- Dec 27, 2016
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- Western Bulldogs
The information Pipidinny Rd was used for illegal drags came from locals and people who are familiar with the area. That appeared to be confirmed on hearing local chat the police were tracking down people who were involved in it.Also you say we know Pipidinny Rd was used for illegal drags ... but was it? It was a winding, poorly lit, minor road that was basically a fishing track leading to a beach and nothing to do with the speedway or illegal street drags. There is nothing to say the accused was involved in illegal street drags in his work vechicle or wife's run around vehicle either.
I think it has exactly the same relevance as Gnosis! Have to wait until SS77 provides some information and I'll confirm. That is, SFA.The information Pipidinny Rd was used for illegal drags came from locals and people who are familiar with the area. That appeared to be confirmed on hearing local chat the police were tracking down people who were involved in it.
It wasn't all winding even if one end petered off to the beach. The car that hit the basketballers had it's headlights off so I don't think illegal street racers are worried about poorly lit roads.
Are you a local? And do you know anything about the illegal street drag culture and how they operate? I suspect not or you would know as soon as there is a accident/fatality and/or the police show up they don't go back there. At the end of a night, the next location is generally chosen out of a few and participants are told where to meet up. They rotate to keep the police blind to where they will drag next.
As per PeteDavo's post, we will probably be hearing through the trial that BRE attended Claremont Speedway. Were you aware that Barbagallo Raceway is close to Eglinton? If he was a fan of speedway and car or bike racing, he probably went there as well.
If we're talking about trying to place BRE in Eglinton, it's a relevant discussion. And I'm pretty sure it's got more relevance than whatever GNOSIS is although I'm looking forward to an explanation.
If the cops are tracking people down and showing them pictures of BRE to try and place him at Eglinton, then it's relevant imo but I'm not over confident and you read as if you are supremely so .. perhaps you could shoot investigators off an email and ask them why they're even bothering?I think it has exactly the same relevance as Gnosis! Have to wait until SS77 provides some information and I'll confirm. That is, SFA.
All the better for illegal street racing my dearPippi Rd has no lights (and still doesn't),
Ummm?was mostly a single lane
"The bricklayer, now 62, said about 4.30am on a Sunday morning in March 1997 he was heading south on Wanneroo Rd, from Yanchep to his work site at Nollamara, when he saw the taxi begin turning out of Pipidinny Rd in front of him."and according to a witness who saw a strange car come out onto Wanneroo Rd from Pippi a night or two after Ciara's disappearance, it was unusual to see any cars using that road.
Good 'ol standard across the board distance. Also plenty of runs to change the distances up. Perfect place for it with quite a few pics out there to suggest that it was and still is a popular place to lay down a track of rubber.Great pic.
I've been all over that road, there's plenty of straight stellar runs for a quarter mile sprint. Even a mile.
Thanks for that pic and local report on the taxi Sorbet but no reports on drag racing on Pippi? Just gossip? This picture is on a straight part of the road but is the base of a hill. It was mostly single lane and still is, not far beyond this (now on other side of Marmion Ave).All the better for illegal street racing my dear
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"The bricklayer, now 62, said about 4.30am on a Sunday morning in March 1997 he was heading south on Wanneroo Rd, from Yanchep to his work site at Nollamara, when he saw the taxi begin turning out of Pipidinny Rd in front of him."
"He said it was odd to see a taxi in Yanchep area at that time of a Sunday morning, when there was rarely any traffic around."
If you hadn't jumped in knocking another poster's research and attempting to steer the discussion in your own direction it would have been done with a page back.Yeah ... so many posts discussing drag racing on Marmion Ave or other paces that a group seems to be obsessed with is tangential to the CSK and concerning for independent thinking or the facts.
Below quotes by Bonza have clarified that illegal drag/street racing was happening on Pipidinny Rd. So just gossip?no reports on drag racing on Pippi? Just gossip?
Hmmm, seen as I lived and worked in the area back then i can say for a fact that Pipidinny Road was used quite a bit by traffic going between Wanneroo and Burns Beach area
It was most definitely used for illegal drag races, hooning
I think I know who you're talking about.Even if they are complete strangers, that does not mean they were not stalked and targeted. More so based if the accused had passing conversations with staff members of the school and or worked at Iona at one stage.
I guess you are not a surfer or recreational boatsperson or fisherperson for that matter but a lot of residents out there are, that's why those chose to live out there, for the lifestyle.... By the mid 90s Marmion Ave had connected to Yanchep and Eglinton Road was one of the few roads that connected the North of Wanneroo area to the coast. Specifically Wanneroo Road to Marmion Avenue. Take a good look at street map of the area and you will see from Marmion Ave/ Pidinny Rd intersection you had two choices, turn south to reach Alkimos, Quinns Rock, Mindarie, Burns Beach.... all the way to Mullaloo Beach where Marmion Ave originally started or turn right to go out to Yanchep and Two Rocks. So yes being one of the few roads connecting inland to the coast out that way it was used quite a bit by local trafffic.Really? "Pipidinny Rd was used quite a bit by traffic between and Burns Beach area" Maybe you're remembering something different because Pipidinny Rd was around 15km away as the bird flies from from Burns Beach area.
Wanneroo Rd is marked with circles around the 60 and was the only way to enter Pipi Rd at the time.
It wasn't on the way to anywhere except a single lane and sandy track to an isolated beach. No Marmion Ave extension anywhere near it then.
There's a thread for the good bad an ugly theories, so I'm confused why this is still going on here.
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10yrs too early Bonza. Marmion Ave didnt extend past Benenden Ave in Butler until November 2008.By the mid 90s Marmion Ave had connected to Yanchep
Illegal street drags in the northern suburbs of Perth across Waneroo was such a problem that it got a mention in Hansard when another two people were killed in 2002 regardless of efforts by police in 1999 to address the problem by hosting Blue Light Drags.Well Scott Fenton and Tina Christie the basketballers were killed in Marmion Avenue in Hillarys in 1989 so there were definitely illegal street races at the time. Whether these extended up to the corner of Marmion Avenue and Pippidinny Road would be another question. Also whether there was any association with BRE.
"Fenton and Christie were turning into Marmion Avenue in the Perth suburb of Hillarys when reportedly two cars racing down that street with no headlights on slammed into their car. Both Fenton and Christie died instantly."
"They were killed instantly when a V8 Holden Commodore, which police said had been travelling at up to 200km/h while drag racing, ploughed into the driver’s side of their Honda sedan near Flinders Avenue just after midnight. "
10yrs too early Bonza. Marmion Ave didnt extend past Benenden Ave in Butler until November 2008.
I agree with BlueE on the Pipidinny Rd issue not being used in the mid 90's for anything other than people accessing the beach or the dunes & I'm familiar with the area too for that reason, increasingly between 99-01.
I have no doubt that as infill pushed them out it was used eventually for racing etc, but as early as 96-97 I very much doubt it. I could be wrong but I dont think it was necessary for them to go so far out & nothing at all besides 1-2 members saying it was used (which I appreciate & respect its their memory of the time, but is in conflict with my own) theres no actual proof I can find otherwise that says it was used then for that reason. Theres plenty of video/blogs that reminisce about those years with the same streets/suburbs consistently being named all over the metro region yet Pipidinny hasn't rated a single mention until many years later. It wasn't till around 2003 that the last groups stopped congregating in the carparks at Scarborough beach to do burnouts of a weekend during the day, which blows my mind to think back to now as it seems so blatant but I think is indicative of the attitudes towards it still several years after the time in question. I imagine quite a few would definitely have dropped a burnout or two while travelling down Pipidinny, but as for groups congregating there & it being used for meets etc in mid to late 90's, I just dont believe it was.
Exactly 2 of the areas I've come across consistently being mentioned as hotspots & some 30-40km away from Eglinton. It may not seem that big a distance for some, but to travel that far outside suburbia in Perth in the 90's, it was akin to a packed lunch & a daytrip & there was just no need to go that far out to a dark isolated road to race or do some burnouts. Just MO.Illegal street drags in the northern suburbs of Perth across Waneroo was such a problem that it got a mention in Hansard when another two people were killed in 2002 regardless of efforts by police in 1999 to address the problem by hosting Blue Light Drags.
Their vision: To provide a safe environment for people to race their cars instead of racing illegally in the back streets of Landsdale and Wangara.
Agree that randomly used may be an appropriate description & more reason to doubt a bloke from Huntingdale would travel 70km+ to go to.It's not that it was regular spot used but rather a spot that was randomly used. It was probably a spot used only when other spots were not being used for whatever reasons. The dragsters used to have scanners and would often be able to know when to clear out before the police arrived at wherever they were, and as result they wouldn't return to that spot for some time and instead find another spot in the meantime.
Illegal street drags can be very serious for a certain type of crowd. I've known them to travel hundreds of kilometres to attend one out of the way meet, it's not all about who's the best driver but a car's performance and trade. 70kms is nothing.Exactly 2 of the areas I've come across consistently being mentioned as hotspots & some 30-40km away from Eglinton. It may not seem that big a distance for some, but to travel that far outside suburbia in Perth in the 90's, it was akin to a packed lunch & a daytrip & there was just no need to go that far out to a dark isolated road to race or do some burnouts. Just MO.
Melsy. I hate to comment but you do comment all over the show. Murders in Midland. Comments everywhere. BRE was an outcast, and isolated from chicky babes in Claremont. Until he could snatch two. But his DNA is matched to a third at Karrakatta Cemetery.Considering a forum members previous comments and the fact Ciaras mother was a teacher at Iona, it wil be interesting to see if the prosecution is asking the right people the right questions and of the 580 witnesses whether those people are present.
If the accused has not heard in discussion of the Iona families, more so the possiblity work done at the school under multipe positions at Telstra, I will be very surprised. Either that, or previous forum member content is further misinformation.
The connections of the accused with staff at Iona is too coincidental. Not implying involvement, but maybe passing comment influenced victims targeted.
If those persons are not questioned by the prosecution, I dare say they will be notified.