Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

[Kurve]

Current - Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/I/inquest_into_the_suspected_death_of_julie_cutler.aspx https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER, Julie Leanne.pdf (49 pages) '[2023] WACOR 19 JURISDICTION : CORONER'S COURT OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA ACT : CORONERS ACT 1996 CORONER : SARAH...

www.bigfooty.com

Unsolved - Gerard Ross - Abducted Kent st Rockingham WA 1997

Gerard was abducted near Kent Street in Rockingham on the morning of October 14, 1997 with the intention of visiting a local comic book store. Police have received more than 70 calls to Crime Stoppers since Tuesday's fresh public appeal into the murder of Gerard Ross in Rockingham in 1997...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Power Raid]

Yes in WA Peter Butt went missing on 18 June 1988. Julie Cutler went missing on 20 June 1988. I wonder if Peter came to Julie's aid and met with fate too.

Missing Person - Peter Butt • Crime Stoppers Western Australia

Peter Butt was last seen in East Victoria Park Western Australia on 18 June 1988.

www.crimestopperswa.com.au

amazing coincidence

I wonder if Butt had any priors

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Not everybody agrees with me but I have BRE strongly for Julie Cutler's disappearance and I also have a slight suspicion for Gerard Ross. Not SM though imo.

Hi Shelly, from that report you uploaded about Julie Cutler it would seem WAPOL agrees with you that the CSK also took poor JC. (I agree with you too!)

"In his report, Mr Bartlett makes a series of assertions, many of which have never been aired publicly, about the three Claremont murders.

He wrote that police have told the father of a fourth missing woman, 22-year-old Julie Cutler, that his daughter was probably the first victim of the Claremont killer."

Also it said in that report about the Claremont murders...

"It says police are convinced both women were killed close to where they were abducted, and on the same nights that they were abducted.

They were not murdered where they were found."

Obviously WAPOL now think differently, but interesting none the less that initially they were convinced the girls weren't killed where they were found?

 

[the dark knight]

Current - Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/I/inquest_into_the_suspected_death_of_julie_cutler.aspx https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER, Julie Leanne.pdf (49 pages) '[2023] WACOR 19 JURISDICTION : CORONER'S COURT OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA ACT : CORONERS ACT 1996 CORONER : SARAH...

www.bigfooty.com

Unsolved - Gerard Ross - Abducted Kent st Rockingham WA 1997

Gerard was abducted near Kent Street in Rockingham on the morning of October 14, 1997 with the intention of visiting a local comic book store. Police have received more than 70 calls to Crime Stoppers since Tuesday's fresh public appeal into the murder of Gerard Ross in Rockingham in 1997...

www.bigfooty.com

Thanks Shelly. I believe JC could’ve been the 1st victim. GR, Different story. Why would the CSK completely change from female who is 18+ yrs old to a young male child? Just my opinion tho.
Something bugs me about SM tho. I can’t put my finger on it.

 

[Kurve]

Thanks Shelly. I believe JC could’ve been the 1st victim. GR, Different story. Why would the CSK completely change from female who is 18+ yrs old to a young male child? Just my opinion tho.
Something bugs me about SM tho. I can’t put my finger on it.

Agree its easy to go after BRE for unsolved womens murders, we know what his form is but that doesn't mean imo he should be excluded from others because he doesn't have the history of attacking boys or men, that we know of.

The prosecution dropped the emotional upset argument for a reason, because it doesn't fit. I've got a read on BRE that could be way off but I think he's a vindictive campaigner where power and control in a misplaced revenge was his motive. Gerard Ross could have triggered someone like that simply because he looked just like the Huntingdale victim's little brother who nearly drowned him in a pool and the opportunity was there. Long bow but there are some similarities.

Investigators also recently stated that whoever it was that took Gerard was no ordinary paedophile.

Do the cops have Donald Morey for Sarah McMahon? I believe they were talking to each other on the phone before she vanished or am I getting it mixed up?

 

[the dark knight]

Agree its easy to go after BRE for unsolved womens murders, we know what his form is but that doesn't mean imo he should be excluded from others because he doesn't have the history of attacking boys or men, that we know of.

The prosecution dropped the emotional upset argument for a reason, because it doesn't fit. I've got a read on BRE that could be way off but I think he's a vindictive campaigner where power and control in a misplaced revenge was his motive. Gerard Ross could have triggered someone like that simply because he looked just like the Huntingdale victim's little brother who nearly drowned him in a pool and the opportunity was there. Long bow but there are some similarities.

Investigators also recently stated that whoever it was that took Gerard was no ordinary paedophile.

Do the cops have Donald Morey for Sarah McMahon? I believe they were talking to each other on the phone before she vanished or am I getting it mixed up?

DM was interviewed. I don’t know much after that.

 

[Pamcake1]

Something that intrigues me, could it be possible, over the years a few men had befriended the accused but knew too much. We don't know if he always prowled or operated alone.

Over the years, umpteen men have gone missing too, and their disappearance is a complete mystery. It's also possible a male may have come to the aid of a woman who was being attacked.

I would very much doubt that BRE would have befriended any men, told them about his activities or ever acted when one was around.
BRE is a Coward when it comes to men, just listen to the audio of the Police interview again.....a disassembling Coward.
I would think he feared men and stayed well clear including aways making sure they were not around or anywhere near his targets (thinking of the Telstra witness who gets him to stop to get her shoes and her mates jump in the car here).
He is/was a solitary being, wrapped up in his computers, pornography and reliving this crimes through his 'kidnapping' stories that he obviously edited a lot. He doesn't seem to have confessed anything to anyone, not a drinker that would spill the beans when drunk.
Buries his energy is sports and little athletics when his 2nd chance/wife comes along as he tries to turn a new leaf and he is ageing too, buries himself in online pr0n, his little craft projects in self directed sex toys and how can we ever forget him saving his glad bags complete with emissions, because he now knew that DNA had come into being and he was never going to get caught for his "previous life's work'.
There's every chance that he might have attacked/killed a working girl or 2.
There is a good chance that the bank withdrawals would have been for prostitutes/working girls/sex addiction.
Why haven't any of the 'Girls' come forward to testify about him could be for the reasons that they don't remember him because of drug use/ don't want to remember because it was a past life / aren't around to testify / don't trust anyone or the authorities. It is possible that there are women out there who were on the game at the time and do know about him that we will hear about in the future but also they would know that they are not normally trusted by society so why bother with the expected grief.

 

[Deva]

I would very much doubt that BRE would have befriended any men, told them about his activities or ever acted when one was around.
BRE is a Coward when it comes to men, just listen to the audio of the Police interview again.....a disassembling Coward.
I would think he feared men and stayed well clear including aways making sure they were not around or anywhere near his targets (thinking of the Telstra witness who gets him to stop to get her shoes and her mates jump in the car here).
He is/was a solitary being, wrapped up in his computers, pornography and reliving this crimes through his 'kidnapping' stories that he obviously edited a lot. He doesn't seem to have confessed anything to anyone, not a drinker that would spill the beans when drunk.
Buries his energy is sports and little athletics when his 2nd chance/wife comes along as he tries to turn a new leaf and he is ageing too, buries himself in online pr0n, his little craft projects in self directed sex toys and how can we ever forget him saving his glad bags complete with emissions, because he now knew that DNA had come into being and he was never going to get caught for his "previous life's work'.
There's every chance that he might have attacked/killed a working girl or 2.
There is a good chance that the bank withdrawals would have been for prostitutes/working girls/sex addiction.
Why haven't any of the 'Girls' come forward to testify about him could be for the reasons that they don't remember him because of drug use/ don't want to remember because it was a past life / aren't around to testify / don't trust anyone or the authorities. It is possible that there are women out there who were on the game at the time and do know about him that we will hear about in the future but also they would know that they are not normally trusted by society so why bother with the expected grief.

I think your right on the money with all those points PC, he was definitely a loner wrapped up in his own little dark perverted world. As far as the prostitutes go they probably live in another life now and wouldn't come forward, but i'm thinking they are out there for sure.
I think when all this is over there will be more come forward and maybe more charges on him, who knows??

 

[Likeamystery]

I know this has been asked plenty of times. However, Considering with what we’ve heard in the trial. Does anybody believe that JC (1988)and SM (2000) are related to the Claremont Killings? I remember DM being a suspect with SM. However, I’m not 100% on it all. I was hoping for a local to fill the gaps. If you’re not comfortable discussing it on the thread, Feel free to PM me.

Thinking about it, JC went missing in 1988 and the HH attack took place in 1990. Was BRE working within the vicinity two years beforehand? He might have been. JC went missing in a similar manner to SS - they both simply vanished.

When young women were abducted from Claremont the media instantly made the public aware, which prompted pressure to apprehend the VC (vile creature). Abducting women off the street was a challenge, thinking something the accused CSK needed to fulfil a specific fantasy.

After the Claremont killings most people took notice and precautions were put in place, such as CCTV, and extra security guard presence who would escort women to their cars etc. There were precautions in all suburban hotspots, not just Claremont.

Due to the attention the accused CSK was smart enough to cease killing. During the years after the Claremont SKs Perth had several street workers, that we know of, who were attacked or killed. We know very little of these ladies who would have been such easy targets. For all we know there may have been lots of street workers killed, because they don't seem to get a mention on the Crime Stoppers website. The media hasn't mentioned much about them either.

In WA there's word that the Claremont killings were very organized and whoever performed them was far from an amateur. Meaning, the manner in which the two victims were found was the work of someone who was highly skilled - appearing as though he'd done it beforehand.

 

[insanity]

Question: when does sub judice get lifted?

 

[Likeamystery]

Thanks Shelly. I believe JC could’ve been the 1st victim. GR, Different story. Why would the CSK completely change from female who is 18+ yrs old to a young male child? Just my opinion tho.
Something bugs me about SM tho. I can’t put my finger on it.

Prior to being abducted GR was with his older brother who had gone to the shop ahead of him.
Have a look at the pair of them, hair colour etc. GR was about two years younger than his brother.

Then imagine BRE and his younger brother when they were the same age.

As an adult was BRE the nerd, jelous of his younger brother, who was the chick-magnet.

 

[Power Raid]

Agree its easy to go after BRE for unsolved womens murders, we know what his form is but that doesn't mean imo he should be excluded from others because he doesn't have the history of attacking boys or men, that we know of.

The prosecution dropped the emotional upset argument for a reason, because it doesn't fit. I've got a read on BRE that could be way off but I think he's a vindictive campaigner where power and control in a misplaced revenge was his motive. Gerard Ross could have triggered someone like that simply because he looked just like the Huntingdale victim's little brother who nearly drowned him in a pool and the opportunity was there. Long bow but there are some similarities.

Investigators also recently stated that whoever it was that took Gerard was no ordinary paedophile.

Do the cops have Donald Morey for Sarah McMahon? I believe they were talking to each other on the phone before she vanished or am I getting it mixed up?

I agree, you can't discount or exclude young male victims. After all, I don't feel any bloke smashing himself with home made dildos whilst wearing panties is 100% straight.

Further sexual violence may be the interest rather than women, attested to by being a cuckold and not performing in an intimate setting. So if it's sexual violence that gets a rise, does it need be a women or a man. He also chose petite women, as he could over power them and a boy would be no different in the dominance factor.

I don't know enough about the GR crime to say whether there are similarities.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Thinking about it, JC went missing in 1988 and the HH attack took place in 1990. Was BRE working within the vicinity two years beforehand? He might have been. JC went missing in a similar manner to SS - they both simply vanished.

When young women were abducted from Claremont the media instantly made the public aware, which prompted pressure to apprehend the VC (vile creature). Abducting women off the street was a challenge, thinking something the accused CSK needed to fulfil a specific fantasy.

After the Claremont killings most people took notice and precautions were put in place, such as CCTV, and extra security guard presence who would escort women to their cars etc. There were precautions in all suburban hotspots, not just Claremont.

Due to the attention the accused CSK was smart enough to cease killing. During the years after the Claremont SKs Perth had several street workers, that we know of, who were attacked or killed. We know very little of these ladies who would have been such easy targets. For all we know there may have been lots of street workers killed, because they don't seem to get a mention on the Crime Stoppers website. The media hasn't mentioned much about them either.

In WA there's word that the Claremont killings were very organized and whoever performed them was far from an amateur. Meaning, the manner in which the two victims were found was the work of someone who was highly skilled - appearing as though he'd done it beforehand.

Yes, LAM all really great observations. I like how you've adopted VC, think that was my name for BRE wasn't it?
I saw this report about police in USA not pursuing missing persons too thoroughly, if at all, when the missing are "marginalised" (ie prostitutes, drug addicts). Horrible consequences of their attitudes! It appears it's pretty similar here in Oz?

How Cops Botch Serial Killer Investigations

We spoke to a Robert Pickton investigator about police bias when marginalized people go missing.

www.vice.com

"Shenher, formerly the lead investigator of Vancouver police’s investigation into missing women from the Downtown Eastside, was given a tip about serial killer Robert Pickton in July 1998, after he’d stabbed and nearly killed a sex worker. The attempted murder charge against him was stayed. But Pickton wasn’t arrested until February 2002, when cops first obtained a warrant to search his pig farm for illegal guns. There, they found personal items belonging to some of the missing women. Between the stayed charge and the time of his arrest, police believe Pickton killed an additional 21 women, many of them sex workers."

 

[Power Raid]

I will add, there are many reasons why I'm intrigued by the CSK case:

1) I share an office with a lawyer caught up in the case, who was a boss of one of the victims
2) A navy mate who lived in Huntingdale in the 80s and 90s complained about the prowler
3) Just being a young guy, new to Perth and partying in Claremont in those days

and the one that bugs me.........did I pick up BRE as a hitchhiker?

4) I turned up to Perth and it took weeks for the military to get my car across, as such I hitch hiked from HMAS Stirling to everywhere often requiring two to four hitch hikes just to get to freo. As such I returned the favour when my car came across.

I picked up one hitch hiker in my car who looked like BREs as per his pic on the ship (but such a long time ago now - 1994(?)). I picked him up near Mosman and he said he wanted to go to Rockingham central. We spotted another hitch hiker, on cockburn road, and I asked him if it was OK we offered the second guy a lift.

Then the first guy asked to stop the car and wanted to get out on a dark stretch of Rockingham Road before Thomas. I thought it was a weird spot to get out but nothing more. The second guy s**t himself thinking he was about to get mugged, given the dark spot we stopped but jumped in the front and we finished the journey.

We haven't heard of BRE hitch hiking, to date, so may be not but I can't help but feel it was.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

I agree, you can't discount or exclude young male victims. After all, I don't feel any bloke smashing himself with home made dildos whilst wearing panties is 100% straight.

Further sexual violence may be the interest rather than women, attested to by being a cuckold and not performing in an intimate setting. So if it's sexual violence that gets a rise, does it need be a women or a man. He also chose petite women, as he could over power them and a boy would be no different in the dominance factor.

I don't know enough about the GR crime to say whether there are similarities.

Agree PR. I saw this article about Ted Bundy and perhaps his earliest victim. I'm trying to find the quote again as i read it recently, that Ted Bundy said something along the lines that killers never admit their child victims, some things are just "too dark" to talk about. I'll keep looking for it.

What Happened in Ted Bundy's Childhood That May Have Led to Him Becoming a Serial Killer?

As a child, Ted Bundy would fantasize about women he saw while window peeping and mimic the accents of politicians he heard on the radio. In essence, he was fantasizing about being someone else.

www.aetv.com

 

[zedx]

Not everybody agrees with me but I have BRE strongly for Julie Cutler's disappearance and I also have a slight suspicion for Gerard Ross. Not SM though imo.

Just want to bring up a point about GR 'apparently' not appearing to be sexually molested. (Please note I may be completely naive concerning this) I recently read a book set in the 1960's about a young mans journey discovering he was gay. It described his sexual activities. At no point during his life did he ever have 'penetrational' sex. It was always just 'sliding' between the thighs and apparently this is relatively common between gay men. I always thought there was always penetration involved. My point is, IMO this (along with other obvious types of non-penetrational sex )would leave no signs of sexual activity??

 

[Power Raid]

just a useful tool

State of Western Australia v Bradley Robert Edwards Audio

 

[Likeamystery]

When I travelled to that end of town from Floreat (close enough to Claremont) I'd usually go up Guildford Road. I'd get there by state route 72 and Vincent St. Sometimes when I came back I'd go via Morley Drive and the freeway - this is longer but about the same time.

A route from Claremont could also be Stirling Highway to Vic Park (State Route 5) and then up great eastern.
An alternative is Railway Rd / Stubbs Tce to Harborne St and then State Route 72/Guildford.

Routes involving State Route 72 are generally quicker.

Edit: on a Sunday morning at 9am it was just on 30 minutes from Floreat to MIdland Gate Bellvue via State route 72. From Claremont it would be another 5-7 minutes.
And for your reference downtown Perth to home in Huntingdale could be done in 19 minutes at 2am without breaking the speed limit.

Is it possible for a young man to drive to all these places in one morning. Below is a proposed schedule for Sat 27 Jan 1996

2am (approx.) SS last seen waiting for taxi in Claremont
2.30-3am - Mosman park (next suburb to Claremont)
3am-4am - Mosman Park to Darlington (42kms)
4am-5am - Darlington to Huntingdale (30.7kms)
5am-7am - Shower and breakfast
7.20am - arrived at the Cook's house in Thornlie (next suburb to Huntingdale)
7.40am - Huntingdale to Dumas House West Perth (Sat morning, no peak hour traffic - 25kms)
8/8.10am- arrived for work at Dumas House West Perth (supervisor may have permitted ten minutes for being late)

 

[the dark knight]

Has anyone considered Mundy Regional Park for SS? Geographically, It’s not far from Claremont. And on Connor Road, MRP in Google Earthquake, It looks pretty secluded. Would be even more at 3am.

 

[Pamcake1]

Agree PR. I saw this article about Ted Bundy and perhaps his earliest victim. I'm trying to find the quote again as i read it recently, that Ted Bundy said something along the lines that killers never admit their child victims, some things are just "too dark" to talk about. I'll keep looking for it.

What Happened in Ted Bundy's Childhood That May Have Led to Him Becoming a Serial Killer?

As a child, Ted Bundy would fantasize about women he saw while window peeping and mimic the accents of politicians he heard on the radio. In essence, he was fantasizing about being someone else.

www.aetv.com

Yes, you are right they thought Ted Bundy's first victim was a little girl when he was still a boy himself.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

just a useful tool

State of Western Australia v Bradley Robert Edwards Audio

Or should that be a useless tool??? (meaning BRE!)

 

[Kurve]

Agree PR. I saw this article about Ted Bundy and perhaps his earliest victim. I'm trying to find the quote again as i read it recently, that Ted Bundy said something along the lines that killers never admit their child victims, some things are just "too dark" to talk about. I'll keep looking for it.

What Happened in Ted Bundy's Childhood That May Have Led to Him Becoming a Serial Killer?

As a child, Ted Bundy would fantasize about women he saw while window peeping and mimic the accents of politicians he heard on the radio. In essence, he was fantasizing about being someone else.

www.aetv.com

The general consensus among some professionals on why Bundy won't admit to child victims was embarrassment and fear of other prisoners knowing making him a bigger target.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Further to Bundy and his VERY strange childhood. This jumped out at me, his mother "compartmentalising", are you kidding me? Can a mother be THAT much in that river in Egypt? (Denial) This from a "mother" who pretended to be her son's sister for many years. Like that doesn't mess with a child's mind ever so slightly?

A reporter who had spent over 100 hours taping Bundy had this encounter with "Mommy Dearest"....
BBM (Bolded by Me)
“So I sat down with them in their house and played for her and her husband the audio tapes with the more telling confessions, the descriptions he had shared with us.
“I remember how she listened intently, and as she was listening she started making these little sounds, like someone was squeezing a mouse, it was very bizarre.
“But even more bizarre was when the recording was over and we turned off the tape recorder, and everybody sat there quietly.
“Then Louise suddenly stood up and clapped her hands and announced: ‘Whose for apple pie and ice-cream?’ It was just bizarre."
“She didn’t say any more about it and continued insisting, right up to his execution, that her boy could never have done those things.

Bundy has so many similarities to BRE's progression from the geeky kid that didn't fit in, to Peeping Tom/Ladies underwear fondler to Rapist, to (accused) killer?

Ted Bundy's mum's odd reaction when she was played chilling interview tapes

EXCLUSIVE: Journalist Stephen Michaud spent six months interviewing the serial killer, famously duping him into revealing details of his own crimes which were key to his conviction

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Deva]

I agree, you can't discount or exclude young male victims. After all, I don't feel any bloke smashing himself with home made dildos whilst wearing panties is 100% straight.

Further sexual violence may be the interest rather than women, attested to by being a cuckold and not performing in an intimate setting. So if it's sexual violence that gets a rise, does it need be a women or a man. He also chose petite women, as he could over power them and a boy would be no different in the dominance factor.

I don't know enough about the GR crime to say whether there are similarities.

This has got me thinking on a few things, the Karrakatta victim was raped twice and one time anally, i wonder if back in the day seeing no DNA was found on JR and CG ( a lot to do with decomposition too) if this area was tested as well? Not being up with this stuff, is it tested regardless?
Maybe dressing up like he does, he does have gay tendencies as well?

 

[Likeamystery]

Double time makes it all worth going in tired or sick.

Management were probably sick and tired of hearing him whinge that he had no money, so gave him some extra work.

Thinking back to being in my twenties sleep wasn't always a priority as long as I managed to get a couple of early nights over the following days. It's only alcohol which is problematic and the affects can last for days afterwards, and worse as we get older. As the accused didn't drink, he probably felt fine.

In addition: Yes LAM thanks to you we've got an appropriate nickname (VC = Vile Creature).

No one commented on my Avatar. I thought it looks so funny .
The Wonder Woman one was so unlike me (LOL).