Does anyone have an opinion as to why club memberships with the Victorian clubs are so low? Is it the Waverley factor? Or perhaps the price of a club membership? Maybe dare I say it - the Victorian public are sick of the AFL and opting for Melbourne Storm? Or Colonial Stadium is it a stadium for the silver spoons and suits?
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its obvious
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The reason for such low figures for club membership for Melbourne clubs can't be price. The price for memberships is lower in Melbourne than elsewhere. Its not that.
The real reason is obvious. Only so many people are interested and they are thinly spread over the ten Melbourne clubs. Thats the reason- too many clubs in Melbourne.
The real reason is obvious. Only so many people are interested and they are thinly spread over the ten Melbourne clubs. Thats the reason- too many clubs in Melbourne.
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Things may change with Colonial Stadium, but Victorian footy fans can get a seat at the footy just by rolling up on the day, so there's no real imperative to buy a membership. Adelaide, Sydney and West Coast home games are nearly all sold out before the season starts, so if their fans don't buy memberships/season tickets they don't get to see their team live.
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There's been a lot of changes and those fans who haven't fallen for the "get a reserved seat now or risk missing out" are probably holding off to see how it goes. Victoria is a competitive market so if you hold back, the AFL make consessions, so why not hold back a bit more ?
I have my Hawthorn membership already, by the way
I have my Hawthorn membership already, by the way
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Proud, passionate and paid up huh?
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Spot on PM,, it's the ol' story of supply and demand. As long as there are seats available in Melbourne that don't require reservation, membbership levels will remain below those of the non-vic clubs. Once (if?) this changes, I'd expect to see them rise accordingly.
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I believe the figures published in the Herald Sun are inflated. Every team which are playing their home games at Colonial Stadium ie: Essendon, Doggies, St Kilda, Geelong & Kangaroos have higher memberships this year than at the same time last year. This is because the supporters of these clubs have brought their memberships earlier this year than they normally would. I know I did.
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As regards Prt, Chief Executive Brian Cunningham said that memberships and season ticket sales were down on last year, but pointed out they were down for a lot of clubs. He quoted the Olympics as a factor. Ther is also the unusual Hawthorne situation, but other s from over there can comment on this.
As for the Adelaide Crows, their season tickets are consistently sold out. Some so called Crows supporters argue this is the reason they have cap on the number of members. In fact, only the prestige membership packages are capped. AS for not getting a game, the only game a Crows suporter without a season ticket would miss would be the Showdowns. For every other game, they could pre book.
Fact is, the Crows don't translate huge supoprt into memberships. This is a legacy of the contempt they showed their supporters for the first 6 years, and the undemocratic nature of their adminsitration. Port on the other hand signs up a much greater percentage of supporters. The are a community club, and in spite of having far less support than the Crows, they brain them in terms of proceeds from the social club, money that is returned to the community.
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As for the Adelaide Crows, their season tickets are consistently sold out. Some so called Crows supporters argue this is the reason they have cap on the number of members. In fact, only the prestige membership packages are capped. AS for not getting a game, the only game a Crows suporter without a season ticket would miss would be the Showdowns. For every other game, they could pre book.
Fact is, the Crows don't translate huge supoprt into memberships. This is a legacy of the contempt they showed their supporters for the first 6 years, and the undemocratic nature of their adminsitration. Port on the other hand signs up a much greater percentage of supporters. The are a community club, and in spite of having far less support than the Crows, they brain them in terms of proceeds from the social club, money that is returned to the community.
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Hawthorn's situation is not that membership has plummetted, but is struggling to take off as fast as those clubs with a percieved 'problem' if you don't renew early
Coupled with the early start to the season
I think Ian dicker's main worry is the club will struggle to keep up with demand to process the 22,000 plus 12,000 he hopes to recruit.
I for one am not worrying at this stage and Ross Oakley can get back in his box and worry about colingwood's membership, which hasn't exactly set the world alight since he began as a marketing consultant.
For those interstate Ross rose his ugly head and said the 'two teams must go' cracked record syndrome (notice how it's always two, never one or three or four)
Even collo indicated politely on the radio that ross is off his rocker.
Coupled with the early start to the season
I think Ian dicker's main worry is the club will struggle to keep up with demand to process the 22,000 plus 12,000 he hopes to recruit.
I for one am not worrying at this stage and Ross Oakley can get back in his box and worry about colingwood's membership, which hasn't exactly set the world alight since he began as a marketing consultant.
For those interstate Ross rose his ugly head and said the 'two teams must go' cracked record syndrome (notice how it's always two, never one or three or four)
Even collo indicated politely on the radio that ross is off his rocker.
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Pessimistic
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Hawthorn's situation is not that membership has plummetted, but is struggling to take off as fast as those clubs with a percieved 'problem' if you don't renew early
Coupled with the early start to the season
I think Ian dicker's main worry is the club will struggle to keep up with demand to process the 22,000 plus 12,000 he hopes to recruit.
I for one am not worrying at this stage and Ross Oakley can get back in his box and worry about colingwood's membership, which hasn't exactly set the world alight since he began as a marketing consultant.
For those interstate Ross rose his ugly head and said the 'two teams must go' cracked record syndrome (notice how it's always two, never one or three or four)
Even collo indicated politely on the radio that ross is off his rocker.
Coupled with the early start to the season
I think Ian dicker's main worry is the club will struggle to keep up with demand to process the 22,000 plus 12,000 he hopes to recruit.
I for one am not worrying at this stage and Ross Oakley can get back in his box and worry about colingwood's membership, which hasn't exactly set the world alight since he began as a marketing consultant.
For those interstate Ross rose his ugly head and said the 'two teams must go' cracked record syndrome (notice how it's always two, never one or three or four)
Even collo indicated politely on the radio that ross is off his rocker.
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What, you don't agree the competition would be more fair if a couple of clubs were cut? 26 rounds a year is almost manageable if the Ansett cup is scrapped, and providing teams merged rather than just died, the number of members for the remaining clubs would increase. Bigger crowds, more money, a fairer draw and a higher standard of footy has got to be good for the game- surely?
It would have to be Victorian clubs eliminated after all the money the AFL have spent on 'nationalising' the game! (; Besides, if it was more the AFL, and less the VFL, players wouldn't be afraid of joining a team not in their home state, therefore strengthening Freo, Port, Sydney and Brisbane. (Adelaide & WC don't seem to have a problem attracting interstate players to the same extent). The entire league would be stronger, and more could be spent on regional and reserve leagues. At this stage, you'd have to say two of Geelong
, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Hawthorn -sorry Pess- and Richmond would go. Initially I thought North, but I don't think Jacko & Collins wil let that happen.
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It would have to be Victorian clubs eliminated after all the money the AFL have spent on 'nationalising' the game! (; Besides, if it was more the AFL, and less the VFL, players wouldn't be afraid of joining a team not in their home state, therefore strengthening Freo, Port, Sydney and Brisbane. (Adelaide & WC don't seem to have a problem attracting interstate players to the same extent). The entire league would be stronger, and more could be spent on regional and reserve leagues. At this stage, you'd have to say two of Geelong
Seeya.
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Eagle Fan,
the reason some kids (yes, at 17 they are still kids) don't want to travel interstate has nothing to do with how "AFL' the competition becomes. It simply that in many cases they do not feel comfortable moving away from their families & friends, particularly if it entails a move from one side of the country to the other.
Some kids are confiident enough that it doesn't bother them, others aren't, and whether their are 5 teams in Melbourne or 10 or 2 wont change this. All IMVHO of course!
seeya
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the reason some kids (yes, at 17 they are still kids) don't want to travel interstate has nothing to do with how "AFL' the competition becomes. It simply that in many cases they do not feel comfortable moving away from their families & friends, particularly if it entails a move from one side of the country to the other.
Some kids are confiident enough that it doesn't bother them, others aren't, and whether their are 5 teams in Melbourne or 10 or 2 wont change this. All IMVHO of course!
seeya
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not quite the whole story
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Skase wrote-
Crows supporters argue this is the reason they have cap on the number of members. In fact, only the prestige membership packages are capped.
The only way this could be true Skase is if your definition of "prestige" is "anything that involves an admission ticket". The only sort of Crows membership that anyone can still purchase involves web site access, a magazine and a fridge magnet for your money (and I'm not sure about the fridge magnet). You are right they don't cap that.
Crows supporters argue this is the reason they have cap on the number of members. In fact, only the prestige membership packages are capped.
The only way this could be true Skase is if your definition of "prestige" is "anything that involves an admission ticket". The only sort of Crows membership that anyone can still purchase involves web site access, a magazine and a fridge magnet for your money (and I'm not sure about the fridge magnet). You are right they don't cap that.
Senor Skase
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Dear Not quite whatever
While I have no interest in helping the Crows sell membership, the Bronze deal is in fact what is listed below. Note that if "getting a ticket" was the issue, getting a membership would be first priority.
Other errors in stuff previously posted - the wating list is for season tickets, not membership; the wait is 3 years, not 7.
AS for the value of membership, the Port members I know value very highly the voting rights, which directly elect the board, as well as the access to the clubrooms.
Crows supporters put up with gathering at the bottom of the stairs for 6 years - is it any wonder membership is not attractive to them?
Bronze Membership Card
Bronze Membership Badge
Bronze Membership Sticker
4 editions of the Crows Magazine
2000 Official Year Book
Social Club Discount Voucher Book
Membership Card Information Booklet
Free entry to our Family Day 10th Birthday Celebration
Invitation to 'Sunday Arvo at the Footy'
Voting Rights
Opportunity to participate in the Members Most Valuable
Player Voting
Free entry to Regional Supporters Group (where
applicable)
Invitation to Information Meeting
Priority to purchase one daily ticket for each Bronze
Membership for Adelaide Football Club Home games
excluding the Showdown (v Port) games and Home
Finals
Access to a members only, exclusive range of
merchandise
Access to exclusive members only functions
incorporating members specials from Crowmania**
Bye
Senor Skase
While I have no interest in helping the Crows sell membership, the Bronze deal is in fact what is listed below. Note that if "getting a ticket" was the issue, getting a membership would be first priority.
Other errors in stuff previously posted - the wating list is for season tickets, not membership; the wait is 3 years, not 7.
AS for the value of membership, the Port members I know value very highly the voting rights, which directly elect the board, as well as the access to the clubrooms.
Crows supporters put up with gathering at the bottom of the stairs for 6 years - is it any wonder membership is not attractive to them?
Bronze Membership Card
Bronze Membership Badge
Bronze Membership Sticker
4 editions of the Crows Magazine
2000 Official Year Book
Social Club Discount Voucher Book
Membership Card Information Booklet
Free entry to our Family Day 10th Birthday Celebration
Invitation to 'Sunday Arvo at the Footy'
Voting Rights
Opportunity to participate in the Members Most Valuable
Player Voting
Free entry to Regional Supporters Group (where
applicable)
Invitation to Information Meeting
Priority to purchase one daily ticket for each Bronze
Membership for Adelaide Football Club Home games
excluding the Showdown (v Port) games and Home
Finals
Access to a members only, exclusive range of
merchandise
Access to exclusive members only functions
incorporating members specials from Crowmania**
Bye
Senor Skase
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Pessimistic
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Dear Eagle fan
I'd seriously listen to anyone who wants to cut teams, provided they offer their team as the first sacrifice.
Why cut a victorian club ? why not cut the team nobody wants to see ? Or the most boring team of the nineties ?
Nuff said
I'd seriously listen to anyone who wants to cut teams, provided they offer their team as the first sacrifice.
Why cut a victorian club ? why not cut the team nobody wants to see ? Or the most boring team of the nineties ?
Nuff said
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Because Wayne et. al. are governed by the dollar! At this stage, all the interstate teams are either making huge profits or look to do so in the near future. A number of Victorian teams aren't.
By the way, we are not a boring team! (If that's what you were getting at). Perhaps you prefer a team that plays an erratic brand of footy, who could win or lose any match at any stage. I prefer to watch my team, who for much of the decade were a well-oiled machine. Skilled doesn't translate to boring.
And if you're proposing (again) that Freo are boring, you obviously haven't ever watched them properly. Completely inconsistent and frustrating, but not boring.
Seeya.
By the way, we are not a boring team! (If that's what you were getting at). Perhaps you prefer a team that plays an erratic brand of footy, who could win or lose any match at any stage. I prefer to watch my team, who for much of the decade were a well-oiled machine. Skilled doesn't translate to boring.
And if you're proposing (again) that Freo are boring, you obviously haven't ever watched them properly. Completely inconsistent and frustrating, but not boring.
Seeya.
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Pessimistic
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If the cap fits, eagle fan
Notice I didn't name any team. You seemed to think that freo are the team nobody wants to see, and the eagles as the most boring team in the nineties.
I might think that, but I didn't actually say it
Notice I didn't name any team. You seemed to think that freo are the team nobody wants to see, and the eagles as the most boring team in the nineties.
I might think that, but I didn't actually say it
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Eagle_Fan
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Quite correct, you didn't say Freo are the teamnobody wants to watch -this time. You've said it enough times for people to remember. But that's OK.
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Pessimistic
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Sorry, eagle fan. I was a bit over the top.
If all teams were treat evenly when the issue of mergers or folding was discussed, It wouldn't be so bad. And it's not only interstate teams which seem to be protected (which is right in a way as we are trying to establish a national competition) For example two three high placed figures have mentioned the 'two clubs to go' but made no mention of Geelong's huge debt or Collingwoods huge loss last year (despite having 32,000 members)
I find it ironic when they have just built this huge(costing) stadium in the docklands and really need teams to survive in melbourne to help make it profitable.
Here's a scenario. If there are two many VIC clubs (which I don't believe) why not pull them all out, put them in a new VFL and form two or four 'composite' teams like the crows for the AFL
All or none
If all teams were treat evenly when the issue of mergers or folding was discussed, It wouldn't be so bad. And it's not only interstate teams which seem to be protected (which is right in a way as we are trying to establish a national competition) For example two three high placed figures have mentioned the 'two clubs to go' but made no mention of Geelong's huge debt or Collingwoods huge loss last year (despite having 32,000 members)
I find it ironic when they have just built this huge(costing) stadium in the docklands and really need teams to survive in melbourne to help make it profitable.
Here's a scenario. If there are two many VIC clubs (which I don't believe) why not pull them all out, put them in a new VFL and form two or four 'composite' teams like the crows for the AFL
All or none
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