Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

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The security guard reported seeing the Telstra Van driving by the night KK was attacked & turned up there. Numerous reports of people being given a lift by a Telstra guy at the time!

FFS, they couldn't trace a Telecom worker who had already been convicted of an assault & completed a court ordered sexual offender program after he pled guilty to a crime committed in the exact same area as the rape & murders, whilst on the job for Telecom?
To add to that, one of the Telstra living witnesses who will appear for the prosecution, made a report witnessing a guy in a light coloured Telstra badged wagon lurking and staring at girls in the immediate area of where Sarah disappeared on the actual night Sarah disappeared.

He also had an accident on the Stirling Highway in his Telstra badged vehicle.
 

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To add to that, one of the Telstra living witnesses who will appear for the prosecution, made a report witnessing a guy in a light coloured Telstra badged wagon lurking and staring at girls in the immediate area of where Sarah disappeared on the actual night Sarah disappeared.

He also had an accident on the Stirling Highway in his Telstra badged vehicle.
I love that you remind me of info I've forgotten about :)
 

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To add to that, one of the Telstra living witnesses who will appear for the prosecution, made a report witnessing a guy in a light coloured Telstra badged wagon lurking and staring at girls in the immediate area of where Sarah disappeared on the actual night Sarah disappeared.

He also had an accident on the Stirling Highway in his Telstra badged vehicle.
I wasn’t aware a vehicle was involved in an accident. If that was a vehicle allocated to him, he’d need to explain the damage to his superiors – at that stage was his father his line-manager? If there was damage perhaps that wasn’t reported for an extended period.
Also, they’d have pool vehicles which could get returned without explaining damages – just park and go. Pool vehicles usually have log books who drives them, including the distance and area they travelled to - those details can be fudged.
 

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I wasn’t aware a vehicle was involved in an accident. If that was a vehicle allocated to him, he’d need to explain the damage to his superiors – at that stage was his father his line-manager? If there was damage perhaps that wasn’t reported for an extended period.
Also, they’d have pool vehicles which could get returned without explaining damages – just park and go. Pool vehicles usually have log books who drives them, including the distance and area they travelled to - those details can be fudged.
The prosecution is using it in their case against so there must be some sort of a paper trail that proves it was him.
 

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The prosecution is using it in their case against so there must be some sort of a paper trail that proves it was him.
Thanks for the information, good that’s being used as evidence - puts him within the area. Government departments usually have allocated teams for designated areas and people rostered after-hours for emergencies. He'd need to explain why he was there, unless management didn't bother about using the vehicle after hours. During that time, I wonder if he was working within the western suburbs, on a specific project. That might explain how he had time to spend within the area. Travelling back and forth from Huntingdale to the western suburbs probably took 45 minutes – one way.
 

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Thanks for the information, good that’s being used as evidence - puts him within the area. Government departments usually have allocated teams for designated areas and people rostered after-hours for emergencies. He'd need to explain why he was there, unless management didn't bother about using the vehicle after hours. During that time, I wonder if he was working within the western suburbs, on a specific project. That might explain how he had time to spend within the area. Travelling back and forth from Huntingdale to the western suburbs probably took 45 minutes – one way.
After the Hollywood Hospital attack apparently he started work at Claremont Superdome, so that also puts him in the area. Stationed at Cottesloe, I think he shouldn't have lied to the police in saying he wasn't familiar with Claremont.
 

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After the Hollywood Hospital attack apparently he started work at Claremont Superdome, so that also puts him in the area. Stationed at Cottesloe, I think he shouldn't have lied to the police in saying he wasn't familiar with Claremont.
I get the impression that whilst being interviewed he's remained quiet. Just the occasional shrug of shoulders with an I don't know response. When crimes are committed the perp. usually has an alibi for those time-spans. As more than twenty-years have passed, it would be very difficult for someone to provide an alibi because they simply can't remember.
Regarding SS - my thoughts are someone initially did provide an alibi but then changed their mind - after thinking it through. These are just my thoughts and opinions
 

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I get the impression that whilst being interviewed he's remained quiet. Just the occasional shrug of shoulders with an I don't know response. When crimes are committed the perp. usually has an alibi for those time-spans. As more than twenty-years have passed, it would be very difficult for someone to provide an alibi because they simply can't remember.
Regarding SS - my thoughts are someone initially did provide an alibi but then changed their mind - after thinking it through. These are just my thoughts and opinions
We were led to believe initially that he made a 'no comment' interview or was uncooperative basically but it now appears that wasn't quite correct. He made admissions to dressing up in womens clothes but then wouldn't expand saying words to the effect "I feel uncomfortable talking about it." and said he wasn't familiar with the Claremont area. It's in the media thread or in one of the links here.

Far as I'm aware we haven't seen a transcript yet though.
 

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We were led to believe initially that he made a 'no comment' interview or was uncooperative basically but it now appears that wasn't quite correct. He made admissions to dressing up in womens clothes but then wouldn't expand saying words to the effect "I feel uncomfortable talking about it." and said he wasn't familiar with the Claremont area. It's in the media thread or in one of the links here.

Far as I'm aware we haven't seen a transcript yet though.
It makes me wonder if the two victims (JR & CG) were located with items of women's clothing. Clothing or lingerie worn by the perp. and left there on purpose, as in his personal signature. Initially, I thought the kimono was left by mistake, but now I think it was purposely left. Back in 1988 DNA was in its infancy and perhaps the CSK overlooked the future consequences or implication. JMO
 
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I don't think BRE would be too concerned with reporting an accident he had in a company vehicle, I mean he (don't even have to say allegedly) tried to kidnap and sexually assault a person whilst on the job and still didn't get in trouble from Telecom.
 

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I don't think BRE would be too concerned with reporting an accident he had in a company vehicle, I mean he (don't even have to say allegedly) tried to kidnap and sexually assault a person whilst on the job and still didn't get in trouble from Telecom.
I wonder if BRE received a written warning from Telstra about the assault. It seems the sexual bit may have been played down and possibly put across that the incident was an exaggeration on her part - like she had overreacted! I can imagine BRE explaining the incident to management, providing a one-sided explanation. JMO
I read somewhere that the lady was about 40 - that makes her 70 something now.
 
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Was there a chance he could have dressed up as a woman to lure a victim into the car? Or rather it was just the underwear.... the HH and KC were snatch and grab efforts and likely the others were too
 

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Was there a chance he could have dressed up as a woman to lure a victim into the car? Or rather it was just the underwear.... the HH and KC were snatch and grab efforts and likely the others were too
Good thinking - I suppose he could have passed for a female, except the facial growth - dark shadow of beard and moustache area.
Perhaps it may have been a wig that they found with the victims - if they found anything to do with women's clothing - that I don't know. JMO
 

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Here's an interesting (and very disturbing) site that shows serial killers that dressed in their victims clothes. Horrible, and some I'd never heard of, as I said, disturbing.

 

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Here's an interesting (and very disturbing) site that shows serial killers that dressed in their victims clothes. Horrible, and some I'd never heard of, as I said, disturbing.

Thank you for the interesting article. I’ve read beforehand that SKs have made claims that as a child they were dressed as a girl. Below is an article regarding three SKs. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/shadow-boxing/201611/boys-dressed-girls-who-became-serial-killers
The article's final paragraph reads: Regardless of the general effect of dressing boys like girls, it does seem clear that for at least three of these offenders, their mothers' decisions to treat them as girls did influence their development into violent predators with specific paraphilia – at least, as they tell it.
 

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Here's an interesting (and very disturbing) site that shows serial killers that dressed in their victims clothes. Horrible, and some I'd never heard of, as I said, disturbing.

Jerry Brudos is in there. I've read BRE being likened to a few serial killers but his mo, criminal trajectory into serial killing and psychology is so very similar to Brudos including trouble with the law, peeping, snowdropping, mental health assessments, the transvestic fetish, even marriage where his wife caught him in a girdle and stockings.

Too many similarities for me to remember atm but it was startling. He took trophies, sawing the foot off one victim and kept it. He had a particular liking for shoes but it didn't stop there.
 

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Same, agree that particular knot evidence should be thrown out. What I'm really curious about is if this 'cord' or whatever it is, is the same bindings that had print shops being looked into? If I remember this correctly, there was some sort of residue left on the ties that indicated a transfer of lettering? A chemical used in print shops or ink ..

There was a lot of discussion about it.

Post arrest with knowledge of who he was, my head went straight away to line for hanging drying photographs in a dark room which is probably wrong but I'm still curious as to what the residue was and if it was found on the KK victims ties or other.
I completely forgot about the ink residue they searched for. Thanks for the reminder :)
From what i remember back then there several possibilities of what they we looking for thrown around, the least mentioned was Methyl Chloroform which is used in print shops to clean the equipment. It is (or was, it was found to be ozone damaging and banned in the 90s) generally used a solvent in other applications and industries.
 

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He took trophies, sawing the foot off one victim and kept it.
Not that I'm suggesting BRE did that. I think his trophies if police have found nothing that belonged to the victims, was possibly the stories he wrote which aren't admissable anyway.

Or, depending on how old the 'girdle' found in his toy box is he may have been wearing that at the time. That it's being called a 'girdle' might indicate it's a dated item.
 

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Not that I'm suggesting BRE did that. I think his trophies if police have found nothing that belonged to the victims, was possibly the stories he wrote which aren't admissable anyway.

Or, depending on how old the 'girdle' found in his toy box is he may have been wearing that at the time. That it's being called a 'girdle' might indicate it's a dated item.
"Girdle" perhaps mother's hence dated?
 

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Jerry Brudos is in there. I've read BRE being likened to a few serial killers but his mo, criminal trajectory into serial killing and psychology is so very similar to Brudos including trouble with the law, peeping, snowdropping, mental health assessments, the transvestic fetish, even marriage where his wife caught him in a girdle and stockings.

Too many similarities for me to remember atm but it was startling. He took trophies, sawing the foot off one victim and kept it. He had a particular liking for shoes but it didn't stop there.
I’ve just watched a couple of Youtube videos on Jerry Brudos and yes, he certainly sounds similar.

When you think about it, men who cross-dress probably start at a young age. Perhaps a mother might think they’re gay and try to shame them into stopping.
I suppose families who have a CD keep it quiet and when they’re older it doesn’t get mentioned. The mother wouldn’t want the son to ostracize himself and keep a distance, so they choose to turn a blind eye. Family members probably wouldn’t tell the father - to keep the peace.
The CD probably wouldn’t go to the shop and buy clothing, therefore steals from someone’s clothesline.
 

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