Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[megadeth86]

the section of roe hwy that runs through the edge of beckenham/back of kenwick was constructed circa early 2000's. my gf at the time lived just off william s in beckenham, the new section of roe was to alleviate the traffic build up on william road. i lived in gosnells during the time of SS disappearance, if you wanted to get to most of the darling scarp from there you would take tonkin hwy from albany hwy, and get onto mills rd/kelvin rd, or welshpool rd and head up through chevin rd or turner rd or collier ave etc. there were lots of bush tracks there back in the day, alot has now dissapeared with the changes to tonkin hwy, and housing growth. other options were south on albany/ south western hwys.

Yes, you are right, I remember driving on Roe Highway between Kenwick link and Orrong Road in 2003, might be late 2002 too.

 

[megadeth86]

What puzzles me is that serial killers don't stop killing until they are either caught or die. Yet close to 20 years went by between the murder of Ciara Glennon in March 1997 and the arrest of Bradley Robert Edwards in December 2016. Edwards had never had any connection with this investigation before, not even a minor one such as police following up potential witnesses that might have put the fear of God into him. Are there any other serial killers who were free in the community who had committed no other known murders so long after their last known victim?

Yes, "Bible John" murdered three women in Glasgow in the late-1960s, was never caught and never re-offended as far as we know.

I had to laugh at the above poster saying 29C was too cool to be considered a hot day.

In Glasgow 21C is considered to be a hot day!

 

[BFew]

Was that you Bradley?

‘People could have died’: Fresh fears following jail fire

The WA Prison Officers Union says it is pure luck that no one was killed at Casuarina Prison on Wednesday after an inmate lit multiple fires and caused significant damage to the jail.

thewest.com.au

'Wed, 9 March 2022 8:12PM'

'... The union says major staff shortages compounded Wednesday’s incident, which was sparked when one inmate barricaded themselves in a prison wing before starting multiple fires in a laundry and in rubbish bins.

The inmate is then said to have smashed windows and other parts of the jail, including toilets and sinks.
As a result the massive maximum security prison was put into lock-down and visitors turned away.

At least seven ambulances were at the scene as authorities worked to regain control of the facility.
A St John Ambulance spokeswoman confirmed paramedics were called to the jail about 12.40pm.
Five men - two in their 20s, one in his 30s, one in his 40s and a fifth in his 50s - were sent to Fiona Stanley for non-life-threatening injuries - mainly smoke inhalation.
The WAPOU has said three of those men taken to hospital were prison staff members.

Union industrial officer Beven Hanlon said the incident was incredibly serious and that someone could have been killed.
“The entire wing is now out of commission,” Mr Hanlon said.
“We were lucky, people could have died today.
“It’s not good management that people didn’t die today, it was luck.
“The worst part is these (incidents) are avoidable if they just staff the prison properly.
“A significant amount of damage has been done to the place.”

A spokeswoman for the Department of Corrections confirmed earlier on Wednesday there was an “incident” at the prison but said it was not a riot.
“There has been an incident, where one prisoner caused some damage to a unit, breaking windows and setting a fire,” she said.
“He has been moved to another unit and his actions referred for criminal charge assessment.
“No other prisoners have been involved" ...'

 

[Kurve]

“The worst part is these (incidents) are avoidable if they just staff the prison properly.

Does this mean they're going to take all BREs matchsticks away?

 

[BFew]

Does this mean they're going to take all BREs matchsticks away?

Surely his stash of matchsticks would have already had the fuel tips removed before he was allowed anywhere near them.

 

[mrskafoops]

I'm just going to leave this here because I THINK or hope we might find out what he was doing between February and October in 1988.

You can see here how many times he targeted specific houses and that's just what we know of. BRE isn't just a random opportunistic prowler although that factors in, he was targeting someone in at 61 Huntingdale Road. He went there at least four times. There would be many, many times he wasn't seen.

• #74

Mid January 76 Harpenden Street. Theft from clothesline.

21 January 1988, 3.10am Lot 3 Huntingdale Road. Attempt break & enter. Disturbed & ran.

21 January 1988, 4.10 am. 61 Huntingdale Road. Break & enter. Caught in the bedroom. Disturbed & ran.

23 January 1988, 9.00 pm 61 Huntingdale Road. Attempt break & enter. Disturbed & ran.

28 January 1988, 9.30 pm. 61 Huntingdale Road. Spying. Disturbed & ran.

Late Jan & early Feb 1988. Lot 1401 Bullfinch Street. Theft from clothesline.

11 February 1988, 1.00 am, Lot 1386 Bullfinch Street. Break & enter. Disturbed actually in the master bedroom & ran.

11 February, 1988. 2.00am 61 Huntingdale Road. Attempt break & enter. Disturbed & ran.

15 February, 1988. Address suppressed. Break & enter. Attacked. (Ran at risk of witnesses/help near)

THE 8 MONTH GAP Departed Australia 18 April 1988, returning on 2 May 1988.

* (20 June 1988. Julie Cutler disappeared, last seen 12.30am. Her car is found in the sea at Cottesloe. Nobody saw a thing.)

8 October, 1988. 78A Harpenden Road, Huntingdale. Break & enter. Attacked. (Ran at risk of witnesses/help near)

What this also tells me is that he is not stealthy ...

 

[BFew]

Traumatised woman who survived Claremont killer tells story

One of the women who survived being attacked by Claremont killer Bradley Edwards is ready for her entire story, in her own words, to finally be told.

thewest.com.au

'Bradley Robert Edwards: Woman who survived attack by Claremont killer ready for her story to be told​

Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Wed, 25 May 2022 4:00AM'

'*Don’t Make a Fuss: It’s Only the Claremont Serial Killer by Wendy Davis will be available from Fremantle Press on June 1.'

'In the book, Ms Davis reveals in extraordinary detail the attack, for which Edwards was swiftly convicted — without her even giving a witness statement.'

'It also tackles what her experience says about how a woman’s place and her trauma was viewed by Australian society in 1990, compared to now.'

'she feels WA Police have still not faced up to those mistakes.'
“They have not officially acknowledged to me the part that they played,” she said.
“And I am not expecting they will.”'

See the Claremont Murders - Media thread for more from this Tim Clark article.

And don't forget to pre-order/buy Wendy Davis's book.

 

[BFew]

Here's links to some of the many places you can pre-order or buy (release date Wednesday 1 June, 2022) the paperback and eBook of
Don’t Make a Fuss: It’s Only the Claremont Serial Killer, a memoir by (CSK living victim/witness) Wendy Davis

Don’t Make a Fuss: It’s Only the Claremont Serial Killer - Fremantle Press

In 2020, after the longest and most expensive trial in Western Australian history, Bradley Robert Edwards was convicted of two of the Claremont Serial Killings, a series of unsolved murders that had haunted the state since the mid-1990s. But before he went to trial, before he started killing...

fremantlepress.com.au

Don't Make a Fuss: It's Only the Claremont Serial Killer eBook : Davis, Wendy: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

Don't Make a Fuss: It's Only the Claremont Serial Killer eBook : Davis, Wendy: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

www.amazon.com.au

‎Don't Make a Fuss

‎Biographies & Memoirs · 2022

books.apple.com

https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Wendy_Davis_Don_t_Make_a_Fuss

 

[BFew]

Bradley Robert Edwards should not have even kept his Telstra job prior to 1990 when Wendy Davis was assaulted by him, had he been quickly apprehended, charged and convicted for all of his Huntingdale crimes in 1988.

Claremont killer’s early assault victim urges survivors to speak out

Wendy Davis wants women to know: not only is it OK to make a fuss, but sometimes it’s very necessary.

www.watoday.com.au

'She initially began to write about her involvement as a form of therapy, but soon realised she had an important message to share with other women.

“As I was writing I gradually started to see that I was part of a much bigger picture,” she said.

“Women and children in Australia are facing assaults all the time and I felt that my story was from the perspective of a survivor of crime. I felt like I was speaking out for the victims.

“I realised I wanted people to know just what can happen if the signs of escalating violence are ignored, if no one listens to the victims of abuse. I thought my story, what happened to me, demonstrates that perfectly. If escalating violence is ignored, if women are not listened to, then men can go on to commit terrible crimes.”

Davis believes if Telstra or WA Police had taken her attack more seriously, Edwards would have lost his job, and would likely have appeared on the radar of homicide detectives much sooner.'

'After Edwards was convicted in 2020, Telstra issued a public apology to Davis about how her case was managed.'

 

[zedx]

Bradley Robert Edwards should not have even kept his Telstra job prior to 1990 when Wendy Davis was assaulted by him, had he been quickly apprehended, charged and convicted for all of his Huntingdale crimes in 1988.

Claremont killer’s early assault victim urges survivors to speak out

Wendy Davis wants women to know: not only is it OK to make a fuss, but sometimes it’s very necessary.

www.watoday.com.au

'She initially began to write about her involvement as a form of therapy, but soon realised she had an important message to share with other women.

“As I was writing I gradually started to see that I was part of a much bigger picture,” she said.

“Women and children in Australia are facing assaults all the time and I felt that my story was from the perspective of a survivor of crime. I felt like I was speaking out for the victims.

“I realised I wanted people to know just what can happen if the signs of escalating violence are ignored, if no one listens to the victims of abuse. I thought my story, what happened to me, demonstrates that perfectly. If escalating violence is ignored, if women are not listened to, then men can go on to commit terrible crimes.”

Davis believes if Telstra or WA Police had taken her attack more seriously, Edwards would have lost his job, and would likely have appeared on the radar of homicide detectives much sooner.'

'After Edwards was convicted in 2020, Telstra issued a public apology to Davis about how her case was managed.'

Unfortunately, things were very different in that era - “Not making a fuss was the very strong message that women of my generation received in regards to speaking out........." If that were to happen today he quite likely would have the book thrown at him. (Unless of course if your an MP or work at Parliament house - sarcasmnot)

 

[BFew]

Unfortunately, things were very different in that era - “Not making a fuss was the very strong message that women of my generation received in regards to speaking out........." If that were to happen today he quite likely would have the book thrown at him. (Unless of course if your an MP or work at Parliament house - sarcasmnot)

Or manage an electoral office (ex-MP Craig Kelly related).

 

[BFew]

Maybe give BRE a pack of playing cards, full of Sarah Spiers.

NSW to give prisoners cold-case playing cards in hope of solving murders

Packs contain 52 photos of dead and missing people in initiative backed by victims’ families

www.theguardian.com

 

[BFew]

I recall that Bradley Robert Edwards was working based at the Perth CBD Wellington Street Telstra Exchange for a while.

Pretty ironic, but hardly surprising that WA Police is now reported to be looking at this building as a possible new High Tech HQ.

One day, WA Police might even be tracking old Bradley from the same office that he operated from.

Doubly ironic if young Bradley was ever tracking his victims, witnesses or even WA Police from the Welling Street Telstra Exchange!

Why WA Police may soon have to move its main nerve centre

Speculation is mounting WA Police may soon upgrade and relocate its state-of-the-art State Operations Command Centre in Maylands. FIND OUT WHY.

thewest.com.au

'Mon, 27 June 2022 11:28AM'

'Such is the high level of equipment at SOCC that its capabilities include facial recognition, automatic number plate recognition, closed-circuit television access and electronic monitoring.'

'claims existing IT infrastructure at the facility will simply not cope with growing demand.'

'A lack of internet “power” at the Maylands facility has been mooted as a potential issue in recent weeks, though an NBN spokesman said no issues had been raised with them by WA Police with regards to the reliability or speed of the NBN in the Maylands area.

The West Australian has also been told existing IT infrastructure in Maylands will simply not be able to accommodate further digital enhancements being implemented by WA Police.

It is understood that the Telstra building on Wellington Street has been talked about as a possible new location, although nothing official has been signed off on.'

 

[Macca180]

It blows my mind that you can drag a women into the toilets at work and try to sexually assault her and not get sacked.

Sounds like a great employee.

 

[BFew]

It blows my mind that you can drag a women into the toilets at work and try to sexually assault her while and not get sacked.

WA Labor (Burke 1983, Dowding 1988, Lawrence March 1990-1993) were in power for 10 year period that covered 1990 when the Hollywood Hospital Assault took place.

Peter Dowding SC was a lawyer by trade before and after (Solicitor and Barrister) his years in Politics.

That 10 year period of Government was during what is known as the WA Inc.

So it looks like collateral damage from all the wasted time, money, resources and priorities with the WA Inc. series of disasters and the resultant litigation and Political fallout and instability, included some pretty obvious weaknesses in the criminal justice and WA Policing system that were not fixed during that period by WA Labor. Collateral damage that facilitated someone like Bradley Robert Edwards, getting away so lightly or at all, with what he did at Hollywood Hospital 1990, and his earlier various Huntingdale and surrounds crimes.

What happened next (1993-2001) with Bradley Edwards during the period when Richard Court (Premier) and the Liberals were in power in WA for 8 years, covering the period of the disappearance/murders of Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, took the incompetence to a whole different level.

Peter Dowding - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

'On 5 April 1990, Parker announced that he would resignation from Parliament later that month. Although he planned on resigning later, Dowding resigned as well on 26 April 1990, allowing by-elections to occur on the same day. Judy Edwards retained the seat for Labor, succeeding Dowding as the member for Maylands at the May by-election.

Lawrence initially resisted calls to establish a royal commission into WA Inc, however she relented in November 1990. The royal commission found that:'

Mr Dowding, as premier, presided over a disastrous series of decisions designed to support Rothwells when it was or should have been clear to him and to those ministers closely involved that Rothwells was no longer a viable financial institution. This culminated in the decision to involve the Government, through WAGH, in the Kwinana petrochemical project as a means of removing the Government's contingent liability for certain of the debts of Rothwells. Electoral advantage was preferred to the public interest.

 

[BFew]

Just a heads up on a BRE 2 page spread in tomorrow's Saturday West Australian Newspaper.

Toying with Cops?

This could be something new maybe!

 

[BFew]

Toying with Cops?

A quick google of depraved Bradley and "toying" only comes up with some homemade sex toys.

No toying in any of the CSK books I have as far as I can word search.

Sounds like the article could be about how BRE was thought or known to have been evading Police with his choice of vehicle routes.

 

[Eaglette01]

Missed this from the 15 June 2022 - good old Daily Mail (trying to link MM as being BRE "known" to JR):

How Claremont serial killer tricked victim 23-year-old Jane Rimmer

Four days before Jane Rimmer was murdered, she told her best friend she'd met a man who vowed to protect her - that man was by the Claremont serial killer Bradley Edwards.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BFew]

Sounds like the article could be about how BRE was thought or known to have been evading Police with his choice of vehicle routes.

Wrong.

 

[annawinter608]

Does anyone have access beyond the paywall?


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[mrskafoops]

Does anyone have access beyond the paywall?


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Yes, can someone post the full article please?

 

[BomberManU]

What do we all make of the 'horse trainer' story?

 

[Kurve]

 

[GreyCrow]

Found Not Guilty - asserts his right to silence - 2 page spread in the paper

Solid journalism

 

[annawinter608]

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Thanks Kurve.


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