Climate Change Arguing

[Kwality]

It's pretty disgusting. I'm not sure how Albanese can roll over like that and reward the coal bastards.
He knew the Libs wouldn't complain, pragmatic yet criminal.

In the absence of any plan to 'keep the lights on', the east coast can expect all generators to look after themselves, be it those voting them in OR those expecting a return on their investment (including super funds pumping funding into renewables, they're cheaper ).

 

[kranky al]

The corporates supplying demand ? Are those wanting power for their families somehow less entitled than others ?

Virtuous of you Al. Is it simple nominating the unworthy/the entitled.

I said corporates doing the wrong thing.

Eg: companies deliberately choosing profits over lives. They have a product that kills people - they know it, they continue to sell it until the lawsuits cost more than what they make from the product.

Right now they get away with that.

I think maybe,

Just maybe……..

That deserves at least a 6 month jail sentence.

You know, like a girl who disrupts traffic for 15 minutes.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Sounds like a Europe is quite lovely this year.

CC silver lining?

 

[ParapMarkets]

This is a quick chat with researcher Whitney Webb, it’s well worth a listen (less than 2 minutes). She mentions that Just Stop Oil is funded by the Rockefeller and Getty families.

 

[Kwality]

This is a quick chat with researcher Whitney Webb, it’s well worth a listen (less than 2 minutes). She mentions that Just Stop Oil is funded by the Rockefeller and Getty families.

So what has YOUR research found?

 

[ParapMarkets]

So what has YOUR research found?

What has YOUR research found?

My major concern is that we have yet another situation where financial interests dictate science. It’s not the corporations or even the military industrial complex (with their extremely destructive wars) that create the problems, it’s all the fault of us plebs. I am highly sceptical when families like the Getty’s and Rockefeller’s, two families that have made ridiculous amounts of money off oil, are financially supporting a movement that is limiting oil.

 

[Kwality]

What has YOUR research found?

My major concern is that we have yet another situation where financial interests dictate science. It’s not the corporations or even the military industrial complex (with their extremely destructive wars) that create the problems, it’s all the fault of us plebs. I am highly sceptical when families like the Getty’s and Rockefeller’s, two families that have made ridiculous amounts of money off oil, are financially supporting a movement that is limiting oil.

Mate, you ran the post & now you are admitting you havent even tried to see if its got an iota of truth in it.
A pleb to be blamed you reckon, lift your game, is it true or not ?

 

[Del203211]

 

[Mofra]

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If they are foreign owned by companies who are domiciled in countries with an active FTA with Australia, the compensation may be required under the terms of the FTA (those with ISDS mechanisms).

It's shit and insidious but there have been international precedents (e.g. with plain packaging tobacco laws).

 

[ParapMarkets]

Mate, you ran the post & now you are admitting you havent even tried to see if its got an iota of truth in it.
A pleb to be blamed you reckon, lift your game, is it true or not ?

It really would only take you less than a minute to find out that the Getty family are involved. Yes, I did look into what she has said before I posted. Rather than dismissing a highly regarded researcher because you don't like the message, maybe you can do some research for yourself.

Take your own advice and lift your game. Try to be a better human being

 

[Kwality]

It really would only take you less than a minute to find out that the Getty family are involved. Yes, I did look into what she has said before I posted. Rather than dismissing a highly regarded researcher because you don't like the message, maybe you can do some research for yourself.

Take your own advice and lift your game. Try to be a better human being

Try to be a better human being.
Pardon my mirth, your 'my way or the highway'....

 

[Del203211]

Australia welcomes reports of China interest in its coal

Australia's treasurer on Friday welcomed reports that China may soon resume buying the country's coal after two years of effective trade bans, but called for a relaxation of import restrictions that have affected several industries.

www.reuters.com

 

[Kwality]

Australia welcomes reports of China interest in its coal

Australia's treasurer on Friday welcomed reports that China may soon resume buying the country's coal after two years of effective trade bans, but called for a relaxation of import restrictions that have affected several industries.

www.reuters.com

Its the real world in action. Deniers are dreaming, what we do is not relevant to the big picture.

 

[Del203211]

9 mins of pure joy.

 

[Greta Thunberg]

9 mins of pure joy.

This is what happens when you don't eat your vegetables

 

[Carringbush2010]

9 mins of pure joy.

This is what happens when you don't eat your vegetables

I've seen this posted on more than one thread.

It is interesting the differing shall we say evaluations of what was said in this video.

This guy is very blunt in what he says, none the less some very salient points.

• *Screaming at the world by throwing soup at paintings achieves zero, one could confidently argue would be even counterproductive.
• Without actually spelling it out, we don't have the technology to scale to make the changes that we need. Blunt but reality none the less.
• People regardless of their status will always put their own before the planet. Colour me surprised on that one, who would've thought.
• *Working to solutions to the problems instead of being angry at the world in the hope of attention. Attention is already abound and in abundance plenty, wasting soup or spray painting woodside logos on paintings is counter productive - that is not up for debate when you think about it.

So throwing a line like 'this is what happens when ya don't eat ya veg' is an immediate discredit, or counter productivity if you will.

I'll concede that the blunt delivery of this blokes sermon does not help, in fact is probably counter productive or even somewhat discrediting to his shall we say 'argument'.

Regardless, the points remain, in a nutshell, unless you can get the whole 8.5 billion people to buy in on a strategy to combat climate change (which arguably isn't even available yet) then the current methods of attention grabbing is futile because

a) The attention is already there, unless one lives on mars.

b) The solution/s is/are not available yet, and yelling at clouds willing for change is, well, futile.

 

[Del203211]

I've seen this posted on more than one thread.

It is interesting the differing shall we say evaluations of what was said in this video.

This guy is very blunt in what he says, none the less some very salient points.

• *Screaming at the world by throwing soup at paintings achieves zero, one could confidently argue would be even counterproductive.
• Without actually spelling it out, we don't have the technology to scale to make the changes that we need. Blunt but reality none the less.
• People regardless of their status will always put their own before the planet. Colour me surprised on that one, who would've thought.
• *Working to solutions to the problems instead of being angry at the world in the hope of attention. Attention is already abound and in abundance plenty, wasting soup or spray painting woodside logos on paintings is counter productive - that is not up for debate when you think about it.

So throwing a line like 'this is what happens when ya don't eat ya veg' is an immediate discredit, or counter productivity if you will.

I'll concede that the blunt delivery of this blokes sermon does not help, in fact is probably counter productive or even somewhat discrediting to his shall we say 'argument'.

Regardless, the points remain, in a nutshell, unless you can get the whole 8.5 billion people to buy in on a strategy to combat climate change (which arguably isn't even available yet) then the current methods of attention grabbing is futile because

a) The attention is already there, unless one lives on mars.

b) The solution/s is/are not available yet, and yelling at clouds willing for change is, well, futile.

Point two the big one. But we’ll get there, with time and learnings.

 

[kranky al]

Its the real world in action. Deniers are dreaming, what we do is not relevant to the big picture.

Probably shouldnt have bothered contributing to ww2 either.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Point two the big one. But we’ll get there, with time and learnings.

Well, I'll be very blunt in what I'm going to say here.

'We'll get there', I will concede that human kind is very very adaptable to its ever changing environment, or more accurately has the capacity to adapt.(read, do very good for all parties concerned)

And there in lies the grate from the Greta and extinction rebellion types.

We as a race (the human race) are not acting 'urgently' enough, we don't act to capacity to combat climate change. Hence the soup throwing and woodside graffiti's.

That sentiment is not up for debate, we're as a human race as a whole 'dragging our feet' - so I totes utterly agree with the fury.

Again, as old mate in the vid says (without spelling it out), self interest first, everyone second, i:e the planet comes second before me and my tribe do.

As old mate says, that is not some sort of 'right wing' * everyone else', it's a looking after ones own interest, that's what humans and pretty much every species on the planet does.

EDIT: 'We' is a general observation, of course I'm certain some humans more than other will be doing their upmost to combat climate change.

 

[Del203211]

Well, I'll be very blunt in what I'm going to say here.

'We'll get there', I will concede that human kind is very very adaptable to its ever changing environment, or more accurately has the capacity to adapt.(read, do very good for all parties concerned)

And there in lies the grate from the Greta and extinction rebellion types.

We as a race (the human race) are not acting 'urgently' enough, we don't act to capacity to combat climate change. Hence the soup throwing and woodside graffiti's.

That sentiment is not up for debate, we're as a human race as a whole 'dragging our feet' - so I totes utterly agree with the fury.

Again, as old mate in the vid says (without spelling it out), self interest first, everyone second, i:e the planet comes second before me and my tribe do.

As old mate says, that is not some sort of 'right wing' * everyone else', it's a looking after ones own interest, that's what humans and pretty much every species on the planet does.

EDIT: 'We' is a general observation, of course I'm certain some humans more than other will be doing their upmost to combat climate change.

Agreed.

Although I’m off Greta after her little theatre session the other day. Between that and the Woodside graffiti, it’s seriously grinding my gears. It’s doing NO favours for anyone.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Agreed.

Although I’m off Greta after her little theatre session the other day. Between that and the Woodside graffiti, it’s seriously grinding my gears. It’s doing NO favours for anyone.

Totes understand your grind, but you gotta (and gonna assume you do) understand Grets grate as well.

What we have, if I may view from an impartial view, is an impasse.

Grets says 'do sumthin about it'

Gov / non protestors say 'stop yelling and give a solution'

And no one is comin up with a solution, most likely coz there isn't / are not solutions - yet. (we don't honestly know)

And coz we don't honestly know that gives the angry cause to be angry, and fair enough! Could you honestly look at the world and say 'yep we're doin everythin we can'? fk no!

And that is where the soup / no solution angst comes from.

 

[Del203211]

Totes understand your grind, but you gotta (and gonna assume you do) understand Grets grate as well.

What we have, if I may view from an impartial view, is an impasse.

Grets says 'do sumthin about it'

Gov / non protestors say 'stop yelling and give a solution'

And no one is comin up with a solution, most likely coz there isn't / are not solutions - yet. (we don't honestly know)

And coz we don't honestly know that gives the angry cause to be angry, and fair enough! Could you honestly look at the world and say 'yep we're doin everythin we can'? fk no!

And that is where the soup / no solution angst comes from.

All for Greta saying doing something.. but when you’re being held by two police officers, smiling and laughing with them, and then posing for photos and videos, it makes the whole situation look much less alarming and more about theatre.
That’s my opinion though.

 

[Cap]

I've seen this posted on more than one thread.

It is interesting the differing shall we say evaluations of what was said in this video.

This guy is very blunt in what he says, none the less some very salient points.

• *Screaming at the world by throwing soup at paintings achieves zero, one could confidently argue would be even counterproductive.
• Without actually spelling it out, we don't have the technology to scale to make the changes that we need. Blunt but reality none the less.
• People regardless of their status will always put their own before the planet. Colour me surprised on that one, who would've thought.
• *Working to solutions to the problems instead of being angry at the world in the hope of attention. Attention is already abound and in abundance plenty, wasting soup or spray painting woodside logos on paintings is counter productive - that is not up for debate when you think about it.

So throwing a line like 'this is what happens when ya don't eat ya veg' is an immediate discredit, or counter productivity if you will.

I'll concede that the blunt delivery of this blokes sermon does not help, in fact is probably counter productive or even somewhat discrediting to his shall we say 'argument'.

Regardless, the points remain, in a nutshell, unless you can get the whole 8.5 billion people to buy in on a strategy to combat climate change (which arguably isn't even available yet) then the current methods of attention grabbing is futile because

a) The attention is already there, unless one lives on mars.

b) The solution/s is/are not available yet, and yelling at clouds willing for change is, well, futile.

The video is a poor man's Jonathan Pie rant.

Like your post, it doesn't actually have anything capable of being discredited. It's just a bunch of stereotypes and hyperbole

The purpose of the video is to give joy to people who have made their anti climate change views part of their belief system. It appears to do that well.

 

[Gough]

Agreed.

Although I’m off Greta after her little theatre session the other day. Between that and the Woodside graffiti, it’s seriously grinding my gears. It’s doing NO favours for anyone.

Inexpensive perspex sheet defaced, Woodside's vandalism exposed very publicly. What's not to like? Think about all the good it's doing as well, Paul Murray and his ilk being exposed to Australian Expressionism for the first time as they rage about this can only expand their tiny little pea brains.

 

[Cap]

Agreed.

Although I’m off Greta after her little theatre session the other day. Between that and the Woodside graffiti, it’s seriously grinding my gears. It’s doing NO favours for anyone.

These people aren't the purveyors of climate change science though.

Greta or these people shouldn't impact any reasonable or intelligent persons view on climate change or the science behind it.

Don't get me wrong, climate change deniers believe we all blindly follow a figurehead like Greta, but that's because by and large, that's how they operate. But that doesn't make it true