Daniher shows how much your value decreases when your not contracted. If Oliver leaves next year Melbourne would get less in a trade than this year.
Not saying Oliver will leave or wants to leave.
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Not saying Oliver will leave or wants to leave.
I may be a 'nuff' but I can spell 'multiple'.
Yes, I do undersell opposition players, its better than dramatically overselling our own players which seems to be a speciality on the Carlton board these days.
Let's see what happens in trade week, if Oliver does end up moving clubs we can review what the price was then. Till that eventuates, it's all speculation and chest-beating.
Sorry 2x first and he was also out of contract. You understand contracts, yes?
Treloar costed pick 6 + a future first and he was out of contract without a CV like olivers.
You have the biggest blue-eyed goggles on I perhaps have ever seen. We're not getting Oliver for 2x mid-firsts, simple.
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i think you need to check the definition of multiple there, squirt.
explain yourself. now.
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It's pretty simple, we won't be giving you Oliver if that's the case. It'll take more than a fair market rate to get Oliver out of Melbourne, if you want him you have to blow us away, otherwise you risk waiting until next off season where he may of changed his mind and signed a deal with us like Papley did. It's not like to two firsts I proposed were top 5 picks as well, that's pick 11 (which will become about 15) and probably a pick between 10-18 next year if you get Oliver in.
I have already explained myself several times but I will have a second read over the thread and the posts just for you.
Whilst I'm doing that, you go and check your Tim Kelly trade deal facts.
I understand where you are coming from but if, and it is a rather large if, all of the rumour-mongering is true, that Oliver really wants to get out of the Dees, then that has to put a different perspective on the argument.
Those two firsts you are proposing are exactly what I was thinking, it's the addition of a player that I can't get my head around. I can't see the Blues parting with one of their top-line/highly rated youngsters like SPS, it would be more like one of the B-Graders in the Cuningham mould if that were to happen.
Trade week will have some serious ebbs & flows this year, that's for sure.
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Something has to give at Melbourne at the end of 2021. Reckon either Goodwin or Oliver goes (hopefully the former for Dees fans)
Hopefully Adem Yze (a future senior coach in the making from all reports) can help ease some of the current tension at Melbourne, i get feeling Goodwin is not exactly good at the man management side of things.
Would obviously love Oliver at Carlton, have no idea how they'll get that deal completed though while also bringing in Saad and Williams.
You'd think two first rounders would be the starting point for negotiation, but I don't think Melbourne would be too keen on draft picks with where they're at.
You'd think two first rounders would be the starting point for negotiation, but I don't think Melbourne would be too keen on draft picks with where they're at.
You're misrepresenting both those trades.
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Nope. Saad comes first.
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Interesting. As Oliver would have a significant impact compared to Saad in my opinion. Saad is a very good player. But he’s a back flanker at the end of the day.
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Can understand that and agree. However Saad publicly declared us knowing it may be a difficult trade. You have to repay, you cant ignore it just because something nicer comes along
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A couple of things, Saad is uncontracted and has publicly nominated us, we're obliged to get him. Oliver will be much more difficult to obtain.
Also, while Oliver is obviously a much better and more valuable player, Saad fills relatively a bigger need for us, adding linebreaking pace to our defence, which is the one quality it's missing.
It would be great for us to add Oliver, but it's unlikely to happen.
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Personally, I think ITK postings is bs. I'd like to see an actual breakdown of things these people have said and work out how accurate some of it has been.
That aside... I think Oliver is a belter and we would vigorously welcome him at Carlton. I am erring on the side of "too hard" that it gets done though, on the chance that he does want out. If he isn't Melbourne's best mid, he's certainly number 2 after Petracca's rise and is contracted. In terms of getting the deal done, I'm not sure how that happens...
If we look at the Shiel trade for instance, you probably can't offer anymore than that if you are Carlton otherwise you are getting into Judd and Neale territory. Oliver is not at their level. He is younger than Shiel and maybe slightly less accomplished at this stage, but I think that's probably the baseline, all things considered. Does that satisfy Melbourne? I don't think so. They have no real need for draft picks at this stage, especially when you are talking about one of their prime movers and where they see themselves list wise. So how does it get done?
Carlton will not involve a player like Harry McKay, because that is nose, face, spite stuff. All of our players that they would even entertain for Oliver IMO would rightfully be off limits. Can't see it.
That aside... I think Oliver is a belter and we would vigorously welcome him at Carlton. I am erring on the side of "too hard" that it gets done though, on the chance that he does want out. If he isn't Melbourne's best mid, he's certainly number 2 after Petracca's rise and is contracted. In terms of getting the deal done, I'm not sure how that happens...
If we look at the Shiel trade for instance, you probably can't offer anymore than that if you are Carlton otherwise you are getting into Judd and Neale territory. Oliver is not at their level. He is younger than Shiel and maybe slightly less accomplished at this stage, but I think that's probably the baseline, all things considered. Does that satisfy Melbourne? I don't think so. They have no real need for draft picks at this stage, especially when you are talking about one of their prime movers and where they see themselves list wise. So how does it get done?
Carlton will not involve a player like Harry McKay, because that is nose, face, spite stuff. All of our players that they would even entertain for Oliver IMO would rightfully be off limits. Can't see it.
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Oliver’s elbows too pointy, third-rounder at best.
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It's not for me to go through thousands of posts from someone to validate what they are saying. If posters want to claim their ITKs are spot on and use it as evidence, it's incumbent on them to do that. I'm the one saying a lot of this ITK stuff is bs. Then there is the potential for these posters to delete their posts after the fact if they have pulled the wrong lever...
Nobody needs to prove anything, you can choose to believe or not.
But reputations are earned. And it's not too hard to work out which ones are bullshit, and which are reliable.
