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Photo hobby? Where? Wot! Did I miss something?
Yes I spotted something the other week referring to BRE being interested in private photography.

The 48-year-old Telstra technician and amateur photographer was arrested after cold case detectives allegedly linked DNA from Ms Glennon to a 1995 rape at Perth’s Karrakatta Cemetery and a kimono linked to the scene of a 1988 assault on a sleeping teenager in Huntingdale.

 

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Yes I spotted something the other week referring to BRE being interested in private photography.

The 48-year-old Telstra technician and amateur photographer was arrested after cold case detectives allegedly linked DNA from Ms Glennon to a 1995 rape at Perth’s Karrakatta Cemetery and a kimono linked to the scene of a 1988 assault on a sleeping teenager in Huntingdale.

Thanks, I wonder how far back his interest in photography goes. I'd think some way if he was up all night on chat programs in the mid 1990's as per EBs (first wife) statement.
 

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The use of the initials CG really threw me for a bit!

I actually agree with the defense. Without actual evidence showing what knot was used it's irrelevant (imo) whether he was a professional knotsmen(?) or knot not.

To me it sounds like the knot evidence only relates to the Karrakatta crime, so there was no bindings found where CG was found?
Same, agree that particular knot evidence should be thrown out. What I'm really curious about is if this 'cord' or whatever it is, is the same bindings that had print shops being looked into? If I remember this correctly, there was some sort of residue left on the ties that indicated a transfer of lettering? A chemical used in print shops or ink ..

There was a lot of discussion about it.

Post arrest with knowledge of who he was, my head went straight away to line for hanging drying photographs in a dark room which is probably wrong but I'm still curious as to what the residue was and if it was found on the KK victims ties or other.
 

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Thanks, I wonder how far back his interest in photography goes. I'd think some way if he was up all night on chat programs in the mid 1990's as per EBs (first wife) statement.
Good point. Seems to have liked online participation. I don't think he could have kept away from online boards about the CSK! Will be interesting to find out and see if any on here were chatting to him.

By the way your new bunny ears avatar is creepiod :thumbsdown: Does it have any significance for you?
 

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if he was up all night on chat programs in the mid 1990's as per EBs (first wife) statement.
I knew a few addicted online "IRC" chatters in 1995.
For those of us that were into IRC on our computers from the mid-90's the names, dalnet, efnet, ircnet, and undernet would be familiar.

IRC (Internet Relay Chat) was a bit like twitch or youtube live chat, but without any graphics.

I remember in 1996 (I wasn't using it until the about the end of 95), that on the popular IRC servers you could log into from an IRC application, there were thousands of colourfully named channels with overt names suggestive of everything you could imagine. Pretty sure it was also full of overtly named channels set up for all sorts of unsavoury discussion, trading and entrapping. Probably had some covertly named ones on things like cross-dressing, and snow dropping, for people around the globe to get together on their pet topics (digitally speaking). It was so long ago, I can't even remember what nickname I used to use for some pretty dorky channel chats, and the occasional online dating/flirting with locals. There were lots of Perth hook-ups and meet-ups that started from these IRC online chats.

During the summer of 1994, the Undernet was itself forked. The new network was called DALnet (named after its founder: dalvenjah), formed for better user service and more user and channel protections. One of the more significant changes in DALnet was use of longer nicknames (the original ircd limit being 9 letters). DALnet ircd modifications were made by Alexei "Lefler" Kosut. DALnet was thus based on the Undernet ircd server, although the DALnet pioneers were EFnet abandoners. According to James Ng the initial DALnet people were "ops in #StarTrek sick from the constant splits/lags/takeovers/etc".
DALnet quickly offered global WallOps (IRCop messages that can be seen by users who are +w (/mode NickName +w)), longer nicknames, Q:Lined nicknames (nicknames that cannot be used i.e. ChanServ, IRCop, NickServ, etc.), global K:Lines (ban of one person or an entire domain from a server or the entire network), IRCop only communications: GlobOps, +H mode showing that an IRCop is a "helpop" etc. Much of DALnet's new functions were written in early 1995 by Brian "Morpher" Smith and allow users to own nicknames, control channels, send memos, and more.[/quote'
 

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Same, agree that particular knot evidence should be thrown out. What I'm really curious about is if this 'cord' or whatever it is, is the same bindings that had print shops being looked into? If I remember this correctly, there was some sort of residue left on the ties that indicated a transfer of lettering? A chemical used in print shops or ink ..

There was a lot of discussion about it.

Post arrest with knowledge of who he was, my head went straight away to line for hanging drying photographs in a dark room which is probably wrong but I'm still curious as to what the residue was and if it was found on the KK victims ties or other.
I completely forgot about the ink residue they searched for. Thanks for the reminder :)
 

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Whereas today's West Australian Newspaper's CSK headline story leads with a title of

Claremont prosecutors chastised as evidence ruled out
and
Judge chastises prosecutors over evidence failings as separate hearing revealed
the paper copy of the newspaper has a front page graphic and headline of
CLAREMONT KILLER TRIAL SHOCK BLOW TO CASE AGAINST EDWARDS
Interesting that the word "SERIAL" is omitted from that sentence. Probably just omitted to save space, as they've used the word "serial" early on in the Special Report on p6-7.

The p6-7 headline is
JUDGE DELIVERS EVIDENCE BLOW
with a subheading of
Underwear fetish on long list of claims Claremont Prosecutors cannot rely on
The West has really ramped up the drama on this case with that headline today.
 
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Good point. Seems to have liked online participation. I don't think he could have kept away from online boards about the CSK! Will be interesting to find out and see if any on here were chatting to him.

By the way your new bunny ears avatar is creepiod :thumbsdown: Does it have any significance for you?
I'll change it, I was just having a general black sheep moment. Nothing sinister. 😀
 

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The ecourt transcript references CG stating when they first started dating, his hobbies were going to the movies and playing volleyball.

Court or beach volleyball, I want to know. Which beach? Cottesloe? And did have a red pair of speedos, like his profile The Hoff? :eyes:
back in the mid to late 90's there was an indoor beach volleyball place in kelmscott. there is currently one in canning vale too, both nearby suburbs.
 

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That was an interesting read Sorbet Bliss. There were a few things that got my attention, particularly:

"5. CH
43 CH met the accused a number of times in the mid-1990s because
a good friend of hers was going out with the accused's brother. She
went out to restaurants with the accused on a number of occasions. The
objection is to paragraphs 54 - 58 of her statement. In those paragraphs
she states that on one occasion she was in the accused's car when he
detoured to show her what he described as a worksite. He pulled up in
an area that had a clearing that was about half-an-acre with smaller
shrubs and trees around it. It was somewhere south of the river. The
accused wanted her to get out of the car but she said no as she could not
see much point. She said she could not understand why he took her
there as there was nothing to see.
She said that she told him it was
boring and wanted to go. They then left and continued to their
destination. She said that the accused was not happy that she was not
interested but he did not get cross."

Creepy in hindsight.
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"6. Tracey Jane Chrystal
51 As regards to the evidence relating to the blue sedan the State
says that it is relevant because it shows that the accused had access to a
variety of vehicles and in particular a blue vehicle in circumstances
where one of the witnesses in the Telstra living witness incidents refers
to being driven around in a blue vehicle.
The defence sought further
time to consider this aspect of the evidence."
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"10. Deryck Foulner
64. ... In regard to the Telstra
living witness incidents, the State points to one incident relating to the
witness Katrina Jones which occurred in early December of 1995. She
describes a van pulling over and the driver offering to give her a lift.
She climbed into the van and described it as having no writing or logos
on it but that the driver said he worked in telecommunications
. This
incident occurred near to the Albion Hotel on Stirling Highway. The
State submit that an inference can be drawn that whoever was driving
this van was the same person who was parking in Karrakatta as
described by Mr Foulner."

M O established?
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"14. The police interview
78 The accused was interviewed by police on 22 December 2016.
Objection is made to two passages in that interview. The first passage
appears at page 130 - 131 of the interview transcript. After a passage in
which the accused admits dressing up in women's clothing but then
denies it
, the interviewing officer presses him for more details and the
accused says that he does not feel comfortable talking about it. He is
pressed in this regard but maintains that he does not wish to answer."

If you didn't dress up in women's clothes you wouldn't be uncomfortable talking about it.
Don't be surprised to see the dressing up in womens clothing explained away as a "footy thing". "Just did it for a laugh".

Also, living witnesses he drove to remote areas but then didn't do any harm too could also be used by the defense as a point of his innocence. "If my client is the cold-hearted serial killer the prosecution are making him out to be these witnesses would not be here to tell their tale" (maybe worded better than that).
 

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Don't be surprised to see the dressing up in womens clothing explained away as a "footy thing". "Just did it for a laugh".

Also, living witnesses he drove to remote areas but then didn't do any harm too could also be used by the defense as a point of his innocence. "If my client is the cold-hearted serial killer the prosecution are making him out to be these witnesses would not be here to tell their tale" (maybe worded better than that).
But friend, second wife has made statement as witness to husband dressing up in womens undergarments. There's also the 'box' investigators found, with his DNA all over the contents of said 'box'.
 

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Let's hope they are watching over the accused Claremont Killer more closely than in the case of Jeffrey Epstein.

 

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I just did a quick survey of moderator shelly's avatar from all the other human occupants at my place.

The consensus was that shelly's new avatar is more funny than scary, and at a glance, looks like a black sheep (more than a bunny).
Looked like a creepy bunny to me so thanks to shellyg for changing it! Quite partial to the Murial's wedding female avatar for a mod:cool:
 

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New poster here. I’ve been reading the media articles. It doesn’t appear that the first wife remarried, since she kept the Edwards surname.
What happened to the baby? They’d be about 22/23 by now.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/claremont-serial-killer-case-bradley-edwards-fronts-court-after-hospital-visit-20190219-p50yqg.html
Hi. His first wife as per court documents is referred to as EB and we should be guided by those when making our own references.
 

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According to media articles the state is attempting to establish that the “accused” CSK had a fetish for women’s underwear and garments.
Is the state prosecution trying to establish or prove what’s called an MO or signature? Is anyone able to shed some light on the subject?

These are only my thoughts, but could it be possible that when the two victims were located (JR & CG) their bodies were staged to suggest the perpetrator had dressed up in women’s clothing. Due to the lack of witnesses, there’s no one to advise if the perp. dressed up. I’m aware a kimono was left at the Huntingdale home.

What are other peoples’ views about propensity evidence?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-19/claremont-serial-killer-accused-bradley-edwards-faces-hearing/10823398
 

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But friend, second wife has made statement as witness to husband dressing up in womens undergarments. There's also the 'box' investigators found, with his DNA all over the contents of said 'box'.
I am sure most men have dressed up in their wifes underwear for a laugh. As for the box, Cricket is our national sport.
 

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I am sure most men have dressed up in their wifes underwear for a laugh.
More likely when in a hurry to get some on, when they have run out of clean undies, and none of the kids one's fit, and they are not going on a date, or in search of a new mate, and wearing the undies of last resort, is a better option than either unclean ones, a thin pair of running shorts, sports skins, or no undies. But no laughing matter.
 

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Do you have piccies Craigos?
I'm very much among the few in my age group who doesn't use social media. Speaking of, will his social media accounts become public after the trial or will they just remain deleted forever?
 

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Same, agree that particular knot evidence should be thrown out. What I'm really curious about is if this 'cord' or whatever it is, is the same bindings that had print shops being looked into? If I remember this correctly, there was some sort of residue left on the ties that indicated a transfer of lettering? A chemical used in print shops or ink ..

There was a lot of discussion about it.

Post arrest with knowledge of who he was, my head went straight away to line for hanging drying photographs in a dark room which is probably wrong but I'm still curious as to what the residue was and if it was found on the KK victims ties or other.
Line marking paint would be my guess. Telstra haul ropes in the back of the van would presumably be covered in the stuff
 
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