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Whatever that pic is to right, imo it is significant and specific to Jane Rimmer. Not Ciara.

Although the loop is interesting. When disposing of victims out of his car, Ted Bundy always used a looped track as a precaution against being trapped.
 

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If Ciara and Jane were similarly dropped off near tracks he couldn't be trapped on, Sarah will be also.

It might also mean the sites were chosen so he could take his time. Like Bundy did.

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There were two things that stood out to me and that I think were possibly pointed out in the West Australian the sites Ciara and Jane were found were similar in that they were both:
- secluded spots in thick bush
- within a couple of kms of a major road artery. (Both were off the end of the Mitchell (Wanneroo Road) /Kwinana Freeway though it didn't extend to the location).

I agree with you that they probably were in a location that they couldn't be seen from the road. I suspect the locations that were pre-determined prior to the alleged murders. Whether they were intended to be found is questionable. Most views on forums I have seen seem to think they were yet both bodies seemed to be found by accident.
 

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There were two things that stood out to me and that I think were possibly pointed out in the West Australian the sites Ciara and Jane were found were similar in that they were both:
- secluded spots in thick bush
- within a couple of kms of a major road artery. (Both were off the end of the Mitchell (Wanneroo Road) /Kwinana Freeway though it didn't extend to the location).

I agree with you that they probably were in a location that they couldn't be seen from the road. I suspect the locations that were pre-determined prior to the alleged murders. Whether they were intended to be found is questionable. Most views on forums I have seen seem to think they were yet both bodies seemed to be found by accident.
Bundy also left bodies off a major road artery but not visible from. When I say looped tracks, I mean there are two ways out they're not dead ends. There's an easy escape if someone came up the track his way out wasn't blocked.

I'm just listening to a four part podcast on Ted Bundy. There are more similarities between Bundy and the CSK than I'd thought even though Bundy's murder victims are estimated at between 32 and 36, rape victims up to 100 and more.
 
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Bundy also left bodies off a major road artery but not visible from. When I say looped tracks, I mean there are two ways out they're not dead ends. There's an easy escape if someone came up the track his way out wasn't blocked.

I'm just listening to a four part podcast on Ted Bundy. There are more similarities between Bundy and the CSK than I'd thought even though Bundy's murder victims are estimated at between 32 and 36, rape victims up to 100 and more.
There's a series coming to Netflix soon on Ted Bundy, just in case you didn't know yet & wanted to see it
 

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Wait, people are actually trying to say they can decipher what that image is?

For ****'s sake, it's a blown up version of a pixelated image from 90s CCTV which is taken from a TV screen cap.

My lord...
just as well it is not EGA..Phew.....///..maybe CGA....40×25 characters in up to 16 colors ....all it is just staring at a single pixel enlarged...1024 pixels make a reasonable picture to actually see...(VGA)...
 

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There were two things that stood out to me and that I think were possibly pointed out in the West Australian the sites Ciara and Jane were found were similar in that they were both:
- secluded spots in thick bush
- within a couple of kms of a major road artery. (Both were off the end of the Mitchell (Wanneroo Road) /Kwinana Freeway though it didn't extend to the location).

I agree with you that they probably were in a location that they couldn't be seen from the road. I suspect the locations that were pre-determined prior to the alleged murders. Whether they were intended to be found is questionable. Most views on forums I have seen seem to think they were yet both bodies seemed to be found by accident.
Time and distance

Whats the maximum distance I can go in the least amount of time that ensures the body may not be discovered or discovered immediately? I accept the person that put the bodies there had some knowledge of the area.

I find it difficult to accept that the location was chosen right down to the radiant grid point and tree. Its why the area around Canning Rd is popular. Time and distance.
 

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Time and distance

Whats the maximum distance I can go in the least amount of time that ensures the body may not be discovered or discovered immediately? I accept the person that put the bodies there had some knowledge of the area.

I find it difficult to accept that the location was chosen right down to the radiant grid point and tree. Its why the area around Canning Rd is popular. Time and distance.
My "pre-determined" reference just meant that there was planning where to put the bodies not the exact grid reference. The straight line possibly came about because of the curvature of the freeway and the nearness to the West Coast.

There are certainly a lot of deaths in the old Karragullen area both suicides and murders/suspected murders.
 

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My "pre-determined" reference just meant that there was planning where to put the bodies not the exact grid reference. The straight line possibly came about because of the curvature of the freeway and the nearness to the West Coast.

There are certainly a lot of deaths in the old Karragullen area both suicides and murders/suspected murders.
grids and curvatures...:)()..lines and karra...:moustache:
you are a dreamer
any street will do...with this character...
nonsense....
 
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grids and curvatures...:)()..lines and karra...:moustache:
you are a dreamer
any street will do...with this character...
nonsense....
Pretty sure that is what he said to an extent. The geography of the greater Perth area and its arterial roads means it should be of little surprise that bodies were dumped relatively due south or north.

It is no great stretch though to think that a serial killing lone Telstra worker travelling around might not fill his time driving up a few remote tracks fantasizing about placing a body and locking away a few favoured options in his memory bank.
 
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Wait, people are actually trying to say they can decipher what that image is?

For ****'s sake, it's a blown up version of a pixelated image from 90s CCTV which is taken from a TV screen cap.

My lord...
You just know they tried everything from squinting to changing the brightness and contrast on their monitor to standing upside down. These are the people that think they can solve this case with half the evidence the Police have. Suprised it wasn't brought up that the image was a potential ghost.
 

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Pretty sure that is what he said to an extent. The geography of the greater Perth area and its arterial roads means it should be of little surprise that bodies were dumped relatively due south or north.

It is no great stretch though to think that a serial killing lone Telstra worker travelling around might not fill his time driving up a few remote tracks fantasizing about placing a body and locking away a few favoured options in his memory bank.
Working with maps all your life on the peripheral regions laying cable and using asset pick up maps, with an interest in GPS might have something to do with it.

Having the bodies either side of the abduction hotel with a million to one chance combined with the 'serial' name tag attached to it.

No remote tracks. It was familiar ground, road side dumpings. One immediate, the other 50 metres from bitumen.

In a period where there were major stressors in his life. One where someone was home alone, before moving back to mummy and daddys.
 

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The one thing consistent in this crime, is many people are treating it like a crime of passion.

Looking forward to hearing the premeditated/pre planning aspect of this crime.
 

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The one thing consistent in this crime, is many people are treating it like a crime of passion.

Looking forward to hearing the premeditated/pre planning aspect of this crime.
I don't see anyone saying they were crimes of passion and of course they were premeditated. Fairly there are doubts as to the extremeness of the planning where it comes to creating a pattern dictated by points of the compass. I guess we will see.
 

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Pretty sure that is what he said to an extent. The geography of the greater Perth area and its arterial roads means it should be of little surprise that bodies were dumped relatively due south or north.

It is no great stretch though to think that a serial killing lone Telstra worker travelling around might not fill his time driving up a few remote tracks fantasizing about placing a body and locking away a few favoured options in his memory bank.
Telstra has a considerably large workforce....divided up into many different areas of the telecommunications industry...not just one tech does every single duty made up of the entire business....there is tech for this and a tech for that....it maybe inside work or maybe outside work..or office work....
we don't know just yet of which area of work one may be involved in....(geography and roads?)
one thing is for certain though imo....leaving a central area....and ending up close to 40km north...could of been achieved thru unable to carry out the required task in hand because of interruptions(on coming vehicles etc)...panic starts to set in and before you know it time has flown and so have you....
On another scenario....pre-planed gets a little risky...pulled over... RBT.....breakdown.....etc....
right here we go...everybody on board.....
 

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Telstra has a considerably large workforce....divided up into many different areas of the telecommunications industry...not just one tech does every single duty made up of the entire business....there is tech for this and a tech for that....it maybe inside work or maybe outside work..or office work....
we don't know just yet of which area of work one may be involved in....(geography and roads?)
one thing is for certain though imo....leaving a central area....and ending up close to 40km north...could of been achieved thru unable to carry out the required task in hand because of interruptions(on coming vehicles etc)...panic starts to set in and before you know it time has flown and so have you....
On another scenario....pre-planed gets a little risky...pulled over... RBT.....breakdown.....etc....
right here we go...everybody on board.....
Definitely preplanned.
 

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I don't see anyone saying they were crimes of passion and of course they were premeditated. Fairly there are doubts as to the extremeness of the planning where it comes to creating a pattern dictated by points of the compass. I guess we will see.
I don't consider the preplanning was about points on a compass in the strictest terms. I do consider the preplanning of abduction night and including preplanning of disposal site locations left nothing to chance. He knew exactly what he was to do and when and where and how and with whom. I also believe his planning shows he had met all victims beforehand and not on the night of each abduction. He is a calculating 'game' player.
 
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