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Sorbet Bliss

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I also noticed last night (and again this morning to be sure before I posted) that the recent 9th August 2019 WASC doc (see below) has been removed from the decisions citation list on the ecourts portal website and the link I provided on here and media thread when clicked on now comes up with;
"This document is no longer available" message.
(It is however still available via the austlii website)
We might see an amended version of this document published on the ecourts portal before today's directions hearing, so will keep an eye out.


THE STATE OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA -v- EDWARDS [No 2] [2019] WASC 282

HEARD: 24 & 25 JUNE 2019
DELIVERED: 9 AUGUST 2019


Criminal law - Evidence - Whether evidence is relevant - Rulings made.


Below is the ecourts portal "recent decisions by party name" link. Although straight forward, for those who aren't familiar with navigating the site Scroll down to the list of letters in alphabetical order, click on E>ED> BRE's name and you'll see that the 9th of August judgement in the citation list is missing.
 

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Casefile has a new CSK podcast out From the Files

A little bit of new information, through the Huntingdale Prowler Series a mini taskforce was formed to investigate the crimes.

Given how seriously the offences were taken, it's beyond me how the prowlers fingerprint that was lifted as evidence failed to make it into the new system.
 

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Still listening to this Casefile pod and something else jumped out regards the Telstra living witnesses. The host asked the reporter who's been at most of the court hearings if the Telstra witnesses reported their account to the police when it happened and it's thought at this stage, due to the comprehensive detail that they did.
 

Sorbet Bliss

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This just in;

"At a directions hearing on Tuesday, prosecutors made an application for a suppression order, which Justice Stephen Hall begrudgingly granted, saying it "should have been anticipated before now".
"I would ask the state give careful consideration of what is to come," Justice Hall said.

"The reprimand comes four days after Justice Hall reminded prosecutors he had drawn "a line in the sand" regarding new evidence, which will now only be allowed with his approval after a formal application."

"He made the comment after future applications were flagged, warning they may not be granted if they came too late."

 

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"At a directions hearing on Tuesday, prosecutors made an application for a suppression order, which Justice Stephen Hall begrudgingly granted, saying it "should have been anticipated before now".
"I would ask the state give careful consideration of what is to come," Justice Hall said.
Did we see something we shouldn't have? ;)
 

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Did we see something we shouldn't have? ;)

Yep. Derp.


A former boyfriend of the first wife of Bradley Robert Edwards – who is accused of being the Claremont serial killer – will have his name suppressed during the upcoming triple murder trial, after a belated application by prosecutors to keep his identity secret.

 

Sorbet Bliss

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At a directions hearing on Tuesday, prosecutors made an application to suppress a witness's name, which Justice Stephen Hall begrudgingly granted, saying it was "frankly annoying".

"He noted the name of the witness had been mentioned at least 35 times at a June hearing and the need for a suppression "should have been anticipated before now".

 

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I guess anyone that downloaded a copy of the original document (eg, moi) should run their texta over a certain name. Only problem is that the name's suppressed now so we don't know* which name to run it over unless we check in to the above website, which we may or may not.
 

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I wonder who gets to decide on the 2 letter acronyms that end up in place of the real names of the witnesses in these court documents?
Surely they do not ask the witnesses what 2 letter acronym they want or don't want to be used?
 

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There was some talk that full disclosure hadn't occurred yet either ... so I'm curious whether they've handed over the DNA evidence and report yet?
 

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Casefile has a new CSK podcast out From the Files

A little bit of new information, through the Huntingdale Prowler Series a mini taskforce was formed to investigate the crimes.

Given how seriously the offences were taken, it's beyond me how the prowlers fingerprint that was lifted as evidence failed to make it into the new system.
its also beyond me how they were never solved. if it was just a usual investigative case you could be excused for thinking the detectives were over worked and short on time to spend on the case. given there was a task force formed its surprising they were never solved.
 

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its also beyond me how they were never solved. if it was just a usual investigative case you could be excused for thinking the detectives were over worked and short on time to spend on the case. given there was a task force formed its surprising they were never solved.
Very surprising, agree. And then he just stopped. IMO a teenager with a sexually driven compulsion that seems almost frenzied, that is clearly he was out of control and prepared to extreme violence - does not just stop without some sort of medical or psychiatric intervention. Or a huge fright, like getting caught.

I'm a bit suspicious that it was simply that he conveniently acquired a girlfriend and when most might run at the first sight of knotted stockings, nighties and ladies underwear.
 

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Same, agree that particular knot evidence should be thrown out. What I'm really curious about is if this 'cord' or whatever it is, is the same bindings that had print shops being looked into? If I remember this correctly, there was some sort of residue left on the ties that indicated a transfer of lettering? A chemical used in print shops or ink ..

There was a lot of discussion about it.

Post arrest with knowledge of who he was, my head went straight away to line for hanging drying photographs in a dark room which is probably wrong but I'm still curious as to what the residue was and if it was found on the KK victims ties or other.
My punt would be his night stalking didn’t stop in huntingdale

The rope was probably taken from the shop referred to all those years back.


I think this was all before his second wife opened a restaurant nearby which coincidentally isn’t far from the SS scream location
 

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Someone please provide more information on why some/most/all Telstra haul ropes would be covered in line marking paint.
Line markings used by Telecom technicians near pits. Telstra haul rope is pulled through conduits to bring cables into pits, and as the rope is pulled through and forms a pile, it would come into contact with the painted line markings. Rope is put back into the van to be used over again and again. Over time the ropes and areas in the van where the rope is stowed would all be contaminated with line marking paint. So unless it's a brand new Telstra rope never used for cable pulling, the most likely contaminate would be line marking paint IMO.
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its also beyond me how they were never solved. if it was just a usual investigative case you could be excused for thinking the detectives were over worked and short on time to spend on the case. given there was a task force formed its surprising they were never solved.
If Huntingdale had been solved at the time it wouldnt have remained a cold case & they'd never have tested the kimono in 2016. A 2nd conviction may scare someone enough to stop the escalation but it might not. No Kimono, no DNA match, no Huntingdale file to connect to the accused, no arrest IMO.

Macro couldn't crack the CSK case, the cold case squad inadvertently did. Profilers told Macro where to look to find the person responsible in the late 90's & they ignored it. Schramm identified the potential DNA source for them & specifically told them to follow the Telstra lead in 2004 & what happened? Nothing.

The security guard reported seeing the Telstra Van driving by the night KK was attacked & turned up there. Numerous reports of people being given a lift by a Telstra guy at the time!

FFS, they couldn't trace a Telecom worker who had already been convicted of an assault & completed a court ordered sexual offender program after he pled guilty to a crime committed in the exact same area as the rape & murders, whilst on the job for Telecom?

If a conviction is finally secured it will be with the evidence that was available to Macro & the SCS the whole time & they were told to look at specifically more than once, but still couldn't work it out. They got lucky Huntingdale was never solved IMO.
 
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