Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

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Police have also refuted the man’s claims that he only came forward with what he saw this month telling The West Australian that information was first reported to officers in October 1997 and had been investigated...
Maybe WA Police are the alleged anonymous WA Police Spokesperson is getting Bret Christian's horse trainer/rider mixed up with another person who WA Police claim went to them with Sarah Spiers related witness claims/evidence in October 1997.
 
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Remains to be seen if there's any truth to this, however, when you think about what's been claimed it would actually answer one particular question that's always gone unanswered.
Why we're CG and JR found so easily yet SS is still missing.
If this was indeed BRE disposing of SS and he's been happened upon walking out of the scrub with a shovel in hand the obvious lesson for someone this way inclined is that hanging around to bury a body is risky.
Could this be why Sarah has never been found and the others were relatively easily.
 

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Paul Ferguson felt that Sarah Spiers was to the south of Perth near Wellard but some of us in here thought BRE was fanning them out in each direction so she was probably in the east which is where this horseman says he saw BRE coming out of the bush carrying a trench-digging, long handled shovel as dawn was breaking.

Jane Rimmer found approx 40 kms south of Perth
Ciara Glennon found approx 45 kms north of Perth
Looking for my pins of notice. But they have all disappeared... sounds interesting and Brett usually doesn’t jump in without facts. Obviously needs further investigation though. Would love to see an outcome fir the Spiers family...
 

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Maybe WA Police are getting Bret Christian's horse trainer/rider mixed up with another person who WA Police claim went to them with Sarah Spiers related witness claims/evidence in October 1997.
Let’s be honest the police where mixing a few things up themselves back in 1997... just seeing Edwards has not lodged an appeal, maybe he’s more comfortable now to come forward?
 

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I am pretty sure BRE was working all day on the 27th and his job at telstra from around 7.30am onwards .It was evidence at the trial i think.

BRE worked at Dumas House javaguice with Mr. Cook on the Saturday, I think he took the Sunday off. If he panicked on being seen coming out of the bush with a shovel, he might have gone back to the site and moved her.

There's some discussion here:

 

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BRE worked at Dumas House with Mr. Cook on the Saturday, I think he took the Sunday off. If he panicked on being seen coming out of the bush with a shovel, he might have gone back to the site and moved her.

There's some discussion here:

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Really hope there is something in the Latest SS info, I so Hope that Sarah's family get some type of closure.
 

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Does anyone know how to view the Sky news show Catching the Claremont serial killer? I’ve made an account with Sky news but it doesn’t come up when searched, only the promo.
 

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Does anyone know how to view the Sky news show Catching the Claremont serial killer? I’ve made an account with Sky news but it doesn’t come up when searched, only the promo.
Try Foxtel On Demand, if you have foxtel that is. If not then perhaps try this site.

 

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'The horse trainer was doing trackwork at dawn at the time'

Sarah Spiers was last heard from at 2:06am on Saturday, 27th January 1996.

Sunrise that day of the year (2022) was 5:37am (there was no daylight saving in WA in 1996), 3.5 hours later.

Or 2.5-3 hours after the 2:30am-3am blood-curdling high pitched screams heard in Mosman Park reported to Police by four people, and the light coloured station wagon parked facing the wrong way next to a Monument Street (Mosman Park) Telstra phone box, with 2 occupants in it, where witness Wayne Stewart heard a women scream loudly and heard two doors slam in quick succession before witnessing the car drive off.

https://postnewspapers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/12022022.pdf
'he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills'

'A horse trainer has told the POST .... He has described an off-white Telstra station wagon backed up to an isolated Telstra hut'

'Perth Hills is a term used primarily for marketing purposes to identify the part of the Darling Scarp and hinterland east of the scarp that lies within the Shire of Mundaring, City of Swan, and the City of Kalamunda and as part of the constituent bodies belonging to the Eastern Metropolitan Regional Council of Perth, Western Australia.'


'Both Kalamunda and Darlington, as separate and specific areas, were frequently referred to specifically as "The Hills", due to their presence on the edge of the scarp'

Am not sure if the Roe Hwy from Jandakot to High Wycombe was already there in 1996.

I imagine Bradley Robert Edwards would have headed South of the River to get to the Perth Hills (a bit more out of the way than driving North of the River).

He could have easily driven from Mosman Park (3am) to almost anywhere in the Perth Hills before dawn.

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the section of roe hwy that runs through the edge of beckenham/back of kenwick was constructed circa early 2000's. my gf at the time lived just off william s in beckenham, the new section of roe was to alleviate the traffic build up on william road. i lived in gosnells during the time of SS disappearance, if you wanted to get to most of the darling scarp from there you would take tonkin hwy from albany hwy, and get onto mills rd/kelvin rd, or welshpool rd and head up through chevin rd or turner rd or collier ave etc. there were lots of bush tracks there back in the day, alot has now dissapeared with the changes to tonkin hwy, and housing growth. other options were south on albany/ south western hwys.
 

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It just got weirder.

'Claims man resembling Claremont killer Bradley Edwards seen in Perth hills day Sarah Spiers vanished refuted

Emily Moulton
The West Australian
Fri, 11 February 2022 7:36PM

WA Police have dismissed claims by a horse trainer that he saw a man resembling Claremont killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth hills the morning Sarah Spiers disappeared saying there was “no evidence to validate the information”.

Police have also refuted the man’s claims that he only came forward with what he saw this month telling The West Australian that information was first reported to officers in October 1997 and had been investigated...

... A WA Police spokeswoman told The West Australian the horse trainer first reported his claims in October 1997 prompting officers attached to the murder inquiry to investigate.

She said since then WA Police had received further reports that “have also been investigated appropriately”.

“There is no evidence to validate the information, and the whereabouts of Sarah remain unknown,” she added.

“WA Police will never give up in their efforts to find Sarah.”

The West Australian understands the information contained in the Post article is different to what the man reported to police in October 1997.'
hmmmm....

so in 1997 police were given some info that relates to another suspicious scenario involving telstra in some way, telstra seems to have popped up quite a bit in their information reports at the time. i wonder if this info was prioritised a bit higher once details of the telstra living witness came to light?
 

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'The horse trainer was doing trackwork at dawn at the time'

Sarah Spiers was last heard from at 2:06am on Saturday, 27th January 1996.

Sunrise that day of the year (2022) was 5:37am (there was no daylight saving in WA in 1996), 3.5 hours later.

Or 2.5-3 hours after the 2:30am-3am blood-curdling high pitched screams heard in Mosman Park reported to Police by four people, and the light coloured station wagon parked facing the wrong way next to a Monument Street (Mosman Park) Telstra phone box, with 2 occupants in it, where witness Wayne Stewart heard a women scream loudly and heard two doors slam in quick succession before witnessing the car drive off.

https://postnewspapers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/12022022.pdf
'he saw a man who looked like convicted killer Bradley Edwards emerging from bushland in the Perth Hills'

'A horse trainer has told the POST .... He has described an off-white Telstra station wagon backed up to an isolated Telstra hut'

'Perth Hills is a term used primarily for marketing purposes to identify the part of the Darling Scarp and hinterland east of the scarp that lies within the Shire of Mundaring, City of Swan, and the City of Kalamunda and as part of the constituent bodies belonging to the Eastern Metropolitan Regional Council of Perth, Western Australia.'


'Both Kalamunda and Darlington, as separate and specific areas, were frequently referred to specifically as "The Hills", due to their presence on the edge of the scarp'

Am not sure if the Roe Hwy from Jandakot to High Wycombe was already there in 1996.

I imagine Bradley Robert Edwards would have headed South of the River to get to the Perth Hills (a bit more out of the way than driving North of the River).

He could have easily driven from Mosman Park (3am) to almost anywhere in the Perth Hills before dawn.

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regards the name sake of an area known as 'the Perth hills' - this could be anywhere. the back of gosnells (known as the foot hills) kelmscott on the north of Albany hwy (known as clifton hills) and armadale in the area now known as mount richon and mount nasura were commonly refered to as the hills by local people.
 

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BRE worked at Dumas House javaguice with Mr. Cook on the Saturday, I think he took the Sunday off. If he panicked on being seen coming out of the bush with a shovel, he might have gone back to the site and moved her.

There's some discussion here:


if i recall there was some question over the travel arrangements and start times of bre and my cook for that day. from memory the supervisor had BRE down as starting earlier than mr cook, but someone testified that they left together for work in mr cooks car. this led to questions as to where BRE work car was, and why they would take mr cooks car.

what if BRE was getting a lift to work with mr cook, as he still needed to clean the car after the encounter with SS? there could of been anything left in the car from what ever happened, and (if the recently claimed story is true) there could of been dirt and or red dust covering the car from being off road. (the scarp area has lots of pea gravel and the like). if the car had been in the scarp/hills area in the pea gravel it would be extremely obvious to any local where it had been recently.
 

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if i recall there was some question over the travel arrangements and start times of bre and my cook for that day. from memory the supervisor had BRE down as starting earlier than mr cook, but someone testified that they left together for work in mr cooks car. this led to questions as to where BRE work car was, and why they would take mr cooks car.

what if BRE was getting a lift to work with mr cook, as he still needed to clean the car after the encounter with SS? there could of been anything left in the car from what ever happened, and (if the recently claimed story is true) there could of been dirt and or red dust covering the car from being off road. (the scarp area has lots of pea gravel and the like). if the car had been in the scarp/hills area in the pea gravel it would be extremely obvious to any local where it had been recently.

Yes, I remember there was a long discussion about why BRE showed up without his company car the morning after Sarah vanished to get a ride to the Telstra job with Mr. Cook in his personal vehicle.

Mrs. Cook said that BRE either got a lift to their house off his brother or he walked.

We also wondered if Sarah was still in the back of the car. That might make some sense if he was disturbed by the horse trainer at dawn so he had to move her. Stored her in the car until he finished work. Then he had the next day off so yes, there may have been a lot of cleaning up to do.

It's a horrible shame the police never found that car.
 

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It's believed the report relates to evidence given by Brigita Cook, the wife of an ex-colleague, who testified it was memorably hot on the morning of January 27 that year - just hours after Edwards allegedly murdered Sarah Spiers - so the men inspected the couple's broken air conditioner before going to work.






 

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If this guy says he first reported this back in 1997 but it was dismissed, it would be because the Macro Task force were hell bent on thinking they had their men in Peter Weygers and also Lance Williams, pursuing them both relentlessly. I just hope that now Detective's Marrapodi and Ricciardi at least have a another look into this. The other concern is another instance of where Telstra was ignored in the investigation way back then even.
 

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Mr Cook didn't have a Telstra vehicle because he worked at the RPH - He didn't recall what vehicle they took that day
It Mrs Cook was who said they took the only vehicle they had to Dumas House, a Grey Ford Fairmont, Both said BRE had no vehicle at their house that morning.
Evidently they tried to fix their Air Con because Mrs Cook said it was a very hot day but it was shown that a Max Temp that day was 29oC. It is believed she was thinking of another day that was hot. That one conflict threw doubt on her testimony about that. Other parts of her testimony where thrown into doubt when her recollection of what hours Mr Cook worked that day at Dumas House did not match with the Supervisors records. BRE started 8am and Mr Cook at 10am.

In the end all that could be confirmed was that BRE worked at Dumas House from 8am to 9.45pm (Supervisors records), what cars where involved was never proven.

 

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What puzzles me is that serial killers don't stop killing until they are either caught or die. Yet close to 20 years went by between the murder of Ciara Glennon in March 1997 and the arrest of Bradley Robert Edwards in December 2016. Edwards had never had any connection with this investigation before, not even a minor one such as police following up potential witnesses that might have put the fear of God into him. Are there any other serial killers who were free in the community who had committed no other known murders so long after their last known victim?
 

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What puzzles me is that serial killers don't stop killing until they are either caught or die. Yet close to 20 years went by between the murder of Ciara Glennon in March 1997 and the arrest of Bradley Robert Edwards in December 2016. Edwards had never had any connection with this investigation before, not even a minor one such as police following up potential witnesses that might have put the fear of God into him. Are there any other serial killers who were free in the community who had committed no other known murders so long after their last known victim?
I think the idea they dont stop is wrong.

It depends on why they start. Certainly a high percentage continue till caught or dead but there are also some who stop - or at least have long breaks -

If we go by Barbagallos theory (one which I support) then his stressors were such for a period of time he ''let go '' of the inner demons

Given his criminal history there is an element of control management within him. He attacks the hospital worker in 1990 and suppresses until 1995? and the Karakatta rape . His life continues to spiral and his personal relationships deteriorate and he starts the killing

He then finds another relationship partner and his moods abate ie the reasons to attack diminish - ie suppression control

BTK - Dennis Rader is one that comes to mind. Killing between 1974 and 1991 he (seemingly) stopped until he contacted the police in 2005 and was caught


Highlights other cases
 

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What puzzles me is that serial killers don't stop killing until they are either caught or die. Yet close to 20 years went by between the murder of Ciara Glennon in March 1997 and the arrest of Bradley Robert Edwards in December 2016. Edwards had never had any connection with this investigation before, not even a minor one such as police following up potential witnesses that might have put the fear of God into him. Are there any other serial killers who were free in the community who had committed no other known murders so long after their last known victim?
The original Nightstalker seemed to retire. It does happen, even if it’s not typical.

Plus no one says that BRE did retire. Police would be investigating his involvement in subsequent unsolved murders.

BRE ceased operating in Claremont simply because it was impossible to continue there without being caught, given the extra surveillance. He would have changed his location of operations, that’s all.
 

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The original Nightstalker seemed to retire. It does happen, even if it’s not typical.

Plus no one says that BRE did retire. Police would be investigating his involvement in subsequent unsolved murders.

BRE ceased operating in Claremont simply because it was impossible to continue there without being caught, given the extra surveillance. He would have changed his location of operations, that’s all.
Agree, we don't know and may never know if he changed his MO.
 

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