Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

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Young Bradley wasn’t just lucky. Some incompetence and also protection from certain aided him in continuing to fly under the radar.
Sandwich bags will get a run in prison 😂.

Good chance some bowel bags will too....
 

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This certainly shows to me that BRE had absolutely no remorse for what he had done! One of his first thoughts was about losing his job, disgusting!

"Confronted by a security guard, one of Edwards’ first comments was: “Does this mean I’ll lose my job?”

Yeah, always thinking about himself. Interesting that he had identified this as a possible consequence, which further makes me think it was an option and they made a conscious decision to let him off the hook/protect him.
 

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knock and surprise attack works on the idea that the killer wanted to kill her for a specific reason, and knew she was alone. otherwise why pick that house and not any other house? best access is to actually be allowed access to the house either by being a resident, or being a trusted acquaintance of a resident.

My brain storming makes me query the reason for the murder. with no effort to hide the body, i think it unlikely that she was a specific target, and was killed in a premeditated fashion. an unhidden body would usually suggest a spur of the moment murder. her handbag was still in plain sight, and there is no mention of any items being missing, or items being moved as though it was a home burglary gone wrong. the body being in the bathroom is also strange for my thoughts, there was no mention of the body being moved post mortem, and people dont usually follow others into the bathroom unless they have a very close relationship with that person.

also the state of injuries causing death was unknown as per the article - was a weapon brought from outside? was a weapon taken from the house? or was no weapon used?

was any unknown fingerprints or DNA recovered from the house? i would lean more to someone well known to the victim being the killer so far - was there any issues with the husband/marriage/boyfriend on the side?
If my phone line suddenly went down during the day and a trusty Telstra tech suddenly turned up claiming there was a problem in the street and could he just have a look at my phone I would let him in no problems. Well, not now, but certainly in 1997.

Didn’t someone we know break into a house in Huntingdale in 1988 and disable a phone before carrying out an attack? And didn’t that person go on to become a Telstra tech?
 

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i believe the person in Tasmania who made a report to police which wasn't passed on was the woman brad gave a lift to and then tried cracking on too. she got out of the car and he followed and tried kissing her. she was a blue belt in tae kwon do or some such, and told him to pull his head in or she will f***ing drop him. he backed off. when arrested this lady recognized him, and as she was living in tassie she told the cops there what happened, this was never passed on, which she found out when contacting perth police direct.
Yes, I think you are correct in that. He gave her a lift from Claremont to her car in Innaloo.
 

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I heard Wendy Davis' story on the radio on Monday and there was one bit that rang alarm bells for me. She said that when he grabbed her from behind he put a cloth over her mouth/nose. At that point she stopped breathing in case there was a substance on the cloth that might knock her out. Eventually as she continued struggling she had to take a breath and she didn't smell anything on the cloth.

What if he had put something on the cloth beforehand but the cloth shifted as she struggled and a clean part of the cloth (substance free) ended up being over her nose when she took her breath? Maybe this saved her from being the first victim.

i heard the same interview on 6 PR with Gary Adshead.
most alarming thing I took from the interview was that Wendy NEVER provided any type of police statement for the HH incident.
she said the only time she saw a written statement of fact that she signed was AFTER his arrest in 2016.
Adshead even repeated the question back to her. Which she confirmed, at no time did she see any statement, she even said she was only interviewed on site on the day of the attack.
incredible
 
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i heard the same interview on 6 PR with Gary Adshead.
I can't find this interview with the Hollywood Hospital Victim on the 6PR website yet?
When was this interview broadcast on 6PR.

Just a different podcast posted 11 hours ago
 

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i heard the same interview on 6 PR with Gary Adshead.
most alarming thing I took from the interview was that Wendy NEVER provided any type of police statement for the HH incident.
she said the only time she saw a written statement of fact that she signed was AFTER his arrest in 2016.
Adshead even repeated the question back to her. Which she confirmed, at no time did she see any statement, she even said she was only interviewed on site on the day of the attack.
incredible
Thank you for posting this. I got the impression in the interview on 60 Mins that something like this was the case, but I couldn’t be sure. So chances are the judge had no information as to Wendy’s version of events that would have characterised this crime as having a sexual element. And just WOW re the police. It’s like they deliberately didn’t want her to have any voice in it, let alone a full statement on what happened.
 

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I can't find this interview with the Hollywood Hospital Victim on the 6PR website yet?
When was this interview broadcast on 6PR.

Just a different podcast posted 11 hours ago

Monday morning (28 Sept) straight out of the 9 am news. Adshead was filling in on the morning show for Gareth Parker who was away.
 

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Thank you for posting this. I got the impression in the interview on 60 Mins that something like this was the case, but I couldn’t be sure. So chances are the judge had no information as to Wendy’s version of events that would have characterised this crime as having a sexual element. And just WOW re the police. It’s like they deliberately didn’t want her to have any voice in it, let alone a full statement on what happened.

i forgot to add, Adshead asked her, very clearly, did you ever see a written statement, a verbatim of what you said, did they have a tape recorder at the interview.
she said no, nothing like that. I saw no written statement and signed nothing.
 
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I know this....when they dropped him home in Huntingdale after attacking WD at HH - they should have clicked.

Or they could have run his finger prints after his arrest in 1990 with the ones on record for the huntingdale prowler and got a hit.

The above would link him to another attack and prowling and might get him a more adequate charge for the HH attack.
Fingerprints were matched manually until 2001 & the prints they had were taken off a door at a house where 1 break-in & 2 attempted break-ins were committed. DNA wasn't even on their radar & in reality they were bloody lucky the kimono & the prints hadn't been destroyed years before and were still actually available to connect him when it was all finally dragged out & processed.

I'm as bewildered as everyone that he managed to get away with it for so long but blaming Telstra for an employees escalation in crimes firstly because he wasnt fired initially & because you think they had some influence over the charges police ultimately decided to lay & then to claim they faciltated the murders for the fact he had a work car allocated to him really is a bit much.
Do you really think that Telstra sacking him and him not having access to one of their vehicles would have altered his behaviour & stopped his progression? Come on! They may have something to answer for in not identifying him within the list of employees, but slinging the blame at the organisation for his escalation and inferring they could have stopped him is outrageous.

The reality of the HH offence is that local cops would have attended the hospital where he was detained, they'd have taken him back and charged him with assault because thats all he actually did to the woman. Grabbing someone from behind, gagging and dragging them backwards wasn't considered a sexual assault. Then he'd be off to court where the judge would have ordered any tests he wanted prior to sentencing, bearing in mind he would have had any history the police held on him to refer to.

The best you might have hoped was his conviction being made known to local cops in his area specifically & a copy of the prints they took forwarded down to them with a heads up that he lived in their jurisdiction & was charged with assault & ordered into a sex offenders course. They may or may not have compared his prints then in any case.

Not forgetting too that the descriptions they had of the person apparently responsible for the various incidents were vastly different & until the incident he was eventually charged for, all the Huntingdale Prowler incidences we know of occured before that offence which was the most serious. Until then they had break & enters and stolen clothing to go off & they probably had dozens of those on file.

When they dropped him home in Huntingdale? Did they do that? What nice cops they were dropping him home. Never heard of that before unless you're underage or they've injured you and need you off the street & dont want to take you to hospital. They usually just turf you out with your bra in your hand & without a cent in your pocket & couldn't give a toss.

David Caporn needs to apologise to the Williams family
He has so much to answer for. He should apologise to all the families & to the public.
 
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Thank you for posting this. I got the impression in the interview on 60 Mins that something like this was the case, but I couldn’t be sure.
Ms Finch, you need to listen to the West's podcast last night on this too.

A full 48 minutes interview by Tim and Natalie with Wendy Davis
It's an absolute must listen
Brilliant work Tim and Nat + Wendy
I assume that you missed it.

Here's the direct link to it again
 

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Fingerprints were matched manually until 2001 & the prints they had were taken off a door at a house where 1 break-in & 2 attempted break-ins were committed. DNA wasn't even on their radar & in reality they were bloody lucky the kimono & the prints hadn't been destroyed years before and were still actually available to connect him when it was all finally dragged out & processed.

I'm as bewildered as everyone that he managed to get away with it for so long but blaming Telstra for an employees escalation in crimes firstly because he wasnt fired initially & because you think they had some influence over the charges police ultimately decided to lay & then to claim they faciltated the murders for the fact he had a work car allocated to him really is a bit much.
Do you really think that Telstra sacking him and him not having access to one of their vehicles would have altered his behaviour & stopped his progression? Come on! They may have something to answer for in not identifying him within the list of employees, but slinging the blame at the organisation for his escalation and inferring they could have stopped him is outrageous.

The reality of the HH offence is that local cops would have attended the hospital where he was detained, they'd have taken him back and charged him with assault because thats all he actually did to the woman. Grabbing someone from behind, gagging and dragging them backwards wasn't considered a sexual assault. Then he'd be off to court where the judge would have ordered any tests he wanted prior to sentencing, bearing in mind he would have had any history the police held on him to refer to.

The best you might have hoped was his conviction being made known to local cops in his area specifically & a copy of the prints they took forwarded down to them with a heads up that he lived in their jurisdiction & was charged with assault & ordered into a sex offenders course. They may or may not have compared his prints then in any case.

Not forgetting too that the descriptions they had of the person apparently responsible for the various incidents were vastly different & until the incident he was eventually charged for, all the Huntingdale Prowler incidences we know of occured before that offence which was the most serious. Until then they had break & enters and stolen clothing to go off & they probably had dozens of those on file.

When they dropped him home in Huntingdale? Did they do that? What nice cops they were dropping him home. Never heard of that before unless you're underage or they've injured you and need you off the street & dont want to take you to hospital. They usually just turf you out with your bra in your hand & without a cent in your pocket & couldn't give a toss.

He has so much to answer for. He should apologise to all the families & to the public.
I do see your point and agree that Telstra cannot be blamed for his behavior which was probably going to escalate regardless of whether they reacted correctly or not, but we will never know, it quite possibly could have changed the out come. Even the Police adding the charge of 'deprevation of liberty' could have made a different outcome. There are a whole lot of things that could have been 'sliding door' moments. And I think dropping him home was used as a 'simile' regarding recognizing his address.
 
I'm as bewildered as everyone that he managed to get away with it for so long but blaming Telstra for an employees escalation in crimes firstly because he wasnt fired initially & because you think they had some influence over the charges police ultimately decided to lay & then to claim they faciltated the murders for the fact he had a work car allocated to him really is a bit much.
Do you really think that Telstra sacking him and him not having access to one of their vehicles would have altered his behaviour & stopped his progression? Come on! They may have something to answer for in not identifying him within the list of employees, but slinging the blame at the organisation for his escalation and inferring they could have stopped him is outrageous.

I can't agree here OES and I do think the Telstra's influence may have impacted the charges, they even called a meeting with the victim with the specific aim of minimisation and undermining her. Do you think they didn't talk to the cops?

There is no record of this assault in BREs work history but there is record of his next promotion and pay rise the following year.

Most of us I'm sure are of the belief, the girls either got into his car thinking it was a taxi or they felt safer getting in it because it was a Telstra badged vehicle driven by a guy in his Telstra uniform. They went to a lot of effort to promote their company as safe and trustworthy.

BRE, an employee who attacked a woman while he was on the job and who was ordered on to a sex offenders course couldn't have done it without those cars imo.

Speaking of the way the HH attack was handled by Telstra and to quote Bret Christian "No wonder he felt bulletproof"
 

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Ms Finch, you need to listen to the West's podcast last night on this too.

A full 48 minutes interview by Tim and Natalie with Wendy Davis
It's an absolute must listen
Brilliant work Tim and Nat + Wendy
I assume that you missed it.

Here's the direct link to it again
Thank you! On my list to listen to definitely but it will be next up thanks to your recommendation.
 

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Regarding Telstra shares, they may not be as useless as we think.

I do not believe there is anything stopping a Telstra shareholder attending an AGM and asking a few pertinent questions about whether there is an internal investigation in to what went on.

Oh how quaint of you to expect accountability Ms. Finch. Telstra will be spending hundreds of thousands of mum's and dad's shareholders money on some phoney baloney consultancy to spin things. They would start with pretending that the privatised (1997) Telstra has nothing to do with the government owned Telecom.
Just as Diogenes never found an honest man in Athens the search for corporate responsibility is fruitless.
 
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They would start with pretending that the privatised (1997) Telstra has nothing to do with the government owned Telecom.
Just as Diogenes never found an honest man in Athens the search for corporate responsibility is fruitless.

Telstra inherited all Teiecom liabilities as far as I can see from the enabling legal docs publicly available.
 

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Just listened to the last few podcast (still listening to today’s), Does anyone agree with Tom Percy that the prosecution may appeal the not guilty verdict on SS count? Personally, I’d say not. Unless some bomb shell is there that we don’t know about. I think they’d wait for a body before re-visiting the SS case.
I would take the shot. If Sarah’s body turns up down the track they will still have another chance then, but I also think that the chances of any forensic evidence being available there are slim anyway. Plus Sarah’s remains could turn up tomorrow or they could never turn up.

The only thing that would give me pause is if such an appeal may have a potential detrimental impact on the verdicts for Jane and Ciara, such as if that prompted Edwards to appeal them. Those verdicts must be protected at all costs.
 

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i forgot to add, Adshead asked her, very clearly, did you ever see a written statement, a verbatim of what you said, did they have a tape recorder at the interview.
she said no, nothing like that. I saw no written statement and signed nothing.
It sounds like he did a good job actually asking the necessary questions to draw this out and confirm that there was no statement of any sort with her version of events.
 

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I would take the shot. If Sarah’s body turns up down the track they will still have another chance then, but I also think that the chances of any forensic evidence being available there are slim anyway. Plus Sarah’s remains could turn up tomorrow or they could never turn up.

The only thing that would give me pause is if such an appeal may have a potential detrimental impact on the verdicts for Jane and Ciara, such as if that prompted Edwards to appeal them. Those verdicts must be protected at all costs.

The guilty verdicts can not be impugned by a state appeal on the acquittal. But will BRE appeal? Shouldn't get legal aid for that IMO.
 

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Oh how quaint of you to expect accountability Ms. Finch. Telstra will be spending hundreds of thousands of mum's and dad's shareholders money on some phoney baloney consultancy to spin things. They would start with pretending that the privatised (1997) Telstra has nothing to do with the government owned Telecom.
Just as Diogenes never found an honest man in Athens the search for corporate responsibility is fruitless.
BBM - 😆

I am under no illusions that they will do anything to acknowledge, let alone accept, responsibility. I do believe that it is worth it to rattle their cages, keep the issue in the public eye and force some sort of an answer on record. Ask it once at the first AGM, follow it up at the next one.

I need to go and read their Constitution and details on their responsibility to shareholders to see the best way to make the question count.
 

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The guilty verdicts can not be impugned by a state appeal on the acquittal. But will BRE appeal? Shouldn't get legal aid for that IMO.
No, they can’t, because they are independent verdicts, but I worry he would be encouraged to appeal. They should wait to see what he will do.

I agree with your opinion that he shouldn’t get legal aid for an appeal, but he might depending on their assessment. There has also been a push by defence lawyers in recent years for legal aid to fund more appeals.
 
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