has all of the outward appearances of a very stable person.

"This is probably a very pleasant, normal appearing person.

"I daresay that when this guy is arrested, I guarantee that people are going to be absolutely astounded.

"They're gonna say, 'I worked with this guy. He's my next-door neighbour. Surely it can't be?'"

Claremont killer trial LIVE: US serial killer expert called to Ciara's crime scene to profile murderer

This week it is expected the court will continue to hear from mortuary staff and police who were present for the examinations of Jane and Ciara's bodies.

www.google.com.au

This article talks about the FBI profiler linking KK to the CSK: https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

 

[JezzaPerth]

Channel 9 are advertising just now on tv "live cross from 9am" on Thursday morning.

I've been told there will be interesting "tv event" going to air the very same night Thurs 24 Sept on Channel 9 (after the news).

All the more reason to go to the Supreme Court rather than District Court. Plus they will miss the ruckus outside the District Court. Everyone who is anyone will be inside before 9am if not by 8am.

The evening TV event? Yawn.

 

[JezzaPerth]

Couple of things for you.
David Caldwell, a US Expert who gave an opinion after visitng
“This person is probably very bright, very much in control of himself, has all of the outward appearances of a very stable person.

He's no Ted Bundy for sure. He's stayed in the same job for life without any real advancement. He only got the job in the first place because his father already worked for Telecom Australia.

As for being a very stable person, I don't think running around Huntingdale in a kimono with women's undies on his head is particularly stable. In fact it's downright manic.
Plus his Huntingdale Hospital episode is yet another example of being unstable.

His family would have been acutely aware he was not normal.

 

[Kurve]

He's no Ted Bundy for sure. He's stayed in the same job for life without any real advancement. He only got the job in the first place because his father already worked for Telecom Australia.

As for being a very stable person, I don't think running around Huntingdale in a kimono with women's undies on his head is particularly stable. In fact it's downright manic.
Plus his Huntingdale Hospital episode is yet another example of being unstable.

His family would have been acutely aware he was not normal.

We might get something of a juvenile record and medical history through sentencing. I'll be astonished if there's nothing of significance there.

 

[ms finch]

We might get something of a juvenile record and medical history through sentencing. I'll be astonished if there's nothing of significance there.

Anything juvenile or medical may be suppressed, especially if any revelation impacts others (eg another juvenile was a victim).

 

[ms finch]

He's no Ted Bundy for sure. He's stayed in the same job for life without any real advancement. He only got the job in the first place because his father already worked for Telecom Australia.

As for being a very stable person, I don't think running around Huntingdale in a kimono with women's undies on his head is particularly stable. In fact it's downright manic.
Plus his Huntingdale Hospital episode is yet another example of being unstable.

His family would have been acutely aware he was not normal.

I still struggle with the fact that there was nothing done in Telstra about the HH attack. He did that in the course of his work FFS. My partner, who worked for a telco, says that because it was the public service at that point they couldn’t sack him unless he got a serious jail term. His curiosity is whether he was allowed to continue working around people in organisations or transferred into an area where he was simply working on infrastructure.

 

[BFew]

His curiosity is whether he was allowed to continue working around people in organisations or transferred into an area where he was simply working on infrastructure.

And how did he get to work around so many children and teenagers at WA Little Athletics for so many years without someone saying something to get him banned from doing this?

 

[JezzaPerth]

I still struggle with the fact that there was nothing done in Telstra about the HH attack. He did that in the course of his work FFS. My partner, who worked for a telco, says that because it was the public service at that point they couldn’t sack him unless he got a serious jail term. His curiosity is whether he was allowed to continue working around people in organisations or transferred into an area where he was simply working on infrastructure.

I got the impression he stopped being a linesman - if he ever was one - and specialised in exchange equipment, PBX, as well as data. At HH he was there to work on their PBX.

He did have a company vehicle so it's clear he did travel to sites and would have met members of the public long after HH.

 

[ms finch]

And how did he get to work around so many children and teenagers at WA Little Athletics for so many years without someone saying something to get him banned from doing this?

I often wonder if people did speak up but were ignored. I’m sure you know the drill: someone says something but others defend the person because they appear normal and helpful and ultimately the person (or people) making the accusation are the ones ostracised. Or the fear of that stops people from coming forward. In my experience, people are pretty rubbish in these situations (I have been the person who has spoken out).

Alternatively, perhaps in that sphere there was nothing untoward. The information now about HH, which was on record at the time, and other things, makes that seem impossible. But how many people were aware of that then? People closest to perpetrators who know things often don’t speak out, for many reasons.

 

[Kurve]

Anything juvenile or medical may be suppressed, especially if any revelation impacts others (eg another juvenile was a victim).

It might but the Huntingdale victim whose identity has been successfully suppressed was a minor at the time.

Had he been caught for that particular crime, it's my understanding that any juvenile offences up to five years prior as a matter of course would have streamed into and been taken into consideration at sentencing.

IMO by the time he broke into the Huntingdale victim's house at 19yo, wearing stolen lingerie and carrying pre-prepared knotted stockings, yanking the phone out of the wall and attacking her in her bed, he was already a very confident, experienced burglar and predator. That doesn't happen overnight.

 

[ms finch]

It might but the Huntingdale victim whose identity has been successfully suppressed was a minor at the time.

Had he been caught for that particular crime, it's my understanding that any juvenile offences up to five years prior as a matter of course would have streamed into and been taken into consideration at sentencing.

IMO by the time he broke into the Huntingdale victim's house at 19yo, wearing stolen lingerie and carrying pre-prepared knotted stockings, yanking the phone out of the wall and attacking her in her bed, he was already a very confident, experienced burglar and predator. That doesn't happen overnight.

I agree 100% that it’s highly unlikely that the 1988 Huntingdale assault was his first activity of that nature. It seems far too planned and organized to be something that either happened on the spur of the moment or was a first attempt.

I am not only interested in what people have to say about their experiences outside of what we officially know; I am interested in whether there are other things that may actually lead to charges. I would usually assume Macro would have looked at this extensively, but maybe not given the extreme pressure to focus on the trial. Of course there is the fact that evidence may have been lost, such as in the case of the woman and the purple satin dress.

And I wonder if people were protecting him. What Jezza said about him going around with undies on his head, and other things we have been made aware of - there has got to be other stuff that was known about and ignored, deliberately or otherwise.

I should also clarify that while I think the judge may take the entire history into account for sentencing, I am not sure we’ll ever know about juvenile matters. And the judge may order suppression of certain things simply to protect the victims.

 

[Kurve]

I agree 100% that it’s highly unlikely that the 1988 Huntingdale assault was his first activity of that nature. It seems far too planned and organized to be something that either happened on the spur of the moment or was a first attempt.

I am not only interested in what people have to say about their experiences outside of what we officially know; I am interested in whether there are other things that may actually lead to charges. I would usually assume Macro would have looked at this extensively, but maybe not given the extreme pressure to focus on the trial. Of course there is the fact that evidence may have been lost, such as in the case of the woman and the purple satin dress.

And I wonder if people were protecting him. What Jezza said about him going around with undies on his head, and other things we have been made aware of - there has got to be other stuff that was known about and ignored, deliberately or otherwise.

I should also clarify that while I think the judge may take the entire history into account for sentencing, I am not sure we’ll ever know about juvenile matters. And the judge may order suppression of certain things simply to protect the victims.

There's likely a host of other charges that may have been exposed through the investigation post arrest but they will probably fall away or be beyond statutes and only the most serious prosecuted, to conviction hopefully.

It's not necessary to identify victims on raising juvenile offending and I'm just not sure in these circumstances of such serious crimes, with such an obvious pattern of escalation over many years and the range in his repeat offending that it could be kept hidden.

This one will be studied for a long time and it can't be done without the whole story.

 

[Kurve]

And I wonder if people were protecting him. What Jezza said about him going around with undies on his head, and other things we have been made aware of - there has got to be other stuff that was known about and ignored, deliberately or otherwise.

Earlier in the thread there was a lot of discussion about whether he actually was identified through the prowler series and it was brushed aside as 'just a stage he was going through' and/or protected.

It's hard to believe nobody knew Bradley was the prowler.