Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

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Gob smacked she has made such a statement up front considering the number of schools in the area. For a prosecutor to allege he had no knowledge of the victims up front of a trial is careless.

This could fairly dangerous into the trial when defence counsel points this out as the legal wind changes
I think Carmel is pretty smart so unless there's evidence he actually met them then there is none but for he drank in pubs, of course he might have spotted them somewhere. Does that mean he knows them? I see hundreds of people every week, most of them I don't know and even if I recognised their face again still wouldn't say I knew them.
 

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Are you reading the media? Carmel has already indicated they were strangers, that he attacked women he did not know.
Considering a forum members previous comments and the fact Ciaras mother was a teacher at Iona, it wil be interesting to see if the prosecution is asking the right people the right questions and of the 580 witnesses whether those people are present.

If the accused has not heard in discussion of the Iona families, more so the possiblity work done at the school under multipe positions at Telstra, I will be very surprised. Either that, or previous forum member content is further misinformation.

The connections of the accused with staff at Iona is too coincidental. Not implying involvement, but maybe passing comment influenced victims targeted.

If those persons are not questioned by the prosecution, I dare say they will be notified.
 

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I think Carmel is pretty smart so unless there's evidence he actually met them then there is none but for he drank in pubs, of course he might have spotted them somewhere. Does that mean he knows them? I see hundreds of people every week, most of them I don't know and even if I recognised their face again still wouldn't say I knew them.
Stalker, assault charges, girls Catholic boarding school. Close relationships with Iona staff. Victims mother a teacher at the school.

I see thousands of people every week too. I guess you dont dress up in mens underwear and spank into glad wrap bags.
 

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Melsy

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I presume prosecution has gone back and interviewed Iona staff and any relationship with the accused. If not, people will be questioning why.

Not to mention a technician in the area carried out work, with a focus on PABX of commercial premises such as the one where a prosecution took place.

This state has a bad reputation in the past for hiding significant evidence. Don't forget LW was targeted even though at one point evidence stood that proved it was not him.

We have at least two cases in the immediate area where people of interest have been targeted with tenacity and others ignored.
 
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shellyg

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Not to mention a technician in the area carried out work, with a focus on PABX of commercial premises such as the one where a prosecution took place.

This state has a bad reputation in the past for hiding significant evidence. Don't forget LW was targeted even though at one point evidence stood that proved it was not him.
I know ... but I'd want to know why investigators hadn't gone back. They've had well over two years now to tidy this up and Carmel would be right to expect that most of everything that needed to be done, has been done.

And I haven't forgotten much, I am acutely aware of how shabby that investigation has been and am very quick to post when I find a flaw.
 

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I am privvy to some inside information. You may take it or leave it but suggest this is left alone thanks. She did not attend Iona.
I wouldn't be one of them questioning why the prosecution didnt go back and interview Iona staff.
Even if they are complete strangers, that does not mean they were not stalked and targeted. More so based if the accused had passing conversations with staff members of the school and or worked at Iona at one stage.
 

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So part of the justification for a judge only trial is that the prosecution intends to show pictures of the victims bodies at the dump site, and pictures from their post mortem. what is to be gained by showing these photos? surely anything shown in these photos wouldn't be debated by either the prosecution or defence, and would be considered factual? cant the prosecution simply discuss any items that need to be included? what could be in the photos that requires them to be shown?
 

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So part of the justification for a judge only trial is that the prosecution intends to show pictures of the victims bodies at the dump site, and pictures from their post mortem. what is to be gained by showing these photos? surely anything shown in these photos wouldn't be debated by either the prosecution or defence, and would be considered factual? cant the prosecution simply discuss any items that need to be included? what could be in the photos that requires them to be shown?
I get the feeling this was mayo. The main thrust of the requirement for a JO trial is the long history and the high level people in WA would be affected and have bias against anybody put forward as a suspect.
 

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Investigators are tracking down and talking to people involved in illegal street drags back in the 80s 90s. Trying to place BRE at Pipidinny Road apparently.

Of course this is second hand local chat but it makes good sense.
Well Scott Fenton and Tina Christie the basketballers were killed in Marmion Avenue in Hillarys in 1989 so there were definitely illegal street races at the time. Whether these extended up to the corner of Marmion Avenue and Pippidinny Road would be another question. Also whether there was any association with BRE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Fenton

"Fenton and Christie were turning into Marmion Avenue in the Perth suburb of Hillarys when reportedly two cars racing down that street with no headlights on slammed into their car. Both Fenton and Christie died instantly."

https://www.communitynews.com.au/jo...-reflect-on-influence-of-scott-fentons-death/

"They were killed instantly when a V8 Holden Commodore, which police said had been travelling at up to 200km/h while drag racing, ploughed into the driver’s side of their Honda sedan near Flinders Avenue just after midnight. "
 

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Well Scott Fenton and Tina Christie the basketballers were killed in Marmion Avenue in Hillarys in 1989 so there were definitely illegal street races at the time. Whether these extended up to the corner of Marmion Avenue and Pippidinny Road would be another question. Also whether there was any association with BRE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Fenton

"Fenton and Christie were turning into Marmion Avenue in the Perth suburb of Hillarys when reportedly two cars racing down that street with no headlights on slammed into their car. Both Fenton and Christie died instantly."

https://www.communitynews.com.au/jo...-reflect-on-influence-of-scott-fentons-death/

"They were killed instantly when a V8 Holden Commodore, which police said had been travelling at up to 200km/h while drag racing, ploughed into the driver’s side of their Honda sedan near Flinders Avenue just after midnight. "
Reaching the bottom of the barrel here. This is no where near Pippidinny Rd, over 25km away and Pipidinny didn't connect to Marmion Ave at all when Ciara was discovered.

Would be more interesting talking about whether the prosecution has given the defence the compete DNA report, as was reported they hadn't yet at the last Directions hearing. When is the next hearing?

Alternatively SS77 SimonSays77 could explain Gnosis 33 he's been posting about?
 

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Reaching the bottom of the barrel here. This is no where near Pippidinny Rd, over 25km away and Pipidinny didn't connect to Marmion Ave at all when Ciara was discovered.
Still the general if not immediate area when illegal street racers are driving at 200 kmph on long stretches of road, it's only 7.5 minutes away.
 

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Well Scott Fenton and Tina Christie the basketballers were killed in Marmion Avenue in Hillarys in 1989 so there were definitely illegal street races at the time. Whether these extended up to the corner of Marmion Avenue and Pippidinny Road would be another question. Also whether there was any association with BRE.
There's been some wondering about how investigators tracked these people who were involved in illegal street drags down. That could be one way, by opening the police file on these deaths and contacting anybody who's name came up.

Also this news clipping which I've posted before but won't hurt to post it again I think. Gives an idea of the culture at the time although this is late 80s.

 

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But it stopped not far up the road from Hillarys in 1997.

Marmion Ave didn't connect with Pippinny until years later. Nothing to do with CSK at all.
We can be pretty sure the areas he left the girls in were pre chosen, he didnt just go for a drive around somewhere he'd never been before and think 'ok' I might just stop here. He'd been there before.

A Telstra knife was found near Jane, it's vitally important the prosecution can place him at some point near where Ciara was found if they can and I'd expect them to leave no stone unturned. If he went to the speedway as it's been suggested many times and we know Pipidinny Road was used for illegal street drags, it's perfectly logical if they can't peg him there for work or other purpose, that it may well have been to either participate in or watch the drags.
 

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There's been some wondering about how investigators tracked these people who were involved in illegal street drags down. That could be one way, by opening the police file on these deaths and contacting anybody who's name came up.

Also this news clipping which I've posted before but won't hurt to post it again I think. Gives an idea of the culture at the time although this is late 80s.

I know it's inappropriate to do so, but I laughed a little to myself when the girl stated that "it's not like they're out murdering people or anything"
 

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There's been some wondering about how investigators tracked these people who were involved in illegal street drags down. That could be one way, by opening the police file on these deaths and contacting anybody who's name came up.

Also this news clipping which I've posted before but won't hurt to post it again I think. Gives an idea of the culture at the time although this is late 80s.

the south frementle 1987 hoon show - you really have a thing for bring this up dont you?
 

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