Yep, I'm about fixing it .... preaching will never take us forward.
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Yep, I'm about fixing it .... preaching will never take us forward.
You are one of those who will never be a part of the solution .... you can deny China all you like. Yes I want to know how !!
Try being part of the solution.
Is it unprecedented?
I am trying Kwality, which is more than I can say for the but China recalcitrants
Climate change alarmist is a strange term for people who advocate for listening to scientists, or the experts.
But sure, let's all drink daddy murdoch's kool-aid til we all think like him at least then he won't have to circulate his toilet paper.
But sure, let's all drink daddy murdoch's kool-aid til we all think like him at least then he won't have to circulate his toilet paper.
Alarmists don’t read or listen to scientists. They stay within an echo chamber and read headlines from publications which suit the narrative they want to hear.
These are the same people who go ballistic if you don’t hate trump, weren’t pro brexit or don’t hate Israel.
For them it’s “Your either with us or against us and hurry up and pick a side”
Objective people don’t get hysterical about any of these issues and float somewhere in the middle seeking more information before forming an opinion, if at all, as most are busy getting on with life. I think someone labelled them the “quiet Australians”
Australia: show the world what climate action looks like
The fires are a wake-up call. The country’s leaders must now act on overwhelming evidence and public opinion.
www.nature.com
Bingo!
Justinian 21 January
What a load of sweeping rubbish.
Malcolm Turnbull slams PM's response to climate change and bushfires
In a wide-ranging interview the former prime minister said he had known Scott Morrison "for 20 years and I can't explain his conduct".
Uh oh, Turnbull became a climate alarmist because he listens to science. I believe this is the point where anyone who doesn't agree with him will say "I wish these angry past PMs would stay out of politics".
One day in 2017, Peter pulled up to an injection well in Cambridge, Ohio. A worker walked around his truck with a hand-held radiation detector, he says, and told him he was carrying one of the “hottest loads” he’d ever seen. It was the first time Peter had heard any mention of the brine being radioactive.
The Earth’s crust is in fact peppered with radioactive elements that concentrate deep underground in oil-and-gas-bearing layers. This radioactivity is often pulled to the surface when oil and gas is extracted — carried largely in the brine.
In the popular imagination, radioactivity conjures images of nuclear meltdowns, but radiation is emitted from many common natural substances, usually presenting a fairly minor risk. Many industry representatives like to say the radioactivity in brine is so insignificant as to be on par with what would be found in a banana or a granite countertop, so when Peter demanded his supervisor tell him what he was being exposed to, his concerns were brushed off; the liquid in his truck was no more radioactive than “any room of your home,” he was told. But Peter wasn’t so sure.
“A lot of guys are coming up with cancer, or sores and skin lesions that take months to heal,” he says. Peter experiences regular headaches and nausea, numbness in his fingertips and face, and “joint pain like fire.”
He says he wasn’t given any safety instructions on radioactivity, and while he is required to wear steel-toe boots, safety glasses, a hard hat, and clothes with a flash-resistant coating, he isn’t required to wear a respirator or a dosimeter to measure his radioactivity exposure — and the rest of the uniform hardly offers protection from brine. “It’s all over your hands, and inside your boots, and on the cuticles of your toes, and any cuts you have — you’re soaked,” he says.
So Peter started quietly taking samples of the brine he hauled, filling up old antifreeze containers or soda bottles. Eventually, he packed a shed in his backyard with more than 40 samples. He worried about further contamination but says, for him, “the damage is already done.” He wanted answers. “I cover my ass,” he says. “Ten or 15 years down the road, if I get sick, I want to be able to prove this.”
Through a grassroots network of Ohio activists, Peter was able to transfer 11 samples of brine to the Center for Environmental Research and Education at Duquesne University, which had them tested in a lab at the University of Pittsburgh. The results were striking.
Radium, typically the most abundant radionuclide in brine, is often measured in picocuries per liter of substance and is so dangerous it’s subject to tight restrictions even at hazardous-waste sites. The most common isotopes are radium-226 and radium-228, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission requires industrial discharges to remain below 60 for each. Four of Peter’s samples registered combined radium levels above 3,500, and one was more than 8,500.
“It’s ridiculous that these drivers are not being told what’s in their trucks,” says John Stolz, Duquesne’s environmental-center director. “And this stuff is on every corner — it is in neighborhoods. Truckers don’t know they’re being exposed to radioactive waste, nor are they being provided with protective clothing.
More here:
www.rollingstone.com
The Earth’s crust is in fact peppered with radioactive elements that concentrate deep underground in oil-and-gas-bearing layers. This radioactivity is often pulled to the surface when oil and gas is extracted — carried largely in the brine.
In the popular imagination, radioactivity conjures images of nuclear meltdowns, but radiation is emitted from many common natural substances, usually presenting a fairly minor risk. Many industry representatives like to say the radioactivity in brine is so insignificant as to be on par with what would be found in a banana or a granite countertop, so when Peter demanded his supervisor tell him what he was being exposed to, his concerns were brushed off; the liquid in his truck was no more radioactive than “any room of your home,” he was told. But Peter wasn’t so sure.
“A lot of guys are coming up with cancer, or sores and skin lesions that take months to heal,” he says. Peter experiences regular headaches and nausea, numbness in his fingertips and face, and “joint pain like fire.”
He says he wasn’t given any safety instructions on radioactivity, and while he is required to wear steel-toe boots, safety glasses, a hard hat, and clothes with a flash-resistant coating, he isn’t required to wear a respirator or a dosimeter to measure his radioactivity exposure — and the rest of the uniform hardly offers protection from brine. “It’s all over your hands, and inside your boots, and on the cuticles of your toes, and any cuts you have — you’re soaked,” he says.
So Peter started quietly taking samples of the brine he hauled, filling up old antifreeze containers or soda bottles. Eventually, he packed a shed in his backyard with more than 40 samples. He worried about further contamination but says, for him, “the damage is already done.” He wanted answers. “I cover my ass,” he says. “Ten or 15 years down the road, if I get sick, I want to be able to prove this.”
Through a grassroots network of Ohio activists, Peter was able to transfer 11 samples of brine to the Center for Environmental Research and Education at Duquesne University, which had them tested in a lab at the University of Pittsburgh. The results were striking.
Radium, typically the most abundant radionuclide in brine, is often measured in picocuries per liter of substance and is so dangerous it’s subject to tight restrictions even at hazardous-waste sites. The most common isotopes are radium-226 and radium-228, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission requires industrial discharges to remain below 60 for each. Four of Peter’s samples registered combined radium levels above 3,500, and one was more than 8,500.
“It’s ridiculous that these drivers are not being told what’s in their trucks,” says John Stolz, Duquesne’s environmental-center director. “And this stuff is on every corner — it is in neighborhoods. Truckers don’t know they’re being exposed to radioactive waste, nor are they being provided with protective clothing.
More here:
America's Radioactive Secret
Investigation shows oil-and-gas wells' toxic waste could be making workers sick and contaminating communities across America.
www.rollingstone.com
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“Never waste a good crisis”, the politicians always say.
Watch Scomo and Dutto use climate change as a golden opportunity to steal away our freedoms, to intrude even further into citizens’ lives.
“In Australia in 2019, politicians spent more time discussing how best to punish environmental protesters than they did devising legislation that might protect the climate.“
Says it all.
www.theguardian.com
Watch Scomo and Dutto use climate change as a golden opportunity to steal away our freedoms, to intrude even further into citizens’ lives.
“In Australia in 2019, politicians spent more time discussing how best to punish environmental protesters than they did devising legislation that might protect the climate.“
Says it all.
There’s nothing safe about a country in flames, and the Coalition will exploit that | Jeff Sparrow
As bushfires flare, expect the government to dampen hopes of climate action and ramp up national security rhetoric
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If the shoe fits, what's the problem?
How else do we describe people who choose to vandalise any sort of scientific discussion of the terrifying threat from climate change?
I'm perfectly comfortable with all of those terms in this instance.
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Oh yes, it's well established that governments always act only in the best interest of the people.
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Well if you choose to flagrantly ignore everything that eminently-qualified scientists have told you, you would say that.
Not being a scientist, I trust their expertise. Like most sane rational people do a hundred times a day just to survive.
That's not to say that you're not free to challenge their advice scientifically.
What are your qualifications, to call them into question?
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So you keep preaching to us.
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Climate change is about breaking records isn’t it? We are one rain event away from smashing our record rainfall for January so maybe this climate change is real! Getting 3 times your average rainfall in the middle of the fire season, such a terrible thing.
Meaningless name calling by a wannabe elitist. People can & do think for themselves, like it or not.
Preaching to those that buy preaching, Issy has a brethren of true believer types, my cause it fixing it ....
Poor attempt at ignoring why China continues to build power stations .... why Pakistan, Vietnam continue to increase power generation.
The obvious question is why not renewables, dont they have the same abacus that we use?
The bloke is a complete fraud.
Calling someone out for name calling whilst calling them names?
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Denying science is "thinking for themselves". LOL.
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So let's do nothing. It's clear that's what you want.
And before you come back with "I just think it's important to make sure we don't exacerbate the situation by choosing the wrong approach" (like it's still 1993, not 2020), read this and then let me know if there's anything you don't understand.
And stop wasting everyone's time with pathetic little objections.
No one job is worth saving at the expense of climate catastrophe. Not even Scott Morrison's | Richard Denniss
Promising Australia won’t tackle the climate crisis unless every coal worker’s job is safe is a cruel hoax designed to conceal inaction
