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Like a few other teams it was back to reality today.

The team is stiil being rebuilt, it's not finished yet.

Still we have had 5 really good games, before we got a bad one.

While we we hoping for a win, we were really underrating the Chargers, they have only been beaten by the Rams and the Chiefs so far.
 
Traded Hyde for a 5th round pick.

Johnson under used admittedly but they have hardly given Chubb the ball, While he has done well, does it mean he can do it 20 twenty times a game ?

Won a couple of games so is it back to tanking for next year's draft picks ?
 

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Bigelow said:
Won a couple of games so is it back to tanking for next year's draft picks ?
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Could argue the opposite. Chubb and Duke are play makers, having them on the field more makes the struggling offense more dangerous. Probably could have kept Hyde on the bench just in case, but oh well.
 
We are getting good value from the Browns this year.

Chubb seemed to do alright.
Was there as little action for Johnson as the stats showed .?

Liking how Baker plays for first year player.
 
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I would rather have Todd than Hue.

Of the 219 coaches in NFL history, Hue is ranked 218th. If anything he will only go lower.
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Hue will go at the end of the year. But Todd has arguably made the offense worse since taking over. The only time it looks good is when we’re down by enough that Baker gets to just create and sling it. Easier to fire a coordinator mid season, especially when there’s no obvious interim head coach ready.

Duke is having his worst year. The front office had to trade Hyde simply to get him and the far more dynamic Chubb on the field. He can’t get anything out of Njoku and DeValve. Landry isn’t the sure thing he was at Miami. We have five tight ends on the roster, yet not one ever gets positioned on the left side to help out the undrafted rookie tackle.

And that’s not even getting into some of the play calling on offense.

Things are pretty grim when Hue stepping in could actually help.
 

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Is Duke actually on the field ?
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Hasn’t had more than 6 touches in a game this year. On the field for 35 snaps last week, for 1 carry and 4 targets. Did admittedly look a bit banged up this morning. But still...
 
Browns promoted RBs coach Freddie Kitchens to offensive coordinator.

An Alabama quarterback in the '90s, Kitchens has been an NFL assistant since 2006. He got his first job from Bill Parcells in Dallas. Kitchens spent 2007-17 in Arizona, rising from TEs coach to QBs coach under Bruce Arians. He switched to RBs coach in 2017 so Byron Leftwich could coach QBs. Unlike senior offensive assistant Al Saunders or QBs coach Ken Zampese, Kitchens at least gets the job with unknown upside. If Kitchens runs an Arians-like system, it would be good news for Baker Mayfield in fantasy.


Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter
 
So ends another cycle in the history of the Browns, the Sashi and Hue era is over.

GG has given us the low down on Hue after his time with the Raiders and he has been correct on just about every point.

So it seems that Haslam listened to Dorsey, and Dorsey has continued not to tolerate BS, as he had shown with Gordon, Coleman and Kendrick.

With games against the Chiefs and the Falcons coming up, at least the the Browns will be in the news with speculation over who will be the new coach.

Also in the game against the Chiefs we will be able to assess the progress of their starting LG Cameron Erving.
 

Have spoken with AmericanCrow at times and the genuine hate for Pittsburgh (Pittspuke to AC) comes solidly through. I can only liken it at times to the AFC and Port Adelaide in the AFL.

Do the Browns as an organisation prefer a 3-36 record until you lose to Pittsburgh twice?
 

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Chris25 said:
Hasn’t had more than 6 touches in a game this year. On the field for 35 snaps last week, for 1 carry and 4 targets. Did admittedly look a bit banged up this morning. But still...
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Come on mate you need to throw us a few more bones than just this !

What was the mood of the Browns fans like ?
 
Jimmy Haslam: Browns are in a better place today than we were yesterday
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 29, 2018, 4:40 PM EDT
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Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said today’s decision to fire head coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley is the best move for his franchise moving forward.

“We did what we thought was best for the organization. I think we put the organization in a better place today than it was yesterday,” Haslam said.

Haslam seemed to acknowledge that the reported power struggle between Jackson and Haley was a problem, saying, “We’re not going to put up with internal discord.”

Browns G.M. John Dorsey offered similar thoughts on the decision to move on from Jackson and Haley.

“What we’re trying to do is create the best environment moving forward, not only for the players but for the coaching staff,” Dorsey said.

Haslam did defend the decision to bring Jackson back this season, rather than firing him at the same time he fired former G.M. Sashi Brown.

“Hue was put in a pretty difficult situation his first two years with the talent we had. We thought he deserved another chance and unfortunately it didn’t work out the way we hoped it would,” Haslam said.

Haslam also said firing people is always a difficult decision.

“I personally spent a tremendous amount of time with Hue Jackson,” Haslam said. “This was not an easy decision. I know Todd a little less well because he hasn’t been here as long but Todd moved his family here so that was not an easy decision either.”

That’s a difficult decision that Haslam has made a lot during his tenure as the Browns’ owner. He hopes the next coach he hires won’t have to be fired as quickly as so many of the previous coaches he’s hired.
 
Putting Hue Jackson’s coaching career in perspective
Posted by Mike Florio on October 30, 2018, 6:18 AM EDT

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One of the great challenges for humans is to figure out what they’re good at and do it, and to figure out what they’re not good at and not do it. Twice-fired NFL coach Hue Jackson, like former NFL coaches Norv Turner and Wade Phillips, is very good at being an NFL assistant coach, and not nearly as good at being an NFL head coach.

While Jackson may still aspire to be an NFL head coach after an abysmal career record of 11-44-1, punctuated by a 3-36-1 disaster in Cleveland, no NFL owner should ever again fall under the spell of Hue’s performance as an assistant coach (which surely will be very good) coupled with the best efforts of his friend(s) in the media to get him a third bite at the NFL apple (which surely will be attempted).

So lets assume that the book can be closed on Hue Jackson’s time as an NFL head coach. Here’s an eye-opening stats from ESPN, shared by Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times on Twitter: To match Jackson’s .205 career winning percentage, Patriots (and once-upon-a-time Browns) coach Bill Belichick would have to lose a lot of games. Specifically, Belichick would have to lose 867 straight games. Putting it another way, that’s more than 54 straight years of 0-16.

OK, so Belichick may not be the fairest example. So we ran the numbers with a coach far closer to Hue than Belichick in career achievements: Former Colts coach Chuck Pagano. Based on a career winning percentage of .549 (56-46) in 102 career games, Pagano would only have lose to 171 straight games to match Jackson. That’s nearly ten-and-a-half consecutive winless seasons.

So, yes, Hue Jackson has proven that he’s not suited to be an NFL head coach. Maybe, if he’s lucky, he won’t get a chance to keep proving it.
 
Don't know much about Hue Jackson apart from what GG has said.

But when Dorsey came in and made the statement that the Browns needed some Real football players,it was obvious that Jackson "sold out' the players, it was their fault, it confirmed what GG had said about Jackson not taking responsibility for the team.

He knew the situation of the team he signed on, it was a complete rebuild of a team with young,inexperienced players.
He would have gotten respect if the team had shown improvement, even without winning.

Best thing I have read today

"Penalties for Bountygate still being applied. Greg Williams has to to coach the Browns"
 
Yeah Jackson is always theowing others under the bus. How he saved himself from the sashi era and claimed he could do better if he had a football gm to get jim players. So dorsey did but then he trued to blame haley to continue saving himself. Haslam/Dorsey did rhe right thing to end it now while the season is still alive.
 

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