Politics Climate Change Paradox

Should we act now, or wait for a unified global approach


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JackOutback

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I don't think too many people would argue the idea of "climate change". But when we start talking "man made climate change" and the extent of influence we have on our climate is a different story. Then there's the political motives behind all of this.

But climate change on this planet has been happening forever. A never ending cycle of warm periods followed by cool periods when man made emissions wasn't even a thing.
So you think it’s just ‘coincidence’ that very observable climate change just started happening at the same time as industrialisation and we started pumping tons of sh*t into the atmosphere? Would like to see the bookies’ odds on that given we’re operating in timescales of tens and hundreds of thousands of years.
 

Seeds

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I don't think too many people would argue the idea of "climate change". But when we start talking "man made climate change" and the extent of influence we have on our climate is a different story. Then there's the political motives behind all of this.

But climate change on this planet has been happening forever. A never ending cycle of warm periods followed by cool periods when man made emissions wasn't even a thing.
Yes but the non man made climate change happened over thousands and thousands of years in most cases. The man made climate change is happening over 2 centuries. In saying that there are some alarmists making it out to be far worse for humanity then it is but lets not compare man made climate change to the climate variation seen over 1000s of years.
 

Pie eyed

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These sort of alarmist statements have been made time and time again over the last 50 years. None have ever eventuated.

Have you heard of the boy who cried wolf?

PS: Manhattan is meant to be under water by now. Can you check for me?
Have you heard of the boy who died from skin cancer?

You show me one actual boy who actually cried wolf.
I dare you.
 

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Pie eyed

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So you think it’s just ‘coincidence’ that very observable climate change just started happening at the same time as industrialisation and we started pumping tons of sh*t into the atmosphere? Would like to see the bookies’ odds on that given we’re operating in timescales of tens and hundreds of thousands of years.
He's a trolling idiot or just an idiot.
Don't waste bandwidth on the *******.
 

Better Loosen Up

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So you think it’s just ‘coincidence’ that very observable climate change just started happening at the same time as industrialisation and we started pumping tons of sh*t into the atmosphere? Would like to see the bookies’ odds on that given we’re operating in timescales of tens and hundreds of thousands of years.
Are you completely ignoring the cool period we had in the mid 1900's.
 

Mofra

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This is interesting - climate change is having an effect on the upper atmosphere and increasing the potential for Kessler Syndrome events:

Gravity ensures that everything that goes up will eventually come back down - but the bath is currently being filled faster than the plug hole and the overflow pipe can empty it.
Some material from the A-Sat tests will come down to Earth, out of harm's way, but a significant proportion will head off to high altitudes where they will remain a hazard for years to come.
Humans and nature are also conspiring in unexpected ways to make the situation worse. The extra CO2 pumped into the atmosphere down the years has cooled some of its highest reaches - the thermosphere.
This - combined with low levels of solar activity - have shrunk the atmosphere, limiting the amount of drag on orbital objects that ordinarily helps to pull debris from the sky. In other words, the junk is also staying up longer.
Leaving aside the growth in debris from collisions for a moment, the number of satellites being sent into space is also increasing rapidly.
Go back to the 2000s, and the average for the number of satellites launched each year would be about 100. In this decade, the proliferation of small satellite technologies will likely see the annual average rise above 1,000.
 

Dogs_R_Us

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How much would it cost to charge an EV? Similar to a tank of petrol? Does it last as long?
you save about 2 grand a year….but the price difference is nowhere near that.

now if you are commercial and run the vehicle 8. 16. 24 hours a day … makes sense. Maybe everyone is howling at the wrong moon

lots of these commercial vehicles operate in residential areas - maybe 8. 16 24 times the pollution of a private car
 

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