Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

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Thought the same thing, until the propensity evidence was revealed and I realised he'd been right under MACROs noses the entire time. For so long we were led to believe by the 'experts' the Claremont Serial Killer was a highly skilled, extremely intelligent even military trained super villain.

He was a lowly Telstra Tech with a history of priors and a sex offenders course.
No one has been found guilty of the crimes so he may not be a lowly Telstra guy!

Only the "experts" online have talked about highly skilled highly intelligent even military trained haven't they?

I remember a proper FBI expert Calwell saying something like while the killer pointed to a brazen and intelligent criminal, when this person is arrested, people are going to be absolutely astounded. They'll say I work with this person, he's my next door neighbour, it can't be him.

If it does turn out the accused is guilty, I think the expert has nailed it.
 

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Do you mean the CSK would likely have military training?

Who was that?
A forensic profiler, its in one of the many reports that was done over the years. There was also a very defensive senior cop who spoke at a meeting after Ciara went missing when two police cars were patrolling Claremont at the time, who played up the CSKs skill at snatching her seemingly right under their noses.

They should all forfeit their superannuation they were that incompetent. IMO. Of course they won't.
 
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I just reread my post & I forgot to add the "rapist" part of it & you only read it as I sad only "murders".
Yep that's what was written so naturally that's what I read.

In your post here you were making the point.....

"It's generally child killers/rapists that get roughed up & not all murderers. Yes all victims were very young when they were murdered but most in the system, the CSK is just a murderer"

My reply was in response to that comment and felt it was necessary to point out that BRE isn't just being accused of murder he's also being accused of rape so he technically falls into your aforementioned category of inmates and prisoners who are targeted.
So thanks for clearing that up.

The remainder of my post outlined my views on the younger generation, the affect the propensity evidence and pretrial hearings may have had on other inmates/prisoners and a bit of a stretched out theory regarding extra protection. No where in there did I suggest or accuse you of not knowing how the prison system works (perhaps this comment was for someone else?) nor was there any intention to attack you for your opinions, I expressed a different angle to it, is all.

"This happens with me at times because of having no short term memory from many brain surgeries
so please, cut me a bit of slack every now & then if you could."

While I haven't had brain surgeries my memory isn't the best either so when I'm posting something I double triple check before I put something together to be sure and even then I still manage to fluff things up from time to time.
I think it comes with the territory of Sluething actually, information overload, there's a lot to remember.

I can't speak for everyone or many but I'm not entirely sure you offended the majority of posters on here.
The only vibe I'm getting is that this topic has most likely run its course and it's time to move on from it.
I've covered what I've needed to say about it anyway, so I'm tapping out.
Peace.


Note: For some reason I can't quote singular paragraphs so have manually quoted.
 
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i can think of a lot more aspects of fraud at the moment going on sunshine....
it all depends...how you interpret fraud..
I have noted before that a lot of fraudsters and sex offenders have similar traits, eg grooming type tendencies. Whilst the offences haven't been publicised using this technique (although could have been to entice into car), to me this charade of L.A. reaks of it
 
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wonder if the kewdale little athletics club
was just a ploy
to make himself look outright upright
good as a citizen
or....

was everyone out for him
and so many lies were invented
......
Many killers lead normal lives, they "compartmentalise" the killer side in them and only ever let it out when they feel safe to do so. This is how they keep "cognitive disonance" at bay and exist in society without question.
 
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wonder if the kewdale little athletics club
was just a ploy
to make himself look outright upright
good as a citizen
or....

was everyone out for him
and so many lies were invented
......
No, he simply got involved because a childhood friend from Claremont Speedway days was a coach there and his stepdaughter and wife joined. I believe the coach is a witness, but not for that period I am led to believe. Maybe when the trial comes around, it'll make more sense. I'm presuming that it'll be about whether the accused was seen at Claremont speedway in the hours before each of the alleged offences. Bear in mind that many people would've also been at Claremont Speedway prior to each offence, as they worked there or were part of the competing teams, so I'm not sure if that'll be the extent of it or not. I'm just guessing.

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I have noted before that a lot of fraudsters and sex offenders have similar traits, eg grooming type tendencies. Whilst the offences haven't been publicised using this technique (although could have been to entice into car), to me this charade of L.A. reaks of it
"grooming type tendencies"
please if i may ask
what do you mean by this such statement
interested
 

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I have noted before that a lot of fraudsters and sex offenders have similar traits, eg grooming type tendencies. Whilst the offences haven't been publicised using this technique (although could have been to entice into car), to me this charade of L.A. reaks of it
Agree but we need to be careful in any discussion around 'grooming' which generally refers to a paedophile's method of gaining children and often their guardians or parents, trust.

There are no charges that we know of through the period BRE was active in LA and no doubt, investigators would have been thorough in their enquiries.
 
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"grooming type tendencies"
please if i may ask
what do you mean by this such statement
interested
Sure.....
It isn't meant in the literal sense of grooming children. I do not feel the accused has any evidence of this and don't believe this is the victim type. I meant it as just grooming behaviour in general. Often a sexual offender of children I would consider to be 'grooming the family' to get to the children or a fraudster 'grooming their victim' to get to the target eg money.

I see the LA as means to put up a front as a good citizen to further push him to the back of people's minds as ever being suspicious.

I do also like Bonza's point, I feel though it has also been deliberate.
 

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No one has been found guilty of the crimes so he may not be a lowly Telstra guy!

Only the "experts" online have talked about highly skilled highly intelligent even military trained haven't they?

I remember a proper FBI expert Calwell saying something like while the killer pointed to a brazen and intelligent criminal, when this person is arrested, people are going to be absolutely astounded. They'll say I work with this person, he's my next door neighbour, it can't be him.

If it does turn out the accused is guilty, I think the expert has nailed it.
Not to rein on the profilers parade but how long after the crimes was this profile done?

They haven't been caught or told anyone means they're somewhat intelligent. Further points to them not needing to commit petty crimes to survive, means they have a stable job. Everyone has a neighbour and how many people know what their neighbour gets up to inside their house let alone outside of it.

Just need to look at the cases were kids have been held prisoners in a home for years on end with no one knowing anything about it.
 
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Not to rein on the profilers parade but how long after the crimes was this profile done?

They haven't been caught or told anyone means they're somewhat intelligent. Further points to them not needing to commit petty crimes to survive, means they have a stable job. Everyone has a neighbour and how many people know what their neighbour gets up to inside their house let alone outside of it.

Just need to look at the cases were kids have been held prisoners in a home for years on end with no one knowing anything about it.
Think Caldwell's were made around 1998 or 99 and he may have been brought over from the States again years later. He had access to the crime scene information and gave what may be a very accurate profile.

Just because the accused doesn't have a Uni degree "Intelligent and cunning" may perfectly describe him. When the accused was charged people were astounded, he could have been your next door neighbour and workmates couldn't believe it.

Can remember someone who may or may not have been a professional giving a talk at Murdoch Uni years later suggesting possible military training.

Can't rule out the CSK (whoever it may be) may have had or had relatives with military and cartography training.
 

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Can't rule out the CSK (whoever it may be) may have had or had relatives with military and cartography training.
The porn produced at propensity, particularly the movie Forced Entry and the storyline had me curious about whether any relatives were Vietnam vets. One close relative was registered for the draft, he wasn't called up though.

I believe he was working on comms infrastructure at the time, locally.
 
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The porn produced at propensity, particularly the movie Forced Entry and the storyline had me curious about whether any relatives were Vietnam vets. One close relative was registered for the draft, he wasn't called up though.

I believe he was working on comms infrastructure at the time, locally.
I know that you watch heaps of porn Fluffy, and no doubt it gets hard to keep track ...but Forced Entry 2002 was the propensity evidence tendered not the 1971 Nam version or any other version which we have no real idea if the accused has ever seen.
2002 is an unabashed homage to night stalker Richard Ramirez . The opening depiction of the ruse used to gain entry to the victims home is eerily similar to an unsolved brutal Perth rape of a German au pair close to Claremont where the offender arrived on the doorstep concealing a knife in a bunch of Lillies...of course lillies being the emblem of the old Macro Task force.
Pre arrest there was some very interesting posters on internet forums who seemed convinced the CSK was imitating notable serial killers of the past and a popular Hollywood film......
 
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I don't think we have heard the full extent of the accused online activities by a long stretch. Am wondering if the Gary Hughes Blog will get a mention at trial....pre arrest all sorts of kooks where posting all sorts of hogwash online about the case....what brought the good doctor and his later aliases into such sharp nationwide focus....he has dropped a hint or two in amongst the guff that certainly made investigators sit up and take notice,,,,,,,
 

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I know that you watch heaps of porn Fluffy, and no doubt it gets hard to keep track ...but Forced Entry 2002 was the propensity evidence tendered not the 1971 Nam version or any other version which we have no real idea if the accused has ever seen.
2002 is an unabashed homage to night stalker Richard Ramirez . The opening depiction of the ruse used to gain entry to the victims home is eerily similar to an unsolved brutal Perth rape of a German au pair close to Claremont where the offender arrived on the doorstep concealing a knife in a bunch of Lillies...of course lillies being the emblem of the old Macro Task force.
Pre arrest there was some very interesting posters on internet forums who seemed convinced the CSK was imitating notable serial killers of the past and a popular Hollywood film......
Excuse moi, do not badger my fluffy thank you and I do not watch porn. I admit I watched the censored original youtube version of Forced Entry (there was a kimono in that one) and looked at the synopsis but was not the 2002 version just a remake of the earlier one?

Since when did Richard Ramirez show up anywhere with flowers?
 

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I know that you watch heaps of porn Fluffy, and no doubt it gets hard to keep track ...but Forced Entry 2002 was the propensity evidence tendered not the 1971 Nam version or any other version which we have no real idea if the accused has ever seen.
2002 is an unabashed homage to night stalker Richard Ramirez .
Also like to just add that the original version had not only a kimono in it but said serial killer rapist waiting for a woman behind a door when she got out of the shower. Just like the attack in the Huntingdale prowler series.
 

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Also like to just add that the original version had not only a kimono in it but said serial killer rapist waiting for a woman behind a door when she got out of the shower. Just like the attack in the Huntingdale prowler series.
seriously...
shellyg...
but how many years apart from these dates recorded....
every door in the shower room had some sort of overcoat/dressing/gown/
in past years
and we need to remember the mind can play very odd tricks after viewing content....
of such
 
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