Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

Is Bradley Edwards the Mystery Man in the CCTV?

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Management were probably sick and tired of hearing him whinge that he had no money, so gave him some extra work.

Thinking back to being in my twenties sleep wasn't always a priority as long as I managed to get a couple of early nights over the following days. It's only alcohol which is problematic and the affects can last for days afterwards, and worse as we get older. As the accused didn't drink, he probably felt fine.

In addition: Yes LAM thanks to you we've got an appropriate nickname (VC = Vile Creature).

No one commented on my Avatar. I thought it looks so funny 🤣 .
The Wonder Woman one was so unlike me (LOL).
Oh i was going to comment LAM about the smoking of the Peace Pipe isn't it? 😉 That's one Groovy Granny!
Oh and glad the VC stuck, think he's well and truly earned that title!
 
I haven't been able to find out anything about Peter Butt other than what's on the Crime Stoppers website. He was thirty in 1988.

I searched for anything but the last name "butt" delivered very entertaining links
 

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Regarding Julie Cutler, I remembered she had a break in at her flat prior to going missing. She was also almost run off the road, an incident she reported to WAPOL and her father. The break in intrigues me, as i said before, BRE having access to private information via his job, like addresses. I wonder if any of Julie's underwear was stolen, this might not have even been noticed at the time? Julie was another Iona girl as well. Would be interesting to know if there are any other rape victims at the time of CSK (or earlier) who had and reported a break in at their homes prior to the rape? Just thinking perhaps one of BRE's MO when younger might have been chatting to women at their workplace, in a pub, just general chat, name, phone number if possible, what school did you go to, then getting all info he could from his job, stalking them, breaking in and stealing underwear, then following and raping them, graduating eventually to opportunistic blitzing/murder?
I wonder if any of the undies BRE had "adapted" that WAPOL found in his Kewdale house were from his victims?

I know this is not a media site, but it does have information from news reports.

 
I wonder if any of Julie's underwear was stolen

Her uniform and stockings were taken although for some reason left behind in a kebab shop and her theatrical makeup case was never found. They're things BRE might have been interested in.
 

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Regarding Julie Cutler, I remembered she had a break in at her flat prior to going missing. She was also almost run off the road, an incident she reported to WAPOL and her father. The break in intrigues me, as i said before, BRE having access to private information via his job, like addresses. I wonder if any of Julie's underwear was stolen, this might not have even been noticed at the time? Julie was another Iona girl as well. Would be interesting to know if there are any other rape victims at the time of CSK (or earlier) who had and reported a break in at their homes prior to the rape? Just thinking perhaps one of BRE's MO when younger might have been chatting to women at their workplace, in a pub, just general chat, name, phone number if possible, what school did you go to, then getting all info he could from his job, stalking them, breaking in and stealing underwear, then following and raping them, graduating eventually to opportunistic blitzing/murder?
I wonder if any of the undies BRE had "adapted" that WAPOL found in his Kewdale house were from his victims?

I know this is not a media site, but it does have information from news reports.

Lorrin Whitehead from Bannockburn Victoria also went missing in Feb 2013. Lorrin was originally from Cottesloe and had attended Iona College in WA.
I've read beforehand that prior to going missing her house was broken into. She had recently changed back to her maiden name.

 
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Is it possible for a young man to drive to all these places in one morning. Below is a proposed schedule for Sat 27 Jan 1996

2am (approx.) SS last seen waiting for taxi in Claremont
2.30-3am - Mosman park (next suburb to Claremont)
3am-4am - Mosman Park to Darlington (42kms)
4am-5am - Darlington to Huntingdale (30.7kms)
5am-7am - Shower and breakfast
7.20am - arrived at the Cook's house in Thornlie (next suburb to Huntingdale)
7.40am - Huntingdale to Dumas House West Perth (Sat morning, no peak hour traffic - 25kms)
8/8.10am- arrived for work at Dumas House West Perth (supervisor may have permitted ten minutes for being late)

Your travel times are a bit conservative for the predawn bits. He'd have been able to average close on 60 km/h by driving on district distributor or higher class roads with lights set for through traffic, so closer to 45 minutes Mosman Park to Darlington, and 35 minutes Darlington to Huntingdale.

Huntingdale to Dumas house would be under 50 km/h - there is traffic from shop staff as well as saturday morning shift workers, so perhaps 35 - 40 minutes. The optimal route then would be Warton Rd, Spencer Rd, Nicholson Rd, Albany highway, Shepparton Rd, Foreshore, and weave up to Dumas via Mounts Bay Rd and spring st.

Anyway, plenty of time for a Darlington drop.
 

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Your travel times are a bit conservative for the predawn bits. He'd have been able to average close on 60 km/h by driving on district distributor or higher class roads with lights set for through traffic, so closer to 45 minutes Mosman Park to Darlington, and 35 minutes Darlington to Huntingdale.

Huntingdale to Dumas house would be under 50 km/h - there is traffic from shop staff as well as saturday morning shift workers, so perhaps 35 - 40 minutes. The optimal route then would be Warton Rd, Spencer Rd, Nicholson Rd, Albany highway, Shepparton Rd, Foreshore, and weave up to Dumas via Mounts Bay Rd and spring st.

Anyway, plenty of time for a Darlington drop.
I’ve amended the schedule as per your input, and of course darkness was needed for the abduction/killing. There was ample time to get to Darlington and then back to Huntingdale in time for work. Proposed schedule for Sat 27 Jan 1996

2am (approx.) SS last seen waiting for taxi in Claremont
2.30am-3am - Mosman park (next suburb to Claremont)
3am-3.45am - Mosman Park to Darlington (42kms) 45mins
4am - Regional Forest near Darlington (1.5hrs before sunrise)

5.30am – Sunrise (Darlington residents start to waken)
5.30am-6.05am - Darlington to Huntingdale (30.7kms)35mins
6.10am-7am - Shower and breakfast

7.20am - arrived at the Cook's house in Thornlie (next suburb to Huntingdale)
7.20am–7.40am Worked on air-conditioner
7.40am - Left Thornlie for Dumas House West Perth 25kms 35/40mins - Sat morning, no peak hour traffic - Warton Rd, Spencer Rd, Nicholson Rd, Albany Hwy, Shepparton Rd, Foreshore, Mounts Bay Rd then Spring St

8/8.10am- arrive for work at Dumas House West Perth (supervisor may have permitted ten minutes for being late)

9.45pm Finished work at Dumas House (that’s such a long….. day, but as I say he didn’t have to bullock, just be there).

Sunday 28 1996 – time to sleep all day
 

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I know we've talked about this creep before, but wanted to show how the burglary aspect (of lingerie) was also a huge part of the MO for the preparation to rape, and eventually torture and murder for this perpetrator. Perhaps it could have also been for BRE in earlier days? Wonder if BRE has any "selfies" like these? 😖
 
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I know we've talked about this creep before, but wanted to show how the burglary aspect (of lingerie) was also a huge part of the MO for the preparation to rape, and eventually torture and murder for this perpetrator. Perhaps it could have also been for BRE in earlier days? Wonder if BRE has any "selfies" like these? 😖


Thank goodness for digital cameras. Those photos would have been quite embarrassing to pick up from the chemist ;)
 
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what would be the motive for gerard ross?
Perhaps at the time BRE was irate with his younger brother (TE). The prosecution alleges BRE suffers from having displaced feelings.

GRs older brother went past ahead of him, the brother was about two years older. Same age difference as BRE and TE.

Perhaps there was a street telecommunications break down in Kent St, Rockingham which was being repaired at the time.
 
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Perhaps at the time BRE was irate with his younger brother (TE). The prosecution alleges BRE suffers from having displaced feelings.

GRs older brother went past ahead of him, the brother was about two years older. Same age difference as BRE and TE.

Perhaps there was a street telecommunications break down in Kent St, Rockingham which was being repaired at the time.

I don't think BRE as a linesman as such. Or at least not later. He seems to have specialised in PBX and office phones. He even did a CISCO router course and there is a small but non-zero probability he installed a CISCO router for my company in 1995 or 1996
 

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Has anyone considered Mundy Regional Park for SS? Geographically, It’s not far from Claremont. And on Connor Road, MRP in Google Earthquake, It looks pretty secluded. Would be even more at 3am.
Mundy Reg Park is an area of bushland between Forrestfield and Kalamunda. Forrestfield is considered foothills and Kalamunda a suburb within the Darling Range, so MRP is on the side of a hill and parts incline considerably. From memory, there aren't any fences surrounding any parts of the bushland. At the top is Lesmurdie Falls, which I'm aware has a sheer drop at certain points. During the school holidays I'll go for a drive there and have a look at the area. See which points of the bush would provide enough seclusion (noise wise) and enough distance from housing, an area much like Pipidinny Rd and Woolcoot Rd vicinities. I wonder if it's possible SS was shoved from the side of the hill into a dense area, that might explain why her body hasn't been located.
For those interested please have a look on the online maps and recommend areas for me to look. Many thanks in advance.
 
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Mundy Reg Park is an area of bushland between Forrestfield and Kalamunda. Forrestfield is considered foothills and Kalamunda a suburb within the Darling Range, so MRP is on the side of a hill and parts incline considerably. From memory, there aren't any fences surrounding any parts of the bushland. At the top is Lesmurdie Falls, which I'm aware has a sheer drop at certain points. During the school holidays I'll go for a drive there and have a look at the area. See which points of the bush would provide enough seclusion (noise wise) and enough distance from housing, an area much like Pipidinny Rd and Woolcoot Rd vicinities. I wonder if it's possible SS was shoved from the side of the hill into a dense area, that might explain why her body hasn't been located.
For those interested please have a look on the online maps and recommend areas for me to look. Many thanks in advance.

Not the falls and park as such. You'd need to have a dump site within 20m of a road and hundreds of metres from houses. There doesn't seem to be many locations in that category

I have thought the bush south of Welspool Rd and especially Gilchrist and Mabel Rds could be interesting. There was some urban dumping there when I went through a couple of years ago. That would match in with Pippidinny Rd.

Edit: there is a lookout beside Welshpool Rd and above Crystal Brook Rd. No houses, but it's pretty well frequented. It may still be worth a mosey? And even off Crystal Brook Rd itself?
 
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Mundy Reg Park is an area of bushland between Forrestfield and Kalamunda. Forrestfield is considered foothills and Kalamunda a suburb within the Darling Range, so MRP is on the side of a hill and parts incline considerably. From memory, there aren't any fences surrounding any parts of the bushland. At the top is Lesmurdie Falls, which I'm aware has a sheer drop at certain points. During the school holidays I'll go for a drive there and have a look at the area. See which points of the bush would provide enough seclusion (noise wise) and enough distance from housing, an area much like Pipidinny Rd and Woolcoot Rd vicinities. I wonder if it's possible SS was shoved from the side of the hill into a dense area, that might explain why her body hasn't been located.
For those interested please have a look on the online maps and recommend areas for me to look. Many thanks in advance.
Thanks LAM.
Jezza, How about Connor Rd?
 
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Thanks LAM.
Jezza, How about Connor Rd?

For the bits away from houses it's a fenced off gated track. It may even be 4WD only - if you can get past the gate.
It will also be used by bush-walkers so fairly easy to spot a body in the first few weeks.

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Not the falls and park as such. You'd need to have a dump site within 20m of a road and hundreds of metres from houses. There doesn't seem to be many locations in that category

I have thought the bush south of Welspool Rd and especially Gilchrist and Mabel Rds could be interesting. There was some urban dumping there when I went through a couple of years ago. That would match in with Pippidinny Rd.

Edit: there is a lookout beside Welshpool Rd and above Crystal Brook Rd. No houses, but it's pretty well frequented. It may still be worth a mosey? And even off Crystal Brook Rd itself?
I'll have a look at those areas. Also, with regard to Crystal Brook Rd, a couple of years ago I took the grandkids for a walk along the path in the bush which runs parallel with Crystal Brook Rd, and we found the remnants of an old building on the hill (east side). After speaking to my dad, who was a local back in the 1950s he recalls there being a store on CBR. Thought that was interesting.

TDK I'll check the Connor Rd part too. Beforehand I'll do some map research.

Just think, if SSs sunflower key chain is ever located they'll know if it's hers - the key might still unlock the South Perth Unit's front door.
 

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I know we've talked about this creep before, but wanted to show how the burglary aspect (of lingerie) was also a huge part of the MO for the preparation to rape, and eventually torture and murder for this perpetrator. Perhaps it could have also been for BRE in earlier days? Wonder if BRE has any "selfies" like these? 😖

I've read and watched documentaries about this creep before. It does remind me of BRE. What was the story told on here, by a Huntingdale local, regarding a camera film being developed and it contained a photo of a man's genitilia.

During the 1990s BRE's been accused of breaking into the Huntingdale houses and rifling through the drawers at night, whilst women were in bed. Back then, it might have been easier to break in at night, especially as people had security alarms which were probably armed during the day. Back then, I don't think security alarms were sophisticated enough to isolate different regions.

Imagine waking up with someone in the bedroom, they probably thought he was a burglar. How terrifying!
 
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I'll have a look at those areas. Also, with regard to Crystal Brook Rd, a couple of years ago I took the grandkids for a walk along the path in the bush which runs parallel with Crystal Brook Rd, and we found the remnants of an old building on the hill (east side). After speaking to my dad, who was a local back in the 1950s he recalls there being a store on CBR. Thought that was interesting.

TDK I'll check the Connor Rd part too. Beforehand I'll do some map research.

Just think, if SSs sunflower key chain is ever located they'll know if it's hers - the key might still unlock the South Perth Unit's front door.

Horace Rd is more prospective than most. It's isolated, dark and a long way from any houses. That's where I saw the rubbish dumping, vehicle bits etc.
There are a number of minor roads off Welshpool Rd including Moffet Rd that extends into a 2WD navigable bush road going nowhere.

Edit: If BRE was heading back to Huntingdale from Mosman Park, it's incredibly easy to take a detour off Albany Highway and simply drive up Welshpool Rd and find a secluded side road on the scarp. That would fit in with the other two dump sites.
 
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Horace Rd is more prospective than most. It's isolated, dark and a long way from any houses. That's where I saw the rubbish dumping, vehicle bits etc.
There are a number of minor roads off Welshpool Rd including Moffet Rd that extends into a 2WD navigable bush road going nowhere.

Edit: If BRE was heading back to Huntingdale from Mosman Park, it's incredibly easy to take a detour off Albany Highway and simply drive up Welshpool Rd and find a secluded side road on the scarp. That would fit in with the other two dump sites.
Thanks Jezza, I thought maybe going back 25-30 years ago it would be quieter and less developed. Interesting area tho. Sorry for bad memory, But Welshpool rd, where’s that?
 

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Thanks Jezza, I thought maybe going back 25-30 years ago it would be quieter and less developed. Interesting area tho. Sorry for bad memory, But Welshpool rd, where’s that?
Welshpool Rd is a main arterial route spanning from the suburb Welshpool to Lesmurdie and near Carmel within the Darling Ranges - Perth's outer eastern suburbs. Welshpool is reasonably close to Perth. Part of the WR extends up what's known as Lesmurdie Hill.
 
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Welshpool Rd is a main arterial route spanning from the suburb Welshpool to Lesmurdie and near Carmel within the Darling Ranges - Perth's outer eastern suburbs. Welshpool is reasonably close to Perth. Part of the WR extends up what's known as Lesmurdie Hill.

I used to work on Welshpool road many many moons ago.

All I remember is that it was pretty desolate and industrial along the stretch I used to go for walkies at lunchtime in the soaring heat of summer to stretch my legs.
 
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