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For trial and post arrest discussion please go here: CSK DIRECTIONS & TRIAL

* SUPPRESSION ORDERS ARE STILL IN PLACE.

The bunker is for discussion on historical aspects of the investigation and where they got it wrong, former suspects, persons of interest, Claremont murders inspired books and is the place where bad theories go to die.

Persons of interest to officially suspect, include Peter Weygers the former Mayor of Claremont, Lance Williams RIP, Judo Man, the IT expert who tried to pick up a young girl on the Stirling Highway, Mosman Park and Mark Dixie who raped and stabbed a girl in her apartment before leaving Australia. He went on to murder Sally Ann Bowman back in the UK and is currently serving life in prison.

Not to forget some shady Gary Hughes bloggers.


Dave Warner is known as the band leader of From the Suburbs and a screen and crime writer but few people would know that he was also a suspect in the Claremont serial killings. (The term 'suspect' here has been used rather loosely.)

Sarah Spiers, 18, Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, were abducted off the streets of Claremont between January 1996 and March 1997. Their disappearances created fear and anguish in the Western suburbs and a manhunt that would go on for decades.

“The cold-case police visited me in Sydney and said that I’d been nominated as a suspect by some people,” Warner says.

He thinks he was put in the spotlight because of the theory that the killer was known to the girls, as well as the crime novels he had previously written.

“I wrote City of Light, which was about people serial killing which very loosely had some connection drawn from the Birnie cases and then also from Shirley Finn, which is now back in the news, and from Eric Cooke,” he explains.

“So I can only imagine that — the first girl went missing I think three months after that first book City of Light came out — perhaps people thought I was trying to boost my sales or something.”

Warner wasn’t living in Perth at the time the women went missing but was happy to co-operate and gave police a DNA sample.

“I kind of left in 1987 — I say kind of because all my family was still there and my wife’s family was there and all my friends were there, so I would still commute to Perth,” he says.

“I would go to Perth four times a year maybe ... but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t there at any of the times that the girls went missing.”

Now, more than 20 years since three young women disappeared off the streets in Claremont, Warner has written a novel inspired by the events.

He had been toying with the idea of writing Clear to the Horizon for many years but did not want to offend the families and friends of the victims.

“I just kept resisting it, it was just such an ugly thing to consider writing about,” Warner says.

“Most of my writing is driven by this idea of just recording my own emotional responses but also ... the psychology of Perth and the growing up of Perth and the various corruption and stages of Perth.”

After 20 years had passed and there had been no progress on the killings, Warner thought it was time to write the book.

“Almost the last straw was the police visiting me (about five years ago),” he says. “It was like, well, it seems that this is a story that should be told in a way.”

The 2016 Ned Kelly Award winner for best crime fiction is quick to point out he is not telling the story of the Claremont serial killings.

“My technique is take iconic crime to shift it in time or to take something about it and what the effect that it has on the people,” he says.

“When I was writing City of Light about Eric Cooke, I still remember as a 10-year-old what it was like — how traumatised and terrified people were in Perth, locking their doors for the first time — and I knew when I was writing this book what it was like to go back to Claremont and Bay View Terrace and those places.

“But it’s not about that case; it’s using the template of that case to get emotional connections.”

Published by Fremantle press and out next month, Clear to the Horizon brings together Warner’s creations, private detective Richard “Snowy” Lane (City of Light) and policeman Dan Clement (Before it Breaks).

He always wanted to bring back the character of Snowy and had been working on an idea that involved the north-west of WA and a missing girl but he kept returning to the Claremont serial killings.

“I had these two ideas, so I thought that I would bring them together,” he says.

Over the years, Warner has experienced what he describes as “ooglie booglie things” coinciding with his work.

“When the serial killing taskforce for Claremont was first formed, the first person in charge of that was Det-Insp. Richard Lane,” he says.

“I had never heard of him. I didn’t know of him at all but that was just a weird connection there.”

There were no suspects when Warner started writing Clear to the Horizon in 2015 — in December last year Bradley Robert Edwards was arrested and subsequently charged with the wilful murder of two of the victims — but when Warner was about about a third of the way through the book, another coincidence occurred.

“I didn’t know any more about the Claremont serial killings than anybody in Perth who’s read the papers or watched the TV shows,” he says.

“I’ve never spoken to the police directly about it, other than the ones who came and interviewed me.

“I don’t know any of the families involved, so nothing of that nature at all — I was purely a punter.

“But having read up on those things, there were certain things that I thought, like the rape at Karrakatta that to me seemed to be a real precursor.”

While Warner was still writing the novel, Bret Christian at the Subiaco Post revealed that there had been a link in the DNA between the rape of a woman at Karrakatta in 1995 and the Claremont serial killings.

Warner believes that because he is a writer of crime fiction and reads a lot of crime fiction and true crime, he made the connection in his story.

“I hadn’t finished the entire book at that stage but I’d got to that part,” he says. “At that stage nobody had been arrested or anything, so I finished the book and ... about four months after the book was finished there was an arrest. It’s been a kind of bizarre thing that 20 years goes on and nothing happens and I start to write and this seems to be progress, which is a good thing. Thank god for that really.”


https://thewest.com.au/entertainment/books/crime-writer-dave-warner-draws-on-past-to-crack-novel-based-on-claremont-killings-ng-b88628042z
 

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"the first girl went missing I think three months after that first book City of Light came out"

Why have they not named the girl that went missing at Dave Warners concert at the Cottesloe Surf club?

Cutlers car turns up out front Cottesloe surf club. Cutler cut off just before Eric st on Stirling highway.

Birnies patrol Stirling Highway, picking up girls leaving Claremont hotel.

Warner’s initial assumption was that they were following up on the disappearance of a girl in 1980 after she was at North Cottesloe Surf Club on the night his band played there. Her body was found but to this day the killer has never been found.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/how-crime-novel-by-a-rock-singer-could-hold-the-key-to-capturing-a-real-life-serial-killer/news-story/46dfe47ea44610573437a3f3ee03163b
 

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"the first girl went missing I think three months after that first book City of Light came out"

Why have they not named the girl that went missing at Dave Warners concert at the Cottesloe Surf club?

Cutlers car turns up out front Cottesloe surf club. Cutler cut off just before Eric st on Stirling highway.

Birnies patrol Stirling Highway, picking up girls leaving Claremont hotel.

Warner’s initial assumption was that they were following up on the disappearance of a girl in 1980 after she was at North Cottesloe Surf Club on the night his band played there. Her body was found but to this day the killer has never been found.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/how-crime-novel-by-a-rock-singer-could-hold-the-key-to-capturing-a-real-life-serial-killer/news-story/46dfe47ea44610573437a3f3ee03163b
Kerryn Tate mentioned leaving surf club around 11 pm on 28th December 1978. Body found on a "funeral pyre" at Karragullen.

Likely the woman died around 6.00 pm Saturday 29th December 1979. A watch she was wearing stopped at that time.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/kerryn-tate-1979-murder-western-australia.1181781/page-3
 
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Is it confirmed that Tate was at the Dave Warner gig?
Check The Daily News Tues Jan 1 1979 "Sheet Clue in Funeral Pyre" in the Kerryn Tate thread. I can only just make it out but it was confirmed by "penny pal" who posted the clipping.

Leaving the surf club was the last time anybody knowing her was reported to have seen her. Detectives believe she left the dance planning to hitchhike to Karragullen either that night or next day.
 

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Kerryn Tate mentioned leaving surf club around 11 pm on 28th December 1978. Body found on a "funeral pyre" at Karragullen.

Likely the woman died around 6.00 pm Saturday 29th December 1979. A watch she was wearing stopped at that time.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/kerryn-tate-1979-murder-western-australia.1181781/page-3
Check The Daily News Tues Jan 1 1979 "Sheet Clue in Funeral Pyre" in the Kerryn Tate thread. I can only just make it out but it was confirmed by "penny pal" who posted the clipping.

Leaving the surf club was the last time anybody knowing her was reported to have seen her. Detectives believe she left the dance planning to hitchhike to Karragullen either that night or next day.
Would love to see the list of who attended the surf club dance that night and match to a likely suspect in this and other unsolved crimes.

Best to ask musical Dave.

PS how far is it from Parkerville to Karragullen?
 
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Dave Warner is known as the band leader of From the Suburbs and a screen and crime writer but few people would know that he was also a suspect in the Claremont serial killings.

Sarah Spiers, 18, Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, were abducted off the streets of Claremont between January 1996 and March 1997. Their disappearances created fear and anguish in the Western suburbs and a manhunt that would go on for decades.

“The cold-case police visited me in Sydney and said that I’d been nominated as a suspect by some people,” Warner says.

He thinks he was put in the spotlight because of the theory that the killer was known to the girls, as well as the crime novels he had previously written.

“I wrote City of Light, which was about people serial killing which very loosely had some connection drawn from the Birnie cases and then also from Shirley Finn, which is now back in the news, and from Eric Cooke,” he explains.

“So I can only imagine that — the first girl went missing I think three months after that first book City of Light came out — perhaps people thought I was trying to boost my sales or something.”

Warner wasn’t living in Perth at the time the women went missing but was happy to co-operate and gave police a DNA sample.

“I kind of left in 1987 — I say kind of because all my family was still there and my wife’s family was there and all my friends were there, so I would still commute to Perth,” he says.

“I would go to Perth four times a year maybe ... but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t there at any of the times that the girls went missing.”

Now, more than 20 years since three young women disappeared off the streets in Claremont, Warner has written a novel inspired by the events.

He had been toying with the idea of writing Clear to the Horizon for many years but did not want to offend the families and friends of the victims.

“I just kept resisting it, it was just such an ugly thing to consider writing about,” Warner says.

“Most of my writing is driven by this idea of just recording my own emotional responses but also ... the psychology of Perth and the growing up of Perth and the various corruption and stages of Perth.”

After 20 years had passed and there had been no progress on the killings, Warner thought it was time to write the book.

“Almost the last straw was the police visiting me (about five years ago),” he says. “It was like, well, it seems that this is a story that should be told in a way.”

The 2016 Ned Kelly Award winner for best crime fiction is quick to point out he is not telling the story of the Claremont serial killings.

“My technique is take iconic crime to shift it in time or to take something about it and what the effect that it has on the people,” he says.

“When I was writing City of Light about Eric Cooke, I still remember as a 10-year-old what it was like — how traumatised and terrified people were in Perth, locking their doors for the first time — and I knew when I was writing this book what it was like to go back to Claremont and Bay View Terrace and those places.

“But it’s not about that case; it’s using the template of that case to get emotional connections.”

Published by Fremantle press and out next month, Clear to the Horizon brings together Warner’s creations, private detective Richard “Snowy” Lane (City of Light) and policeman Dan Clement (Before it Breaks).

He always wanted to bring back the character of Snowy and had been working on an idea that involved the north-west of WA and a missing girl but he kept returning to the Claremont serial killings.

“I had these two ideas, so I thought that I would bring them together,” he says.

Over the years, Warner has experienced what he describes as “ooglie booglie things” coinciding with his work.

“When the serial killing taskforce for Claremont was first formed, the first person in charge of that was Det-Insp. Richard Lane,” he says.

“I had never heard of him. I didn’t know of him at all but that was just a weird connection there.”

There were no suspects when Warner started writing Clear to the Horizon in 2015 — in December last year Bradley Robert Edwards was arrested and subsequently charged with the wilful murder of two of the victims — but when Warner was about about a third of the way through the book, another coincidence occurred.

“I didn’t know any more about the Claremont serial killings than anybody in Perth who’s read the papers or watched the TV shows,” he says.

“I’ve never spoken to the police directly about it, other than the ones who came and interviewed me.

“I don’t know any of the families involved, so nothing of that nature at all — I was purely a punter.

“But having read up on those things, there were certain things that I thought, like the rape at Karrakatta that to me seemed to be a real precursor.”

While Warner was still writing the novel, Bret Christian at the Subiaco Post revealed that there had been a link in the DNA between the rape of a woman at Karrakatta in 1995 and the Claremont serial killings.

Warner believes that because he is a writer of crime fiction and reads a lot of crime fiction and true crime, he made the connection in his story.

“I hadn’t finished the entire book at that stage but I’d got to that part,” he says. “At that stage nobody had been arrested or anything, so I finished the book and ... about four months after the book was finished there was an arrest. It’s been a kind of bizarre thing that 20 years goes on and nothing happens and I start to write and this seems to be progress, which is a good thing. Thank god for that really.”

https://thewest.com.au/entertainment/books/crime-writer-dave-warner-draws-on-past-to-crack-novel-based-on-claremont-killings-ng-b88628042z
Problem with your first paragraph Shelly.

Musician Dave was not a CSK suspect.

Suspect he knows plenty of suspects and POI’s though.
 

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Problem with your first paragraph Shelly.

Musician Dave is not and was not a suspect.

Suspect he knows plenty of suspects and POI’s though.
I'm quoting directly from the press there, I think we all know he was nominated as a suspect and the police did follow through. There are others though, Peter Weygers and Lance Williams. Judo guy or the martial arts expert and the mysterious IT suspect who tried to pick a girl up on the Stirling Highway Mosman Park.
 

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I'm quoting directly from the press there, I think we all know he was nominated as a suspect and the police did follow through. There are others though, Peter Weygers and Lance Williams. Judo guy or the martial arts expert and the mysterious IT suspect who tried to pick a girl up on the Stirling Highway Mosman Park.
Despite appearances the IT suspect lived in absolute squalor and was involved in deviant sexual activities including BDSM, according to the media report if recalled correctly.

Sounds familiar.
 

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Despite appearances the IT suspect lived in absolute squalor and was involved in deviant sexual activities including BDSM, according to the media report if recalled correctly.

Sounds familiar.

DNA should have cleared him but this guy sounds close to who was eventually arrested, was clearing him one of the big mistakes made in the investigation the Commissioner warned us about?

Maybe.
 

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Can anyone paraphrase the SAS references in musical Dave’s new book on serial murders “Clear to the Horizon”?
without giving away the plot the SAS features due to a chance meeting in the hotel , they are observed playing pool and chatting up all the women. In speaking to the staff the hero finds some disturbing stories about over aggressive actions.

Further down the track , up till then, unseen vision of an attack is spotted and a tattoo is visible

The book presents 3 suspects. SAS, teacher and one other person aligned with one of the businesses in Claremont
 

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without giving away the plot the SAS features due to a chance meeting in the hotel , they are observed playing pool and chatting up all the women. In speaking to the staff the hero finds some disturbing stories about over aggressive actions.

Further down the track , up till then, unseen vision of an attack is spotted and a tattoo is visible

The book presents 3 suspects. SAS, teacher and one other person aligned with one of the businesses in Claremont
Do you think we can have spoilers in here? ;)
 

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without giving away the plot the SAS features due to a chance meeting in the hotel , they are observed playing pool and chatting up all the women. In speaking to the staff the hero finds some disturbing stories about over aggressive actions.

Further down the track , up till then, unseen vision of an attack is spotted and a tattoo is visible

The book presents 3 suspects. SAS, teacher and one other person aligned with one of the businesses in Claremont
Thanks Crow - interesting.

Suspect the truth will be stranger than fiction.
 

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I'm quoting directly from the press there, I think we all know he was nominated as a suspect and the police did follow through. There are others though, Peter Weygers and Lance Williams. Judo guy or the martial arts expert and the mysterious IT suspect who tried to pick a girl up on the Stirling Highway Mosman Park.
Think Happy Freo might be correct. I think the press meant to say a "person of interest" just like many hundreds of others, especially taxi drivers, that were asked to five DNA.
 

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Buy the book or go to the bloody library :D get both books out as they link



Before it Breaks is the read 1st book
What about City of Light? Have only read extracts of that one but have read Horizon. From what I could tell the story was set around 20 years after "Snowy" nailed the serial killer in City of Light (who died). He realises when employed as a PI to find a missing daughter that he may have blamed the wrong man and the real killer was still on the loose and active! Interesting story telling when you get the perspective of the real killer in some chapters but are only following the clues as Snowy is and can't really be sure who it is.
 

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Thanks Crow - interesting.

Suspect the truth will be stranger than fiction.

Warner’s initial assumption was that they were following up on the disappearance of a girl in 1980 after she was at North Cottesloe Surf Club on the night his band played there. Her body was found but to this day the killer has never been found.

“But then they said it involved the Claremont serial killer case, which is the most expensive crime case ever in Australia and is still unsolved 20 years later,” he said.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/how-crime-novel-by-a-rock-singer-could-hold-the-key-to-capturing-a-real-life-serial-killer/news-story/46dfe47ea44610573437a3f3ee03163b?nk=0738850eecf1538a1029ed4cbf21525f-1541983948

During the interview with the police Warner was told his name had come up during inquiries but he was not under suspicion.

City Of Light was released three months before the first Claremont killing and there were three bizarre coincidences that tied that book to the Claremont case.
 

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Despite appearances the IT suspect lived in absolute squalor and was involved in deviant sexual activities including BDSM, according to the media report if recalled correctly.

Sounds familiar.
Sounds like the typical "IT guy" (from the movies at least). Did he live in his mom's basement too, and drink Jolt Cola?

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