Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

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Nobody knows who it was or if they do, they're not saying but the implication was that he was with another female.

OMG.Where was this mentioned? It rings a bell but only just. Was it to do with being on a date or something.
 

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OMG.Where was this mentioned? It rings a bell but only just. Was it to do with being on a date or something.

Iirc it was in Bret Christian's book and as per mrskafoops post back a bit but the possibility that the killer had visited the victims gravesites was hinted at in The Devil's Garden by Debi Marshall so that might have been information Debi had received confidentially and couldn't directly go to print with.
 

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Just finished Stalking claremont. I wish it did not have to be written but it is a detailed very well written book. My heart Broke again for Lisa , Sarah, Jane and Ciara's families as well of course do all the other victims. The convicted killer is a monster, I hate every part of him. I do have a new level of empathy for LW And PW Along with SR. Can't imagine how it would feel with all the accusations thrown at these men. Really hope one day Sarah's remains are found although I guess it's unlikely as 26 years have passed and even more unlikely the convicted Killer comes clean and I don't think he will ever admit his guilt being the CSK . I would suggest that if you haven't read this book it is well worth a read. Will go back and read people view's and thoughts as am still a newbie when it comes to online forums.
 

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People were writing about hoping that a drama or doco would be in good taste. The Colin Pitchfork dramatization is quite effective and well done (he murdered two teenage girls in rural Leicestershire in the mid-1980s and was caught by DNA). I saw the documentary first before reading the book The Blooding by Joseph Wambaugh and details were very consistent across both sources.

 

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I saw the documentary first before reading the book The Blooding by Joseph Wambaugh and details were very consistent across both sources.

That brings back good memories of sitting waiting on the step for a ride home from my grandies bookstore with a pile of books to take home and read. The Blooding by Wambaugh was in it as one of the first crime books I'd read.
 

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That brings back good memories of sitting waiting on the step for a ride home from my grandies bookstore with a pile of books to take home and read. The Blooding by Wambaugh was in it as one of the first crime books I'd read.

I'm 95% through reading it - it really makes you sad as it recounts Pitchfork describing the murders in detail in his police interviews.

Did you know Pitchfork got released on parole and then was put back in prison after he had been seen trying to talk to women in their early-20s?
 

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I'm 95% through reading it - it really makes you sad as it recounts Pitchfork describing the murders in detail in his police interviews.

Did you know Pitchfork got released on parole and then was put back in prison after he had been seen trying to talk to women in their early-20s?

No, I didn't know that and it was such a long time ago I've half forgotten the story. It's in here somehwere, I might read it again.
 

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Interesting article in todays Post.
I just hope that this is fully investigated !
 

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I just hope that this is fully investigated !
I'm onto it thx :)

'A horse trainer has told the POST he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills the morning Sarah Spiers disappeared in January 1996.'

'This week he called POST editor Bret Christian to say he was reading his book on the murders, Stalking Claremont, and had seen an illustration of Edwards. “That’s the man I saw,” he said.'

He has given the POST a detailed description of the location, at what is now the outskirts of a town on the Darling Scarp.
He said the Telstra hut was no longer there, but appeared on old aerial photographs. He said he could pinpoint the date by the horses he was training at the time, and the fact that he had spoken of the sighting a week after it happened.'


Looking in the Kindle eBook version of the 'Stalking Claremont' book for illustrations of what Edwards looked like around January 1996 (aged 27), I found a 2019 court sketch of Bradley Robert Edwards, and a CCTV image of a mystery man outside the Continental Hotel just after midnight, interacting with Jane Rimmer (1996).

If anyone has the hardcopy of the Stalking Claremont book, can you please check and see if there are any other photos, illustrations, or sketches of Bradley Robert Edwards in it.


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I'm onto it thx :)

'A horse trainer has told the POST he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills the morning Sarah Spiers disappeared in January 1996.'

'This week he called POST editor Bret Christian to say he was reading his book on the murders, Stalking Claremont, and had seen an illustration of Edwards. “That’s the man I saw,” he said.'

He has given the POST a detailed description of the location, at what is now the outskirts of a town on the Darling Scarp.
He said the Telstra hut was no longer there, but appeared on old aerial photographs. He said he could pinpoint the date by the horses he was training at the time, and the fact that he had spoken of the sighting a week after it happened.'


Looking in the Kindle eBook version of the 'Stalking Claremont' book for illustrations of what Edwards looked like around January 1996 (aged 27), I found a 2019 court sketch of Bradley Robert Edwards, and a CCTV image of a mystery man outside the Continental Hotel just after midnight, interacting with Jane Rimmer (1996).

If anyone has the hardcopy of the Stalking Claremont book, can you please check and see if there are any other photos, illustrations, or sketches of Bradley Robert Edwards in it.


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Yes bfew , thats the main worry here, that's a bit suss he saw an "illustration" rather than one of the many photographs of Bradley...

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I know Brett Christian doesn't report too much gossip but I find this to be slightly unbelievable.

Sees a Telstra vehicle next to a Telstra hut and suddenly thinks it's suspicious.

Sees a picture in a book - which picture? - which he immediately recognises as someone from 20 years ago.

???
 

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I listened to Bret Christian's interview with Liam Bartlett this morning on 6pr and he seemed quite interested in this guy. I can imagine Bret getting all sorts of crank calls, stories and theories over the years so he must give this guy some sort of credibility to actually post this. Fingers crossed it at last amounts to a break through.
 

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I listened to Bret Christian's interview with Liam Bartlett this morning on 6pr and he seemed quite interested in this guy. I can imagine Bret getting all sorts of crank calls, stories and theories over the years so he must give this guy some sort of credibility to actually post this. Fingers crossed it at last amounts to a break through.

Checking in now. Thanks Deva.

 

Kurve

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Paul Ferguson felt that Sarah Spiers was to the south of Perth near Wellard but some of us in here thought BRE was fanning them out in each direction so she was probably in the east which is where this horseman says he saw BRE coming out of the bush carrying a trench-digging, long handled shovel as dawn was breaking.

Jane Rimmer found approx 40 kms south of Perth
Ciara Glennon found approx 45 kms north of Perth
 

Alixsk

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I'm onto it thx

'A horse trainer has told the POST he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills the morning Sarah Spiers disappeared in January 1996.'

'This week he called POST editor Bret Christian to say he was reading his book on the murders, Stalking Claremont, and had seen an illustration of Edwards. “That’s the man I saw,” he said.'

He has given the POST a detailed description of the location, at what is now the outskirts of a town on the Darling Scarp.
He said the Telstra hut was no longer there, but appeared on old aerial photographs. He said he could pinpoint the date by the horses he was training at the time, and the fact that he had spoken of the sighting a week after it happened.'


Looking in the Kindle eBook version of the 'Stalking Claremont' book for illustrations of what Edwards looked like around January 1996 (aged 27), I found a 2019 court sketch of Bradley Robert Edwards, and a CCTV image of a mystery man outside the Continental Hotel just after midnight, interacting with Jane Rimmer (1996).

If anyone has the hardcopy of the Stalking Claremont book, can you please check and see if there are any other photos, illustrations, or sketches of Bradley Robert Edwards in it.


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I have both hard copies of Bret Christians Stalking Claremont and Tim Clarkes Enigma in the dark. The only photos of BE at the time are in Enigma in the dark.


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he was reading his book on the murders, Stalking Claremont, and had seen an illustration of Edwards. “That’s the man I saw,” he said.'
One way to interpret the above, is that the reading of the book, and seeing an illustration of Edwards were 2 seperate events.

That the illustration of Edwards, was some picture or sketch of Edwards from another source.

Hopefully Bret Christian will clear this up shortly.
 

BFew

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'The horse trainer was doing trackwork at dawn at the time'

Sarah Spiers was last heard from at 2:06am on Saturday, 27th January 1996.

Sunrise that day of the year (2022) was 5:37am (there was no daylight saving in WA in 1996), 3.5 hours later.

Or 2.5-3 hours after the 2:30am-3am blood-curdling high pitched screams heard in Mosman Park reported to Police by four people, and the light coloured station wagon parked facing the wrong way next to a Monument Street (Mosman Park) Telstra phone box, with 2 occupants in it, where witness Wayne Stewart heard a women scream loudly and heard two doors slam in quick succession before witnessing the car drive off.

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'he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills'

'A horse trainer has told the POST .... He has described an off-white Telstra station wagon backed up to an isolated Telstra hut'

'Perth Hills is a term used primarily for marketing purposes to identify the part of the Darling Scarp and hinterland east of the scarp that lies within the Shire of Mundaring, City of Swan, and the City of Kalamunda and as part of the constituent bodies belonging to the Eastern Metropolitan Regional Council of Perth, Western Australia.'


'Both Kalamunda and Darlington, as separate and specific areas, were frequently referred to specifically as "The Hills", due to their presence on the edge of the scarp'

Am not sure if the Roe Hwy from Jandakot to High Wycombe was already there in 1996.

I imagine Bradley Robert Edwards would have headed South of the River to get to the Perth Hills (a bit more out of the way than driving North of the River).

He could have easily driven from Mosman Park (3am) to almost anywhere in the Perth Hills before dawn.

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BFew

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It just got weirder.

'Claims man resembling Claremont killer Bradley Edwards seen in Perth hills day Sarah Spiers vanished refuted

Emily Moulton
The West Australian
Fri, 11 February 2022 7:36PM

WA Police have dismissed claims by a horse trainer that he saw a man resembling Claremont killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth hills the morning Sarah Spiers disappeared saying there was “no evidence to validate the information”.

Police have also refuted the man’s claims that he only came forward with what he saw this month telling The West Australian that information was first reported to officers in October 1997 and had been investigated...

... A WA Police spokeswoman told The West Australian the horse trainer first reported his claims in October 1997 prompting officers attached to the murder inquiry to investigate.

She said since then WA Police had received further reports that “have also been investigated appropriately”.

“There is no evidence to validate the information, and the whereabouts of Sarah remain unknown,” she added.

“WA Police will never give up in their efforts to find Sarah.”

The West Australian understands the information contained in the Post article is different to what the man reported to police in October 1997.'
 

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