Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

[ms finch]

With regard to when he met and started dating EE (first wife). Taken from page 148 of the verdict doc, a report by Dr Lyn Millet, clinical psychologist.

[The accused] began dating his current girlfriend in September 1989. He moved out of his parents' home to live with her in December. He described their relationship as 'fairly serious' and indicated they were trying to save money to get married although [the accused] mentioned that they argued a lot over money as his girlfriend tended to spend quite freely. According to [the accused] she wants to get married as soon as possible and until he committed the offence had been placing considerable pressure on him to set a wedding date.

That’s really interesting. It tallies with him meeting EB at the Sandhurst Run held in August. However it’s inconsistent with EB’s other evidence that they got close subsequently (after meeting) in mid 1989, which would put their meeting a year prior at the Sandhurst Run in August 1988. Hmmm....

 

[Deva]

Was it insomnia? It doesn’t state in the verdict document so I am wondering if that was what was presented in court. Quite likely to have been; I’m just wondering if there is anything else to it.

Yes, go to page 106, Summary 322, 323 and 324. Dr Philpott is a Sleep specialist at the clinic at SCGH, BRE had 2 appointments once on the 8th Jan 1997 then another on the 10th Mar 1997 and spent 1 night there on 20th Feb for a valuation.

 

[ms finch]

Yes, go to page 106, Summary 322, 323 and 324. Dr Philpott is a Sleep specialist at the clinic at SCGH, BRE had 2 appointments once on the 8th Jan 1997 then another on the 10th Mar 1997 and spent 1 night there on 20th Feb for a valuation.

But sleep specialists don’t just look at insomnia. They might also look at sleep walking, sleep aponea, seizures, or sleep paralysis. So I guess what I am wondering is if we know for certain he sought help for insomnia?

In 1997 John Philpott was a consultant physician working at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital in the Department of Pulmonary Physiology and Sleep medicine. The accused saw Dr Philpott on two occasions: first on 8 January 1997 for a consultation and again on 10 March 1997 after the accused had spent a night in a sleep laboratory at the hospital.

At the first consultation Dr Philpott took a full history from the accused that was recorded in his file. The accused said to the doctor that he was a 28-year-old man, had separated from his partner 11 months prior
to the appointment, was a non-smoker and drank about one bottle of spirits per week. His height was recorded at 185.1 cm and he was 92kg.

The accused spent a night in the sleep laboratory on 20 February 1997. Dr Philpott was not present for the overnight study.

 

[one eyed spy]

But sleep specialists don’t just look at insomnia. They might also look at sleep walking, sleep aponea, seizures, or sleep paralysis. So I guess what I am wondering is if we know for certain he sought help for insomnia?

My guess is sleep apnoea.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

My guess is sleep apnoea.

Mine too if he was overweight at that stage. I think he could have also had insomnia as well, sometimes goes hand in hand.

 

[BonzaRam]

Mine too if he was overweight at that stage. I think he could have also had insomnia as well, sometimes goes hand in hand.

Something else to look at is that night time computer use, with bright monitors, can cause sleeping issues due reduced Melatonin levels.

Sleep Problems -- the Basics

Learn more from WebMD about the types and causes of various sleep problems.

www.webmd.com

 

[Girlnextdoor]

I hadn't seen this article, nor the photo of Jane so young, so very sad. This is "poignant" talking about photos shown in court.

Jane Rimmer's teddy bear provides a rare glimpse into a life cut short 24 years ago

A teddy bear placed on pillows and a toy rabbit in a cupboard are some of the deeply personal items belonging to murder victims Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon detailed in court that give a rare insight into their lives.

www.abc.net.au

 

[FeelingThroaty]

We know various items belonging to the girls (which it is believed they had with them on the night of their disappearance) were not recovered when their bodies were discovered. Leading one to believe he has a 'stash' of his victims belongings. In the belief that ALL the house he had been living in were thoroughly searched (including parents home) and not found, they must be some where else. I believe we have three options of where they could be-
1. In a bush hiding place.
2. A Telstra/work hiding place.
3. Other place that is permanent and easily accessible or reasonably accessible. Possibly being - friend or acquaintances home or property, venue he regularly attends, safe deposit box/room at storage business. Any one have any other ideas?
Also could some one please list the items which were missing from each victim TIA, ( It may take me all day to search as this is not my forte and I know some of you are whizzes at this sort of thing!!)

I have an idea where. Maybe he added items only when he had to. Or could do.

We all now know JR had met a guy named Bogsy. JR said she had met a guy named Bogsy to her friends. I am dumbfounded why this did not get out to the media at the time. It could have saved CG. And if BRE dated JR then her life may have been saved. But due to that guy going out with BRE's partner and living in his house, that infuriated BRE hence the overdoing of it re knife wo.... It was simply RAGE. It was overkill.

In @ 1996 to 1997 there were few if any Op shops so BRE did his clothes hunting at night time. Had there been op shops operating at that time then the kimono & local attack/s in Huntington might not have occurred.

I think BRE was too young to do any of the Karragullen murders. There is a possibility BRE had a partner in crime. Maybe they agreed to meet up according to BRe's night shift work at pre arranged times & no phone calls were made whatsoever. Remember two guys were in a fake taxi when a woman jumped out. But was it a fake taxi?

Both spots are virtually cul de sacs. And I think the first was as well.

I believe there might be a victim this side of JR. And there might be one out east too. BRE drives out wherever in the stix & parks on the left like everyone does. So then the victim most likely is taken off the vehicle to the left side. Unless there is no left to go to. Which case he does a U'ey. Okay so there is more bush on the left of Woolcoot road as you face north. And there is more bush, & is downhill slightly at the top of the slightly sandy loop track, on the LEFT of Pippidinny road. CG was to the left. There are no houses about and at Woolcoot Rd. they are well up long semi rural driveways.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

I have an idea where. Maybe he added items only when he had to. Or could do.

We all now know JR had met a guy named Bogsy. JR said she had met a guy named Bogsy to her friends. I am dumbfounded why this did not get out to the media at the time. It could have saved CG. And if BRE dated JR then her life may have been saved. But due to that guy going out with BRE's partner and living in his house, that infuriated BRE hence the overdoing of it re knife wo.... It was simply RAGE. It was overkill.

In @ 1996 to 1997 there were few if any Op shops so BRE did his clothes hunting at night time. Had there been op shops operating at that time then the kimono & local attack/s in Huntington might not have occurred.

I think BRE was too young to do any of the Karragullen murders. There is a possibility BRE had a partner in crime. Maybe they agreed to meet up according to BRe's night shift work at pre arranged times & no phone calls were made whatsoever. Remember two guys were in a fake taxi when a woman jumped out. But was it a fake taxi?

Both spots are virtually cul de sacs. And I think the first was as well.

I believe there might be a victim this side of JR. And there might be one out east too. BRE drives out wherever in the stix & parks on the left like everyone does. So then the victim most likely is taken off the vehicle to the left side. Unless there is no left to go to. Which case he does a U'ey. Okay so there is more bush on the left of Woolcoot road as you face north. And there is more bush, & is downhill slightly at the top of the slightly sandy loop track, on the LEFT of Pippidinny road. CG was to the left. There are no houses about and at Woolcoot Rd. they are well up long semi rural driveways.

Hi Throaty, interesting post. I love your Cul de sac idea hope it narrows your search a bit for you.

I don't think Op Shops were BRE's thing, and there were shops around in late 1990s, not the big ones like Salvos as that didn't happen till 2000s when Salvation Army Family Stores rebranded to Salvos Stores. (There are still Family Stores around, but the slick Salvos Stores are the big money makers). I managed several stores for them and was part of new staff intake just after name change. But there were little church ones and jumble sales.

BRE didn't want any old clothes, IMO, he wanted things from women he desired, had spied on, broken into their homes to steal their underwear, nighties. It's the idea of "coveting", obsessing over something and only that piece of clothing belonging to that particular person will satisfy, till the next one, of course.

Good luck Throaty. You'll need to start soon before the hot weather!

 

[Krusty Crab]

I'd be confident that it would be volunteers for paid weekend work. Probably at overtime rates.
Signifying that they might not be able to force their permanent staff to do this weekend work. Leaving Telstra to have to look at external contractors or flying in Telstra or contractor expertise from other States to assist do the work if it was urgent enough.

considering they were 'volunteers' it could be they got paid standard rates, but had the following monday off or similar in lieu.

 

[Deva]

News in is that BRE is going to be stripped of a community service award he was given in 2013 for his involvement with children's sport. The award was given to him for his involvement with the Kewdale and Belmont little athletics centre. Apparently he filled various roles at the clubs inc President and Chairman.
Good on the City of Belmont council!

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Sounds like a no-brainer really!

 

[Kurve]

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Yes, that’s what I came across. I tempered my assessment due to Hall’s finding that it was unlikely DF was there, although he didn’t rule it out; he appeared to be covering all bases there so as to ensure his judgement was safe. It is extremely odd that DF would remain after EB, but those three had such a weird relationship I think it is possible. The utility statement and details from EB and DF about timing definitely add up to him still being at Fountain Way.

That’s why I think Edwards headed south towards the Madora Bay house, dumped the body on the way, cleaned himself up and came back to Perth. Initially I thought he would have cleaned the car as well. However, upon finding vision of Madora Bay subsequently, I think even cleaning the car is extremely unlikely.

The Madora Bay house has a completely open grass front to the street with no garage or way of entering the house without being in the open. This was from the search in 2016, but from the layout in the vision and given people are more likely to add this than take it away, I doubt there was anything in 1996. I genuinely can’t see him lugging the body across the front lawn, which supports my premise that he dumped it on the way (which I held for other reasons). I also can’t see him cleaning the car in the open in full view of the street and neighbours.

Given the time frame of when he needed to be back in Perth, I doubt the body is anywhere but South. Sure he had time, but the further away from Madora Bay he travelled initially the harder he was making it for himself. But particularly, I do not think he would have gone anywhere near Fountain Bay with any evidence at that point.

Realy good reasoning and quite right I think, from the time Sarah rang the cab to dawn which iirc was about 5.30am give or take a few minutes, he only had three and a half hours or so under cover of dark. I imagine he would have been trying to complete his tidying up by then.

The only other alternative I can think of and given Cottesloe became his anchor? from the KK attack on, would be the Cottesloe Exchange which might have given him at that time of the morning, the privacy to clean up.

Edit: The judgement though, while it mentions Cottesloe 38 times, doesn't mention the exchange as somewhere BRE might have access to.

410 In the 1990s there were two main Telstra depots: one in Oxford Close, Leederville that mainly did maintenance, and one in Colin Street, West Perth that mainly did installation. The two divisions were eventually amalgamated in a new depot, which was located at 55 Walters Drive, Herdsman. A lot of the field technicians started and finished their day from this depot and it was where the Telstra office staff were located.246 411 Mr Kinnear met the accused when the two depots moved to Herdsman. He had been working at the West Perth depot and the accused had been working at the Leederville depot.

 

[ms finch]

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Realy good reasoning and quite right I think, from the time Sarah rang the cab to dawn which iirc was about 5.30am give or take a few minutes, he only had three and a half hours or so under cover of dark. I imagine he would have been trying to complete his tidying up by then.

The only other alternative I can think of and given Cottesloe became his anchor? from the KK attack on, would be the Cottesloe Exchange which might have given him at that time of the morning, the privacy to clean up.

Edit: The judgement though, while it mentions Cottesloe 38 times, doesn't mention the exchange as somewhere BRE might have access to.

410 In the 1990s there were two main Telstra depots: one in Oxford Close, Leederville that mainly did maintenance, and one in Colin Street, West Perth that mainly did installation. The two divisions were eventually amalgamated in a new depot, which was located at 55 Walters Drive, Herdsman. A lot of the field technicians started and finished their day from this depot and it was where the Telstra office staff were located.246 411 Mr Kinnear met the accused when the two depots moved to Herdsman. He had been working at the West Perth depot and the accused had been working at the Leederville depot.

Yep, sunrise was 5:36am, and I think that is the crucial time. In my opinion there is no way he’s risking being seen in daylight. By the time he killed Sarah it would have been at least 2.30am (realistically, regardless of whether we believe the screams in Mosman Park were hers, which I do). The light would have started to appear in the sky around 5am.

I just don’t believe he would have made it difficult for himself by traveling long distances away from somewhere he could securely go. I also don’t think he would have risked being seen on the road in weird places after it was light. He was calculating enough in the way he prowled, stalked and lured and attacked women (even pre Claremont) that I believe there would have been calculation in other areas, to a point.

Just a totally random thought that has been prompted by the info you have posted about the depots. Rebecca Delalande disappeared back in late 2001 (although not known about until 2017 when police went looking for her to discuss her evidence regarding Lisa Brown’s disappearance). They charged her boyfriend at the time with her murder and he was on trial, but it was abandoned after 3 days in December 2019 due to “developments”. There has been nothing said in the media since.

It occurs to me that this was right around the time Edwards’ trial was getting underway. I am almost certain that is just a random coincidence, but nonetheless worth noting. The reason I thought of it was because Rebecca used to frequent West Perth area for some reason; though I can’t recall whether I read this somewhere or heard it through other sources. Rebecca was a sex worker so I’m distinguishing West Perth from the Highgate/Northbridge area.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

On reading this statement again from a Telstra Living Witness, it's quite easy to see how the CSK could have got a very tired, vulnerable, slightly tipsy woman into his Telstra car?


I thought the Telstra car was a taxi so I hailed it': Claremont woman

"I'd had some to drink and I was tired by the end of the night," she said.
I was looking for taxis and at that time of night there wasn't a lot of traffic and there certainly weren't many taxis.

"I saw a car coming towards me ... and so I immediately put my hand up to hail it and then as it got closer, I kept my hand up, it to me looked the same shape as a taxi and then the driver stopped for me.

"It looked like the shape of a Ford or Holden station wagon."
I opened the front passenger side door and there was a man driving the car and I asked if he would give me a lift home or to Shenton Park, I can't remember which.

"I think he nodded in agreement because I got into the car."
"I closed the door and then when I sat down I looked at the dashboard and recognised that it wasn't a taxi and I believe I said to the gentleman, 'This is not a taxi', I don't recall feeling concerned, I don't recall the exact answer that perhaps he gave me, but then we started driving off towards Cottesloe.

"I believe at that time I understood that it wasn't a taxi but I didn't feel threatened or unsafe in there ." BBM

Scary reading that again and thinking that with this ease of picking up a woman, there may very well be more victims of BRE!

Claremont killer trial LIVE: Macro Taskforce probed Telstra car link in 1996 and 1998

More personal details about the man accused of the Claremont serial killings have emerged as another witness - the lover of Bradley Edwards' first wife - expressed he was in fear of Mr Edwards in the mid-1990s.

www.theage.com.au

 

[BomberManU]

I find it hard to believe that BRE would have used work facilities for 'cleaning up', or concealing a body, trophy etc. He wouldn't be the only one with access, so would have been a huge risk for him.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

A very well written article I thought I'd share. I was just thinking about women who sit in the front seat of a taxi, as per the Telstra Living Witness I posted about? I would never sit in the front seat and my Dad was a taxi driver for nearly 20 years. Women always sat in the back, only blokes jumped in the front. Of course I'm old school, perhaps it's thought of as being snobbish or unfriendly now for women to sit in the back seat, but in my day it was the opposite, you were thought a bit "racy," to jump in next to a bloke driving a taxi, stupid I know but that was the era.

I still think it's safer for a woman alone in the back seat, as this article demonstrates.

Claremont murders and the three words every woman knows

Former Telstra technician Bradley Robert Edwards might have looked normal. But today there’s proof that sometimes normal hides unimaginable evil.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[ms finch]

A very well written article I thought I'd share. I was just thinking about women who sit in the front seat of a taxi, as per the Telstra Living Witness I posted about? I would never sit in the front seat and my Dad was a taxi driver for nearly 20 years. Women always sat in the back, only blokes jumped in the front. Of course I'm old school, perhaps it's thought of as being snobbish or unfriendly now for women to sit in the back seat, but in my day it was the opposite, you were thought a bit "racy," to jump in next to a bloke driving a taxi, stupid I know but that was the era.

I still think it's safer for a woman alone in the back seat, as this article demonstrates.

Claremont murders and the three words every woman knows

Former Telstra technician Bradley Robert Edwards might have looked normal. But today there’s proof that sometimes normal hides unimaginable evil.

thenewdaily.com.au

It is standard for women to get in the back seat. I am not saying every woman does it, of course, or that men don’t, but every woman I know thinks like this and has at some point been told to do so. It is also a well known safety matter.

In the period after Uber established itself, there was a lot of anger from women about the expectation from drivers that they sit in the front seat and converse, so much so that at some point Uber issued a directive that passengers should not be considered rude (and marked down on the rating system) if they sat in the back and didn’t want to talk.

I had a huge argument with an Uber driver myself one day when he actually had the gall to say to me that my sitting in the back seat was insulting because it implied I judged him as unsafe. I flipped my lid, got out of the car at the lights and made a complaint to Uber. I am guessing I wasn’t the only one.

I hated the pressure to sit in the front seat and talk. It was awful. Some of the questions drivers ask are extremely invasive, “Are you married?”, “Do you have a boyfriend?” F*** OFF. I don’t care if your questions are innocent, they are completely inappropriate. They should make their drivers take a course in how to converse politely and with small talk.

I never use my exact home address. 99.9% of people are fine; it only takes one, though, to have a problem. Blame that one, not every person who takes precautions to avoid being in a risky situation as a result of them.

/rant over

 

[Kurve]

There's a related site, within that information you've provided which explains Klinefelter Syndrome, also to do with growth and deformed chromosomes.

Now that Klinefelter Syndrome is mentioned and I hope I haven't missed anything in here I should have read but I do miss things sometimes, Mark Rust who is considered a serial killer from Adelaide and who murdered Maya Jakic in 1999 and Japanese exchange student Megumi Suzuki in 2001 has Klinefelter Syndrome.

Rust followed a very similar trajectory of escalation to BRE.

'Mark Errin Rust started out as a pervert, exposing himself to women. But over the years things escalated. It became assault, then rape, then finally murder. - Sean Fewster

 

[Likeamystery]

Now that Klinefelter Syndrome is mentioned and I hope I haven't missed anything in here I should have read but I do miss things sometimes, Mark Rust who is considered a serial killer from Adelaide and who murdered Maya Jakic in 1999 and Japanese exchange student Megumi Suzuki in 2001 has Klinefelter Syndrome.

Rust followed a very similar trajectory of escalation to BRE.

'Mark Errin Rust started out as a pervert, exposing himself to women. But over the years things escalated. It became assault, then rape, then finally murder. - Sean Fewster

If BRE does have Klinefelter syndrome what was the substance in the baggies? Sounds like he had no trouble filling them

Most men with Klinefelter syndrome produce little or no sperm, but assisted reproductive procedures may make it possible for some men with Klinefelter syndrome to father children.

Klinefelter syndrome - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[Kurve]

If BRE does have Klinefelter syndrome what was the substance in the baggies? Sounds like he had no trouble filling them

Most men with Klinefelter syndrome produce little or no sperm, but assisted reproductive procedures may make it possible for some men with Klinefelter syndrome to father children.

Klinefelter syndrome - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

I don't know whether he's got it or not LAM, just thought it was interesting that another serial killer did.

From the reading, Klinefelter ranges from mild forms to severe so I'm not sure the baggies contents would mean a great deal.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

If BRE does have Klinefelter syndrome what was the substance in the baggies? Sounds like he had no trouble filling them

Most men with Klinefelter syndrome produce little or no sperm, but assisted reproductive procedures may make it possible for some men with Klinefelter syndrome to father children.

Klinefelter syndrome - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

Something I've thought before, I wonder if BRE had been tested and told he was sterile and couldn't have children? Perhaps both wives knew this, EB maybe after marriage? That might have explained the "unusual arrangements" with EB bringing in her lover to their home? Lover DF might not have known he was being used as a "sperm bank" till much later down the track? I know BRE asked EB if the child was his when she became pregnant, but it was probably an attempt to be a father even though he knew he couldn't ever be? The tearful trio crying together, and DF staying on with BRE after EB had left suggests to me some sort of understanding between them all. (I was getting confused just typing this, imagine living it?)

So could the PPP (plastic pleasure pouches as I call them) were BRE's twisting of "defective" sperm to "unique" sperm, "special", worthy of keeping and not to be rejected by women, as he felt they were doing?

Random thoughts.

 

[Rockman928]

Does anyone know where in Noranda he lived?

BRE stated in the police interview that it was Mayer Close. A few streets away from my childhood home.

ive had a slightly different idea that ive been working on. say BRE as a child was bullied or picked on, and his mother mollycoddled him with hugs and holding him. as he ages to primary school age this continues, and he starts to associate the female persona as being warm, comforting and accepting. BRE then gets older, and his mother starts being a bit more hands off as you would expect, and suggests he stands up to the bullies/deals with it/moves on etc. BRE being socially awkward is unable to deal with this, and so he starts trying to find his own 'security blanket' in effect, the warm female persona he had previous. possibly it starts as just clothing that has his mothers smell on it, then as he gets older again and his hormones kick in, he starts looking for a woman to replace his mother type figure, and do similar while being his partner. being socially awkward makes this hard for him, so he starts peeping, and pinching clothing from washing lines to wear. soon he has a mental link of wearing female clothing and sexual arousal of being connected to the woman the clothing came from. this leads to him taking further risks from taking clothes off washing lines, to actually seeing the female that owns the clothes, or taking the clothing of his choice from their drawers/cupboards. the sexual arousal while wearing female clothes grows, and he starts progressions towards sexual crimes against females.

This has been the same idea I have been working on. Interesting quote:

"Nonetheless, there are remarkably many serial killers whose mothers showed tendency to be highly controlling, overbearing, or overprotective of their sons. This supports the theory that some serial killers’ behaviours are rooted in gender identification involving a boy’s ability to successfully negotiate his masculine autonomy from his mother—a challenge not faced by females.

Vronsky, Peter. Serial Killers (pp. 272-273). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

I agree that the mother most likely mollycoddled and enabled him big time. The nature vs nurture debate is perennial, but I agree with the theory that serial killers are crafted from a slightly impalpable cocktail of biological and environmental factors. I will list some key ones that I feel are at play with BRE.

BRE being born a psychopath
The mother mollycoddling him and enabling him as a child
Psychological harm possibly arising from bullying at a young age (approximately 70 percent of serial killers are victims of some form of psychological or physical abuse as a child or adolescent)
BRE's parents going overseas and allowing him more freedom to start escalating and testing the waters
The fact that BRE's HH attack was not dealt with correctly during a much more laissez-faire era (not saying it would have stopped him from killing, but just stating it nonetheless)
BRE having trouble sleeping at night and having access to fleet vehicles that he could cruise around in without running km's up on his own vehicle.

The father may have had thoughts along the lines of 'that boy ain't right' in relation to any odd behaviour he may have noticed (whether he knew about BRE's fetish for women's clothing or not), however during an era in which men were expected to be 'tough' and mental health issues were much more taboo, he may have thought it was a phase that he'd simply snap out of sooner or later.

In relation to BRE and his sleeping issues, I have it from a very reliable source that he was a bad snorer.

Additionally, I recall there being talk on here a while back about purchases of breathing equipment linked to his eBay account which would further indicate that he had some form of sleep apnea.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

BRE stated in the police interview that it was Mayer Close. A few streets away from my childhood home.




This has been the same idea I have been working on. Interesting quote:

"Nonetheless, there are remarkably many serial killers whose mothers showed tendency to be highly controlling, overbearing, or overprotective of their sons. This supports the theory that some serial killers’ behaviours are rooted in gender identification involving a boy’s ability to successfully negotiate his masculine autonomy from his mother—a challenge not faced by females.

Vronsky, Peter. Serial Killers (pp. 272-273). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

I agree that the mother most likely mollycoddled and enabled him big time. The nature vs nurture debate is perennial, but I agree with the theory that serial killers are crafted from a slightly impalpable cocktail of biological and environmental factors. I will list some key ones that I feel are at play with BRE.

BRE being born a psychopath
The mother mollycoddling him and enabling him as a child
Psychological harm possibly arising from bullying at a young age (approximately 70 percent of serial killers are victims of some form of psychological or physical abuse as a child or adolescent)
BRE's parents going overseas and allowing him more freedom to start escalating and testing the waters
The fact that BRE's HH attack was not dealt with correctly during a much more laissez-faire era (not saying it would have stopped him from killing, but just stating it nonetheless)
BRE having trouble sleeping at night and having access to fleet vehicles that he could cruise around in without running km's up on his own vehicle.

The father may have had thoughts along the lines of 'that boy ain't right' in relation to any odd behaviour he may have noticed (whether he knew about BRE's fetish for women's clothing or not), however during an era in which men were expected to be 'tough' and mental health issues were much more taboo, he may have thought it was a phase that he'd simply snap out of sooner or later.

In relation to BRE and his sleeping issues, I have it from a very reliable source that he was a bad snorer.

Additionally, I recall there being talk on here a while back about purchases of breathing equipment linked to his eBay account which would further indicate that he had some form of sleep apnea.

Fabulous post, really enjoyed reading it Rockman928! Just one question, BRE was a bad snorer, you have this from a "reliable source", so someone who slept with him? Or stayed over his house after a party, or is a close family member?

Of course you can't tell us, but is it one of these options? Or perhaps someone who worked in a Sleep Clinic BRE attended, now that WOULD be an interesting option!

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Fabulous post, really enjoyed reading it Rockman928! Just one question, BRE was a bad snorer, you have this from a "reliable source", so someone who slept with him? Or stayed over his house after a party, or is a close family member?

Of course you can't tell us, but is it one of these options? Or perhaps someone who worked in a Sleep Clinic BRE attended, now that WOULD be an interesting option!

Been thinking overnight (always dangerous with me as all sorts of things float around in my little brain), was it someone in the prison system who heard him snoring ( on either side of the bars)??