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Absolutely - could be all complete BS. But they did have a fairly narrow focus on someone else at the time. Sounds familiar.
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Lacco trained as a school teacher at Claremont and Mt Lawley campuses of ECU back in the day...Sounds more like Allan Lacco
In case anyone can't remember him>
‘Drive a car for me while I dump a body in Kings Park’
Former detective says sex offender was only a ‘person of interest’ despite statement.thewest.com.au
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Ughhh...that makes my stomach turn over. Hard to not consider his motivation for that, albeit ever so briefly. Redacted do you know how far he got with it?
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According to his Facebook page, he "dropped out" of teacher's college...
His Facebook hadn't been updated. I believe that he moved to Geelong some time ago and changed his name...
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There appears to be no further updates on this in either the online or paper version of the West Australian newspaper today or any other main stream media.
Key clue may help cops ID human remains north of Perth
Police hope clothing found in bushland will help shed light on a grim discovery made by a bushwalker.
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What are everyones thoughts on whether BRE is a psychopath? People like John Travers and John Glover are for sure but I think BRE is more a sociopath?
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personally i dont buy into the above theory of compass points and dates meaning anything. im sure if you looked hard enough you could make any number have some sort of significance. also if he picked all these compass points and dates relative to the murders, then all of this would of needed to be planned prior, and would beggar the question of why? this level of pre-planning takes away the spur of the moment and emotional reasons for the crime, so what would be the motivation?
to follow on from this, if he pre-planned the attacks, what made him pick the pick the first location to then find a point with a contrived relationship for the next location? if it wasnt pre-planned and he did act on the spur of the moment as such, do you think he plotted the abduction location on a map, worked out compass co-ordinates to somewhere else, then looked for a number in his life somewhere else, then used that number to formulate a new compass line, plotted that on a map and then went to that location, all while he had an abducted person/body in the car?
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The problem is that anyone can put anything on Facebook and other social media sites. I doubt Lacco would have the brain cells to even enter teachers' college.
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Totally pre-planned. Remember his opening line in one of his stories " They say you always remember your first. In my case, I consider my first is Chloe”.
His choice of compass headings in 1988 'tell his story'; that is compass headings used during his days hunting in Huntingdale as well. When you know what his compass headings are based on, it gives you an insight into his mind. It is possible to crack his code.
I have a very strong gut feeling 'his first' refers to was a woman who used Chloe perfume (by Karl Lagerfield C1975) and I believe (strongly) his first attempt at murder was 'Dorothy' in 1988.
You would have to do more than look hard enough to find a killer that has stuck to his compass degree pattern like BRE did.
His compass headings are like linking his victims together with invisible rope.
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One thing BRE did deliberately, was to pick up young ladies and drop them safely at their intended and requested destination. A ploy to develop trust imo. We now know (for the 1st time after the Trial concluded) that Jane had met BRE prior to the night of her abduction and murder and she told her friend and former employer based in Esperance he was "bogsy". I have a strong gut feeling that both Sarah and Ciara and met him prior to their abductions and murders. People tend to forget that Ciara did not leave Perth for her o/s sabatical until after Sarah's abduction and murder.
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Supposition - how many women get lifts home and have the driver grab their arm as they get out and ask for 'payment' This wasnt building trust
It has not been proven. Media rubbish
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was the Chloe story ever confirmed as being actually his? if i recall it was on his computer and showed it had been edited, which doesnt mean it wasnt downloaded and originally written by someone else. also the opening line in the story uses the term remember, which gives the reader the insight that the happenings in the story were from the past. so if the Chloe story was his and it is based on truth, then the story relates things from the past, this hardly proves anything was pre-planned.
have you found anything in BRE past to suggest a strong emotional tie to the Chloe perfume? as a middle aged male i would be lucky to name more than 2 perfumes, which were purchased as presents for my partner, and even then i had to describe to bottle to the sales assistant to work out which ones they were. in a similar fashion i dont see a young BRE being that fixated on his victim to know her perfume, and then use that as an alias in a story he wrote about the incident. my thinking is that it is more likely Chloe is either the name of his first girl friend or a girl he lusted over, or even possibly the street name for a prostitute he had seen, and the subject matter in the story is a fantasy he had for that person.
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What are everyones thoughts on whether BRE is a psychopath? People like John Travers and John Glover are for sure but I think BRE is more a sociopath?
Sociopath: Traits, Diagnosis, Treatment, and More
A sociopath is someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). Here are the symptoms, treatment options, and how to cope.
He has the control of a psychopath I think, he fooled a lot of people and blended a bit too well in to suburban life. Possibly so cold that wife 2 was selected as the perfect cover.
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That article is lacking in it's definitions of psychopathy and sociopathy, these articles expand on it a bit better.What are everyones thoughts on whether BRE is a psychopath? People like John Travers and John Glover are for sure but I think BRE is more a sociopath?
Sociopath: Traits, Diagnosis, Treatment, and More
A sociopath is someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). Here are the symptoms, treatment options, and how to cope.
How to Tell a Sociopath From a Psychopath
There are vital differences between them.
Perceptions Aside: Differences Between a Psychopath & Sociopath?
Learn the clinical distinctions between the two — it may surprise you.
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The total lack of remorse and show of indifference to what was going on around him during the trial gives me reason to point towards psychopath.
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I probably lean more towards him being a psychopath but that said he sure does possess many traits of both, one thing I’m categorically certain of though in my own mind is that even right now sitting in Hotel Casuarina he’s absolutely perplexed and baffled as to why he’s there because in his mind he’s convinced that he’s never had anything to do with the disappearances and murders of SS, JR, CG.
One thing with BRE that I still find absolutely incredible and remarkable actually was his police interview, through some of my work channels over the years I’ve been involved with difference circumstances and individuals in a similar nature (not murder) but accident investigations and the like, and you do become in tune with different traits and demeanor's of people when its being done intentionally and unintentionally.
Make no mistake no matter how long people think or don’t think he’s had to potentially “plan” for such an occasion and interview the reality is its impossible, I listen to his interview at least 4 times for memory, and not once did he ever slip up or trip up on what he was saying, (I know we didn’t get to hear the full version but I doubt it differed much with how he carried himself) and I really ask people to think about this hey, firstly you’ve got two trained detectives that have had years on this case and then approx a week to plan as much information and questions to ask and to deliver it and employ certain tactics whilst doing so, (also not in a million years would both of those detectives have ever thought they’d get a 6 hour interview with him with not a lawyer in sight!! not to mention the enormity continuing to mount up on BRE as the day and the hours went on, he had his whole life up ended at the flick of a switch that morning and it started early that day too!
Bearing in mind the content and span of the information and topics covered in his interview to which a significant amount he either included or chose to elaborate on, you wouldn’t find too many individuals that could handle themselves like that under what would seem an enormous amount of duress, basically 0-48 years of his life he covered in detail, family, friends, relationships, places lived, school’s, his work/employment, hobbies, cars owned, car accidents, colour of those cars, places he socialized at, almost every notable detail and information about his mum and dad, sister and brother, the dates, time lines and specific details he continued to recount and offer were incredible! Keeping in mind that the more information that he was giving out to such specific detail could of an was reversed used to question him about certain periods in his life and were then tied in with other loaded questions they put to him, I even recall Aaron Capes at one stage (and it was a deliberate tactic employed by him) was loosely recounting some of the info that BRE had mentioned from earlier in the day about one of his cars (his old Holden for memory) and Capes was like so what did you do with your Holden after it was written off from the car accident you had on Stirling Hwy.. and BRE just casually corrected him and said no it wasn’t written off it just had a damaged front fender and drivers door XYZ which was actually the exact info BRE told them as to what happened with it from earlier in that interview.
But single-handedly the most incredible part to that whole interview was the fact that BRE would have known full well that the detectives would of and did have some very key known information alleging him to these crimes, but of course BRE would not have known even remotely as to what this information was or the depth of it, or if a what stage it might be used/mentioned/questioned with several of the responses that BRE had given throughout the interview, yet still he handed out and offered sooo much context and depth of information about him and his entire life and not once did I hear him get caught out or box himself into a dead end! And probably one of the things that highlights what im referring to in this last paragraph the most was when he was asked about the 1988 Huntingdale attacks/break and enter/assaults etc, remembering that earlier that morning when he was read the charges against him when he was sitting on the floor at his Kewdale home one of those charges was specifically relating to Huntingdale etc, and so early on in the interview he was asked if he knew this person etc which he openly admitted and even elaborated on in so detail, the natural instinct for most is either lie or deny or both, but the fact that he openly discussed information about how he knew this person and how they had previously associated ie: mainly through BRE brother and the fact that BRE recalls very well that (I think it was the victims brother) tried to so called drown him in their pool a few times I’m sure we all get what he was referring to by this as such, but concluding here I guess I’m more referring to the fact that he acknowledged a reasonable amount of info and interaction about knowing the Huntingdale victim early on in the interview bearing in mind that a) he was well aware of the charges against him just in relation to this count, b) it was still early on in the whole overall interview so he would have had no idea as to what “potential rod for his own back” he could or could not have been creating at that stage, but yet c) the continuous amount, depth and specific recall of info he further went on to offer during the whole interview, yet still knowing that they had to of had some very direct and specific solid evidence against him whilst not knowing what it was but not want to incriminate himself by anything he may answer or mention throughout that interview that could have placed him right into the cross hairs of full stop guilty for one or all of the counts against him at that stage/time and then further place him into a hole he couldn’t get back out of, which also on its own merit remains unbelievable to this day that he even entered into any form of an interview with them fullstop! Which I’d like to talk more about that point alone at another time.
Sorry about my waffling here people and any spelling and grammar! But I was pretty keen to get this written out in the end as its been something Ive wanted to post about on here for a longggg time now J
One thing with BRE that I still find absolutely incredible and remarkable actually was his police interview, through some of my work channels over the years I’ve been involved with difference circumstances and individuals in a similar nature (not murder) but accident investigations and the like, and you do become in tune with different traits and demeanor's of people when its being done intentionally and unintentionally.
Make no mistake no matter how long people think or don’t think he’s had to potentially “plan” for such an occasion and interview the reality is its impossible, I listen to his interview at least 4 times for memory, and not once did he ever slip up or trip up on what he was saying, (I know we didn’t get to hear the full version but I doubt it differed much with how he carried himself) and I really ask people to think about this hey, firstly you’ve got two trained detectives that have had years on this case and then approx a week to plan as much information and questions to ask and to deliver it and employ certain tactics whilst doing so, (also not in a million years would both of those detectives have ever thought they’d get a 6 hour interview with him with not a lawyer in sight!! not to mention the enormity continuing to mount up on BRE as the day and the hours went on, he had his whole life up ended at the flick of a switch that morning and it started early that day too!
Bearing in mind the content and span of the information and topics covered in his interview to which a significant amount he either included or chose to elaborate on, you wouldn’t find too many individuals that could handle themselves like that under what would seem an enormous amount of duress, basically 0-48 years of his life he covered in detail, family, friends, relationships, places lived, school’s, his work/employment, hobbies, cars owned, car accidents, colour of those cars, places he socialized at, almost every notable detail and information about his mum and dad, sister and brother, the dates, time lines and specific details he continued to recount and offer were incredible! Keeping in mind that the more information that he was giving out to such specific detail could of an was reversed used to question him about certain periods in his life and were then tied in with other loaded questions they put to him, I even recall Aaron Capes at one stage (and it was a deliberate tactic employed by him) was loosely recounting some of the info that BRE had mentioned from earlier in the day about one of his cars (his old Holden for memory) and Capes was like so what did you do with your Holden after it was written off from the car accident you had on Stirling Hwy.. and BRE just casually corrected him and said no it wasn’t written off it just had a damaged front fender and drivers door XYZ which was actually the exact info BRE told them as to what happened with it from earlier in that interview.
But single-handedly the most incredible part to that whole interview was the fact that BRE would have known full well that the detectives would of and did have some very key known information alleging him to these crimes, but of course BRE would not have known even remotely as to what this information was or the depth of it, or if a what stage it might be used/mentioned/questioned with several of the responses that BRE had given throughout the interview, yet still he handed out and offered sooo much context and depth of information about him and his entire life and not once did I hear him get caught out or box himself into a dead end! And probably one of the things that highlights what im referring to in this last paragraph the most was when he was asked about the 1988 Huntingdale attacks/break and enter/assaults etc, remembering that earlier that morning when he was read the charges against him when he was sitting on the floor at his Kewdale home one of those charges was specifically relating to Huntingdale etc, and so early on in the interview he was asked if he knew this person etc which he openly admitted and even elaborated on in so detail, the natural instinct for most is either lie or deny or both, but the fact that he openly discussed information about how he knew this person and how they had previously associated ie: mainly through BRE brother and the fact that BRE recalls very well that (I think it was the victims brother) tried to so called drown him in their pool a few times I’m sure we all get what he was referring to by this as such, but concluding here I guess I’m more referring to the fact that he acknowledged a reasonable amount of info and interaction about knowing the Huntingdale victim early on in the interview bearing in mind that a) he was well aware of the charges against him just in relation to this count, b) it was still early on in the whole overall interview so he would have had no idea as to what “potential rod for his own back” he could or could not have been creating at that stage, but yet c) the continuous amount, depth and specific recall of info he further went on to offer during the whole interview, yet still knowing that they had to of had some very direct and specific solid evidence against him whilst not knowing what it was but not want to incriminate himself by anything he may answer or mention throughout that interview that could have placed him right into the cross hairs of full stop guilty for one or all of the counts against him at that stage/time and then further place him into a hole he couldn’t get back out of, which also on its own merit remains unbelievable to this day that he even entered into any form of an interview with them fullstop! Which I’d like to talk more about that point alone at another time.
Sorry about my waffling here people and any spelling and grammar! But I was pretty keen to get this written out in the end as its been something Ive wanted to post about on here for a longggg time now J
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Nice post and though I havent bothered to watch the police interviews - your account reads like someone who is happy to go to a line and not cross it
He would have calculated it all out while sitting on the floor of his house , and the paddy wagon and the cell etc and decided to tell most but not all
''Yeah Huntingdale I lived there for years and knew about the break ins etc''
' I worked a lot of shifts around Claremont so yeah I would have been there '' ( knowing he denied this initially) - but this friendly to a point manner
What detectives now have to sift through is what he didnt tell them
He would have calculated it all out while sitting on the floor of his house , and the paddy wagon and the cell etc and decided to tell most but not all
''Yeah Huntingdale I lived there for years and knew about the break ins etc''
' I worked a lot of shifts around Claremont so yeah I would have been there '' ( knowing he denied this initially) - but this friendly to a point manner
What detectives now have to sift through is what he didnt tell them
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Can you elaborate further on your comment here please "your account reads like someone who is happy to go to a line and not cross it" im genuinely interested to understand further as to what you mean by this?
That aside yes I do certainly agree with the comments you just made though with respects to BRE, but that said and its unfortunate that we cannot access the audio file of the interview such as when it was on the Supreme Court Website last year because if you did listen to it you might get a better understanding as to why i was pretty specific about it and why it actually is pretty remarkable, the whole loose reply's to questions where its never really a yeah or a nah but rather just a rounded amalgamated acknowledgment is something many people use, but seriously that approach doesn't and wouldn't stack up to a 6 hour interview like old mates, you end up leaving yourself to wide open, when this approach is used by the accused they start out answering just as you've mentioned as soon as they start sensing they're box in and the walls are closing in on them thats when they start replying with the "no comment" "no comment" to every question and pretty much as soon as that tone is set by them the detectives wrap the interview up and concluded it within a matter of minutes really.
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BRE was happy to go to a line and not cross it
Acknowledge knowing the people and places , admit to being somewhere but never admit to a specific criminal act
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Police watchdog calls for urgent legislation to stop errors in sex offenders register
Errors in management of the register are causing some predators to be wrongly left off the register while others were incorrectly monitored and imprisoned.
Errors led to at least 13 wrongful convictions and eight people were unlawfully imprisoned as a result, according to the commission.'
'the legislation made it difficult to know which offences were registrable, required a significant amount of detail to determine a person’s registration obligations, and led to inconsistent decisions because of ambiguity.'
One can only imagine what a dogs, horses and llama's breakfast the sex offenders and sex offenders treatment program registers* were back in the WA dark ages.
*the non-existent at the time registers that BRE should have been put on, that should have have been used decades earlier to flag him as a POI/suspect and likely resulted in his arrest and conviction of some of the crimes he eventually pleaded guilty or was found guilty of.
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Perhaps the recording can be released under the freedom of information act?
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A sexual assault related crime article in Today's West Australian newspaper, with links to UWA + Martial Arts (Judo) + Claremont, got my attention in a scan of the headlines this morning.
Two Perth men involved. One has done a runner.
One charged in with being an accessory after the fact in helping the other leave the country
One of them is only a few years older than BRE. The other might be around that generation too.
You'd think that WAPOL might be having a close look to see if any of the unsolved crime cases around the Western Suburbs from maybe as early as the late 80's, where BRE was also a potential suspect, might be in some way linked to at least the bloke accused of sexual assault.
Two Perth men involved. One has done a runner.
One charged in with being an accessory after the fact in helping the other leave the country
One of them is only a few years older than BRE. The other might be around that generation too.
You'd think that WAPOL might be having a close look to see if any of the unsolved crime cases around the Western Suburbs from maybe as early as the late 80's, where BRE was also a potential suspect, might be in some way linked to at least the bloke accused of sexual assault.
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I wonder why the Dorothy perp let Dorothy go? That seems strange to me…
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Darker hair , olive skin -as a younger person he fits the broad description of some
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