Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

[Melsy]

Probably not quite as complicated as Fox Sports AI called Monty.

It’s amazing what can be predicted with reasonable accuracy if you have the historical data and some powerful tools.

Are you suggesting that the accused’s peak out of control times and dates occurred naturally in a periodic pattern not of his making?

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/fox-...ts-optimal-loo-breaks-ad-slots-with-ai-523938

An algorithm like that could make someone rich on the gambling scene.

 

[Beatnicked]

I went over the propensity evidence documents again recently too.


"Telstra Living Witness Project" evidence
Summery of evidence;

"110: Between 1995 and 1997, several women in the Cottesloe and Claremont areas were offered lifts by a person driving a Telecom or Telstra vehicle or claiming to work for Telecom or Telstra."

Im not sure if anyone else has picked this up but there's no incident/s mentioned for the year 1997 in either of the austlii and wasc documents in the summery of evidence relating to the "Telstra Living Witness Project"
Both docs give a description of each separate incident that occurred, along with the years 1995/96 and approximate dates/months. Yet nothing about 1997 which naturally raises a few questions.
What incident/s within the "Telstra Living Witness Project " evidence do they have for the year 1997 and why has this information been omitted from these documents?

Perhaps any incidents other than the allegation regarding Ciara, that may have occurred in 1997 did not happen whilst the accused drove a Telstra connected vehicle.

 

[Melsy]

Agree, he'd been there before and had an idea of where he was going. And why not? Each site we know of is under fifty minutes drive from Claremont or Cottesloe, it's not as if he's really gone that far. If I stood out the front and turned around in a circle, I could say I've been everywhere within an hours drive I imagine most people holding a license with wheels for over ten years probably could.



That is very interesting. It could indicate he didn't actually plan on killing anyone that particular night. Which brings me back to the Hollywood Hospital incident and his lack of control, he snapped when the social worker was rude to him. The KK attack victim lived, she didn't trip him over into murder. It might have been something in her demeanour, he told her to shut up and she did? He even went so far as to take the hood off and remove the gag, he must have been certain she wasn't going to start screaming.

We're told there were screams heard coming from a car parked on the wrong side of the road in Mosman Park the night Sarah disappeared. They must have been loud to be heard from inside a car.

Some girls lived through that period, others did not. I'm wondering if the reason they didn't is because they angered him, threatened him and he lost it.

If they didn't pick it up straight away, a street smart girl might have had a better read on him a minute into the ride and not panicked, perhaps played along a bit until she could get out of his car. Then run like hell.

I realise Ciara had travelled overseas but she was also a lawyer, I imagine a bit of a lip there and assertive. Of course there's no error in any of the girls but could she possibly have been a bit over confident?

The driving time in the day was extremely similar

Clara approx 58km, Jane approx 48km from Stirling and Stirling.

Could Sarah be 53 minutes away?

 

[Beatnicked]

"Im not sure how to read this , have they had the clothing from another employee since the 90s … or has the employee had it since the 90s "

If they had the item since the 90's it would have been tested along with the other items they had. I do find it odd for it show up all of sudden now though.



"It could be fibres but I doubt it. "

"The court was told the item was being analysed so that fibres from the piece of clothing could be compared with other fibres in evidence, and Ms Barbagallo foreshadowed a report may not be complete until mid to late June. "

Ciara was discovered partially clothed and Jane was naked. Clothing not belonging to Jane was found at her disposal scene. The Karrakatta victim was left without clothing from memory.

 

[Badge666]

Ok Fresh from telling anyone who would listen there was NO WAY that a Telecom Technician would be working a nightshift back in 1990 when the HH attack took place despite what the MM media was reporting and dopey BF pundits were supporting ..-then subsequently being proven spot on correct I will bow to popular demand and have a stab at this latest forthcoming trial evidence mystery.
I am not one to blow my own trumpet and I hate a man that boasts but that being said I am pretty damn good ......a genius in fact.
Now there are a few things to be considered when having a shot at what this mystery item/s might be...
A anything the WAPOL prosecution tell us has to be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they have a scandalous proven track record of misleading the public and covering up vital information from the public both pre and post arrest, Barbagello has admitted they are playing coy with this information for obvious reasons before trial.
B Whatever the item/s are they must be of some monetary value and useful function outside of work. To be blunt about it-worth pinching.
A generalisation of some Telstra Techs could be that if something from work could be used at home it was fair game ,and also when subcontracting for other companies a jacket coat , uniform etc with that Companys Logo on it gained for free by a friendly supervisor was prized by these guys,
As to what it might be.........still researching, thinking about it......

 

[Beatnicked]

1 Congdon st is listed as a 3 bedroom house

https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/wa/cottesloe-6011/1-congdon-st-cottesloe-wa-6011-15147941

 

[Melsy]

Ok Fresh from telling anyone who would listen there was NO WAY that a Telecom Technician would be working a nightshift back in 1990 when the HH attack took place despite what the MM media was reporting and dopey BF pundits were supporting ..-then subsequently being proven spot on correct I will bow to popular demand and have a stab at this latest forthcoming trial evidence mystery.
I am not one to blow my own trumpet and I hate a man that boasts but that being said I am pretty damn good ......a genius in fact.
Now there are a few things to be considered when having a shot at what this mystery item/s might be...
A anything the WAPOL prosecution tell us has to be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they have a scandalous proven track record of misleading the public and covering up vital information from the public both pre and post arrest, Barbagello has admitted they are playing coy with this information for obvious reasons before trial.
B Whatever the item/s are they must be of some monetary value and useful function outside of work. To be blunt about it-worth pinching.
A generalisation of some Telstra Techs could be that if something from work could be used at home it was fair game ,and also when subcontracting for other companies a jacket coat , uniform etc with that Companys Logo on it gained for free by a friendly supervisor was prized by these guys,
As to what it might be.........still researching, thinking about it......

Calling everyone dopey. Do you even hear yourself?
There is nothing to suggest he didn't have a key to the underground carpark of the exchange hidden in the side ally.
Speculation is part of establishing theory. At times a darn sight better than early investigators who had all the evidence and resources at hand.

 

[Melsy]

1 Congdon st is listed as a 3 bedroom house

https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/wa/cottesloe-6011/1-congdon-st-cottesloe-wa-6011-15147941

Not sure - google

 

[Melsy]

1 Congdon st has underground garage door carpark only 2 minutes away from abduction site.

 

[Beatnicked]

The Cottesloe Exchange address is officially Clive Road.

https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/aeg_wa

 

[Melsy]

The Cottesloe Exchange address is officially Clive Road.

https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/aeg_wa

This could be because years prior many government places had residence attached or nearby due to there being a caretaker or similar looking after the building?
What year was it built? Lack of cars?
Could the front residence be the exchange caretaker?

 

[Krusty Crab]

so the prosecution now has a uniform/piece of uniform of the type that would of been worn by telstra techs in the 90s. this is being tested for fiber comparison. comparison to what? were there any fibers from the bodies/crime scenes that are still unknown? were did this 90's uniform piece come from - 3 possibilities in my opinion:

A - previous employee/telstra had old uniform in the cupboard somewhere
B - Uniform item belonged to BRE
C - uniform item was found at the crime scene

Expand on each point above

A - prosecution has collected old uniform and comparing fibers. suggests there are still unmatched fibers around, either on body(s) or crime scene(s). Could strengthen telstra link to crimes

B - uniform item belonged to BRE. checking item for any fiber comparison to crime scenes. Could this clothing item of been in the items removed from BRE house after arrest, and has now been confirmed as older telstra uniform, which gives possibility it could of been worn during the commission of the crimes? (alleged BRE picked up the women in similar fashion to the claims in the "telstra living witness project".)

C - uniform found at one of the crime scenes. identified as older telstra uniform, but no DNA on it. considered previously to have been dumped nearby, but now being compared for fiber transfer to victim.

My opinion is it would be item B. When BRE was arrested, and the idea raised that he offered the women a lift while in the telstra car and in uniform/working, any telstra clothes owned by BRE would of been seized. spend some time clearing up whats new and what was from the 90's, test the item for victims DNA and trace evidence. Brackets is what i think is currently happening - (Find unexplained fibers on one item. Compare those fibers to all known fibers in evidence for this case. Get a preliminary match. Send both lots of fibers to a specialist to confirm that they came from that particular item via breakdown of dye used, make up of thread etc, not just that it came from a similar item.)

 

[Beatnicked]

I can't get the link to post. There are docs online that discuss Telstra's move to Congdon in 2013 and going through council permit processes.

If you Google

Lot 4 (1) Congdon Street Cottesloe response analysis the doc should become available.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I believe a Telstra workmate was questioned several times re BRE. This would have been cause witnesses probably seeing a Telstra vehicle a few times & it took police a long time to link those comments. Remember there were hundreds of people questioned, if not way way more. Did that Telstra mate once say 'Hey my rope to tie down my ladders etc is fraying' & BRE said 'here have some of mine, I have some spare.' He probably thought he would not be caught being so long.

 

[Beatnicked]

Congdon st opened in 1930. There was an H Edwards working there then.

https://oldaustraliantelephones.weebly.com/early-days-of-the-pmg-in-wa.html

 

[BonzaRam]

so the prosecution now has a uniform/piece of uniform of the type that would of been worn by telstra techs in the 90s. this is being tested for fiber comparison. comparison to what? were there any fibers from the bodies/crime scenes that are still unknown? were did this 90's uniform piece come from - 3 possibilities in my opinion:

A - previous employee/telstra had old uniform in the cupboard somewhere
B - Uniform item belonged to BRE
C - uniform item was found at the crime scene

Expand on each point above

A - prosecution has collected old uniform and comparing fibers. suggests there are still unmatched fibers around, either on body(s) or crime scene(s). Could strengthen telstra link to crimes

B - uniform item belonged to BRE. checking item for any fiber comparison to crime scenes. Could this clothing item of been in the items removed from BRE house after arrest, and has now been confirmed as older telstra uniform, which gives possibility it could of been worn during the commission of the crimes? (alleged BRE picked up the women in similar fashion to the claims in the "telstra living witness project".)

C - uniform found at one of the crime scenes. identified as older telstra uniform, but no DNA on it. considered previously to have been dumped nearby, but now being compared for fiber transfer to victim.

My opinion is it would be item B. When BRE was arrested, and the idea raised that he offered the women a lift while in the telstra car and in uniform/working, any telstra clothes owned by BRE would of been seized. spend some time clearing up whats new and what was from the 90's, test the item for victims DNA and trace evidence. Brackets is what i think is currently happening - (Find unexplained fibers on one item. Compare those fibers to all known fibers in evidence for this case. Get a preliminary match. Send both lots of fibers to a specialist to confirm that they came from that particular item via breakdown of dye used, make up of thread etc, not just that it came from a similar item.)

Could this clothing item of been in the items removed from BRE house after arrest, and has now been confirmed as older telstra uniform, which gives possibility it could of been worn during the commission of the crimes?

If it was found at his house after arrest how did another telstra worker get a hold of it?

"However, as Bradley Robert Edwards listened intently from the dock, she did reveal the item was a piece of clothing obtained from a Telstra worker from the 1990s. "

It could also be hair fibres rather than cloth fibres they are checking for.

 

[Melsy]

Congdon st opened in 1930. There was an H Edwards working there then.

https://oldaustraliantelephones.weebly.com/early-days-of-the-pmg-in-wa.html

Note link "Postmasters General" aka P.M.G.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

Could this clothing item of been in the items removed from BRE house after arrest, and has now been confirmed as older telstra uniform, which gives possibility it could of been worn during the commission of the crimes?

If it was found at his house after arrest how did another telstra worker get a hold of it?

"However, as Bradley Robert Edwards listened intently from the dock, she did reveal the item was a piece of clothing obtained from a Telstra worker from the 1990s. "

It could also be hair fibres rather than cloth fibres they are checking for.

Ok good. Now it looks like clothing? That will be interesting & maybe bad for BRE.

 

[Melsy]

Could this clothing item of been in the items removed from BRE house after arrest, and has now been confirmed as older telstra uniform, which gives possibility it could of been worn during the commission of the crimes?

If it was found at his house after arrest how did another telstra worker get a hold of it?

"However, as Bradley Robert Edwards listened intently from the dock, she did reveal the item was a piece of clothing obtained from a Telstra worker from the 1990s. "

It could also be hair fibres rather than cloth fibres they are checking for.

Could it be the Huntingdale house where womens apparel was stolen off the clothes line in 1988?
He was Telstra worker?

 

[BonzaRam]

The driving time in the day was extremely similar

Clara approx 58km, Jane approx 48km from Stirling and Stirling.

Could Sarah be 53 minutes away?

Why 53 minutes?

The fact that screams were heard in Wellard when JR disappeared and she was found there tells me the screams heard in Mosman Park marks that as a possible murder site for SS. We know he was lazy when it came to concealing the bodies so that tells me he may have been cautious about putting a bloody body into his vehicle, especially a loaded work vehicle. In Mosman Park you have the Buckland Hill Park scrubland that covers both sides of Sterling Highway. The patch between Sterling Highway and the railway line would give relative isolation, but not enough for screams not to be heard...

 

[BFew]

Did that Telstra mate once say 'Hey my rope to tie down my ladders etc is fraying' & BRE said 'here have some of mine, I have some spare.'

Some people do actually use rope for clothing.

But am having difficulties thinking of how rope might have been incorporated into clothing utilised by Telstra technicians at the time.
Unless the rope is referring to very thin rope, like in a shoelace from some workboots.

Workboots decades old that might have had fibres from a Telstra vehicle floor stuck in the cracks of the soles of the shoes.

 

[Badge666]

Barbagello said she had to be" careful what she said so as not to compromise further inquiries."........veeeeeeeeeeery interesting.......so the Wapol bumblers are looking hard enough at the accused for other jobs that they don't want to jeopardise anything......confirmation that he is definitely in the frame for other as yet unannounced crimes......i bet one of the other possible victims surnames starts with " C"................

 

[BonzaRam]

Barbagello said she had to be" careful what she said so as not to compromise further inquiries."........veeeeeeeeeeery interesting.......so the Wapol bumblers are looking hard enough at the accused for other jobs that they don't want to jeopardise anything......confirmation that he is definitely in the frame for other as yet unannounced crimes......i bet one of the other possible victims surnames starts with " C"................

Or the further inquiries might be in regards to who they obtained the clothing from or the chain of possession of the item since the 90s.

 

[BFew]

So if/when Barbagello said today

https://www.communitynews.com.au/we...tart-date-of-claremont-serial-killings-trial/

clothing had been obtained from a Telstra worker from the 1990s.

Barbagello could just be referring to the accused BRE, as this Telstra worker.

The accused's father was also a Telstra workers from the 1990s.
Maybe BRE had the same shoe size as his father, or any another of their family members that might have worked for Telstra in the 1990's.

 

[Badge666]

So if/when Barbagello said today

https://www.communitynews.com.au/we...tart-date-of-claremont-serial-killings-trial/



Barbagello could just be referring to the accused BRE, as this Telstra worker.

The accused's father was also a Telstra workers from the 1990s.
Maybe BRE had the same shoe size as his father, or any another of their family members that might have worked for Telstra in the 1990's.

Yes ...was wondering the same......maybe the father has decided to finally come to the party....would explain how both Telstra employees had worn/used it....after a lifetime of working for the PMG then Telecom he would possibly have amassed a shed full of stuff ......