Coach Grumpy

[Manbearpig77]

I think irrespective of anyone's thoughts on Langer as person or his coaching style, he should have been able to walk away with his head held high along with some respect and dignity.

Came in at our lowest ebb and did exactly as was asked of him. Turn the culture around, instill discipline and gain back some respect from a nation who had turned it's back. A mammoth task. But, he did it.

Then while obtaining that first goal, he ended up alienating his players and staff (and lost a series he never should have), he was told to sort that out. This saga played out in cloak and dagger style in highly embarrassing, highly public and excoriating fashion. But, he did it.

Then when he was told to get results on field. He did it.

Won a T20WC when literally no one expected us to, and destroyed (albeit a very poor) England 4-0, taking us back to #1 in the Test rankings.

Perhaps he had run his course as coach after 4 years, but he did an amazing job under extremely challenging circumstances and dedicated his whole being to the task.

Like Tim Paine, who was also cast aside by this organisation ignominiously, he should have gone out on top. While he's probably not blameless here, I think it's fair to say that CA are a shambles. A clown car of an organisation.

It just didn't need to play out this way. So embarrassing. So inept.

Well done to Justin Langer. A polarising figure and one who frustrated me on occasion, but ultimately someone who deserves the utmost respect of the cricket public.

 

[Borisdog]

I think irrespective of anyone's thoughts on Langer as person or his coaching style, he should have been able to walk away with his head held high along with some respect and dignity.

Came in at our lowest ebb and did exactly as was asked of him. Turn the culture around, instill discipline and gain back some respect from a nation who had turned it's back. A mammoth task. But, he did it.

Then while obtaining that first goal, he ended up alienating his players and staff (and lost a series he never should have), he was told to sort that out. This saga played out in cloak and dagger style in highly embarrassing, highly public and excoriating fashion. But, he did it.

Then when he was told to get results on field. He did it.

Won a T20WC when literally no one expected us to, and destroyed (albeit a very poor) England 4-0, taking us back to #1 in the Test rankings.

Perhaps he had run his course as coach after 4 years, but he did an amazing job under extremely challenging circumstances and dedicated his whole being to the task.

Like Tim Paine, who was also cast aside by this organisation ignominiously, he should have gone out on top. While he's probably not blameless here, I think it's fair to say that CA are a shambles. A clown car of an organisation.

It just didn't need to play out this way. So embarrassing. So inept.

Well done to Justin Langer. A polarising figure and one who frustrated me on occasion, but ultimately someone who deserves the utmost respect of the cricket public.

110%

This says a lot more about the board than anything else.

More and more organisations are behaving this way - The perceptions are becoming more important than the results.

 

[Kappa]

sh*t imagine a coach actually gave a f*ck and was hard on you to get the best out of you. You’re not going to get elite performances with a yes man as the coach. Just another victim of the NSW boys club they’ve got going on at CA. Not sure we actually need a replacement as it looks like the players are running the show and apparently know what to do. Needs to be a serious shake up because this entitlement and lack of accountability will lead to subpar results before too long.

England will snap him up in no time (not that he’d necessarily do any better there with that bunch of sooks).

Yes... the players hated him because he "gave a ****" and was "hard on them".

Have you actually read any media reports or listened to any players talk about the issues? No? Then why are you commenting?

 

[the_interloper]

So he lost the players basically, seems as simple as that. Langer might have been a great coach in the 80s and 90s but for today’s standards I’d reckon maybe not. Anyway I think he did a great job through that period and hope he gets another decent role.

Who’s favoured to take over, I’m assuming Andrew McDonald?

 

[Westend]

Another WA poster twisting the facts.

I don't think anyone wants a yes man coach, but JL came across as unhinged and the reports were around his strange mood swings and ripping into players over seemingly nothing.

There's two sides to every story, but based on the players intervention, Cricket Australia side lined Langer and the players responded with performances, seemingly showing that they don't need JL.

None of this excuses Cricket Australia's complete incompetence, but I don't buy into JL being super hard done by, he lost the players some time ago and that to me shows he didn't do his job as a coach.

Twisting the facts my arse

Fact is he was knifed by his own players after winning the ashes and the world cup

Senior players didn't like him and are forwarding there own agendas and if bayliss gets the role...will only go to justify it

This is a black mark on Cricket in Australia and a black mark on Cummins career where wins or loses do not matter but stepping on eggs shells does

So we move on Gillespie or Punter for me

 

[Phone]

I think irrespective of anyone's thoughts on Langer as person or his coaching style, he should have been able to walk away with his head held high along with some respect and dignity.

Came in at our lowest ebb and did exactly as was asked of him. Turn the culture around, instill discipline and gain back some respect from a nation who had turned it's back. A mammoth task. But, he did it.

Then while obtaining that first goal, he ended up alienating his players and staff (and lost a series he never should have), he was told to sort that out. This saga played out in cloak and dagger style in highly embarrassing, highly public and excoriating fashion. But, he did it.

Then when he was told to get results on field. He did it.

Won a T20WC when literally no one expected us to, and destroyed (albeit a very poor) England 4-0, taking us back to #1 in the Test rankings.

Perhaps he had run his course as coach after 4 years, but he did an amazing job under extremely challenging circumstances and dedicated his whole being to the task.

Like Tim Paine, who was also cast aside by this organisation ignominiously, he should have gone out on top. While he's probably not blameless here, I think it's fair to say that CA are a shambles. A clown car of an organisation.

It just didn't need to play out this way. So embarrassing. So inept.

Well done to Justin Langer. A polarising figure and one who frustrated me on occasion, but ultimately someone who deserves the utmost respect of the cricket public.

This whole post seems to be ignoring that.....Langer choose not to do this.

There was no logical process that could see Langer get extended, and it was plain for all to see, if they wanted to see it. It's beyond clear that he was pushed to the sidelines in the off-season due to his performance, leading to the introduction of two assistant coaches joining McDonald and the creation of a coaching panel that clearly was not sustainable in the long run. When it came to actually offering Langer a contract, how on earth would that work. You'd likely need to offer him the contract with reduced pay, to reflect that he had been told to do less due to poor performance, right? And you'd need to limit it to a shorter contract too, to reflect that you all but sacked him a year ago, so it wouldn't be wise to offer more than 2 years. And then how much do you pay the assistant coaches that have been deemed to be so important.

Langer choose to pursue a contract extension that he plainly couldn't get unless he was willingly to likely take less money and less contract length.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

The perfect exemplar of modern Cricket Australia decision making and incompetent culture;

• Hard worker who gave the job his all, took over the ultimate poisoned chalice in 2018 and helped rebuild the side's reputation run out of town.
• Next coach on a hiding to nothing - has to walk on eggshells around the players, heading into a tough year of subcontinent tours and a world cup with minimal prep.
• Cummins and the senior players look like oversensitive, cowardly prevaricators - too scared to put their issues in the open and going running to compliant stenographers like Malcolm Conn at a moment's offence.

All this off the back of one of our more successful runs in recent history. Bravo Hockley, Pat and Co.

 

[JackOutback]

From all reports, Langer is a bellend, but he’s also clearly an excellent coach. Took on the job at our lowest ebb, immediately did better than expected and ended with an unexpected T20 championship and Ashes drubbing. That’s an extension in anyone’s books.

Players driving coaching is fraught with danger. You don’t have to like everyone you work with as long as you can get the best out of each other. Also, CA have ballsed this up by letting Langer walk away. Now he gets to control the narrative that they were disrespectful to him and his achievements so he told them to get stuffed. And he wouldn’t be wrong.

 

[Freezin]

It's been stated that Aust WC success and Ashes win coincided with JL taking a more step back approach, allowing the likes of McDonald and Di Venuto are more hands on role....which seems to have immediate success.....especially compared to that summer before v India's 3rd 11, which was a JL controlled disaster. JL leaves an Ashes series winning coach and a WC win in his coaching CV.....good way to bow out TBH, regardless of how little or much he contributed to those successes. See ya JL.

Who is next in line....or is it a player driven poison chalice now?

 

[madmug]

As much as this is probably the right result in many ways given the dressing room clearly isn’t a fan, this has been ******* ridiculously messy.

This is what happens when weak/incompetent administrators can't make strategic decisions.

 

[to1994]

Twisting the facts my arse

Fact is he was knifed by his own players after winning the ashes and the world cup

Senior players didn't like him and are forwarding there own agendas and if bayliss gets the role...will only go to justify it

This is a black mark on Cricket in Australia and a black mark on Cummins career where wins or loses do not matter but stepping on eggs shells does

So we move on Gillespie or Punter for me

Feel people are getting too emotional about this when they try and say it's a black mark on Cummins.

How do you know Cummins wasn't just doing what he felt was best for his players? Why is it automatically a personal issue that he had?

If I had to guess, I'd say CA basically promised the players earlier in the year that Langer would have a reduced role and would be moved on at the end of his contract. Langer felt he had a new lease of life after the T20 WC win (The Ashes were a forgone conclusion) and that's why it got messy.

It's been very poorly handled by CA but I think the best decision has been made for the long term.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Anyway, looking forward to the return of the type of the exemplary culture and leadership this playing group displayed the last time they demanded the coach be everyone's non-critical mate.

 

[Demons09]

So Bayliss eh i guess we can just focus on white ball cricket now.

 

[Plugger35]

Not surprising that Langer chose to resign, even if CA offered him a contract extension he would've known that he didn't have the support of the players which would make coaching them difficult, if not impossible, and eventually he would have been sacked as soon as they lost another series.

Better for him to walk away now on a high after winning the T20 World Cup and the Ashes and he gets to save face by resigning rather than being sacked.

 

[Collars]

A dark day in Australian cricket. When Australian cricket was In disarray, JL stepped in and made the players value the Baggy Green and what it stands for.

Four years later we're T20 world champions, made the semi final in the ODI World Cup, destroyed England 4-0, should've won the Ashes in England and could've been World Test Champions if it weren't for Covid.

The tough culture he created is now in disarray because of a VERY weak CA Board who are being led by a group of individuals who think they are bigger than the game.

 

[Borisdog]

Feel people are getting too emotional about this when they try and say it's a black mark on Cummins.

How do you know Cummins wasn't just doing what he felt was best for his players? Why is it automatically a personal issue that he had?

If I had to guess, I'd say CA basically promised the players earlier in the year that Langer would have a reduced role and would be moved on at the end of his contract. Langer felt he had a new lease of life after the T20 WC win (The Ashes were a forgone conclusion) and that's why it got messy.

It's been very poorly handled by CA but I think the best decision has been made for the long term.

Your last line is the most poignant for mine.

CA have now pretty much hung out to dry the 2 guys in , arguably, the most important roles in Australian cricket.

We can argue whether Paine and Langer were "own goals" but there's a big stench here.

Once - OK
Twice - That's a pattern.

Good luck to whoever comes in, you'll need it.

But at this level in any organisation you know "it's when and not if" you get knifed.

 

[11kgm]

“I’m the grumpiest p**ck in the world because I told Marnus Labuschagne not to take a toasted ham and cheese sandwich (to the dugout) after his 40-minute lunch break,” said Langer earlier on the Cricket Et Cetera podcast.

I mean that is pushing players that's being a campaigner for campaigner sake

 

[JackFlash]

I just really want to know how the word "woke" ended up in this discussion

Cummins...

 

[FreoRicci]

sh*t imagine a coach actually gave a f*ck and was hard on you to get the best out of you. You’re not going to get elite performances with a yes man as the coach. Just another victim of the NSW boys club they’ve got going on at CA. Not sure we actually need a replacement as it looks like the players are running the show and apparently know what to do. Needs to be a serious shake up because this entitlement and lack of accountability will lead to subpar results before too long.

England will snap him up in no time (not that he’d necessarily do any better there with that bunch of sooks).

Doesn’t surprise me with players such as Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc.

 

[BStaff17]

Surely team manager Gavin Dovey is next.

I read Dan brettig article in fairfax paper this morning doesn't paint Dovey in the greatest light.

The doco, the manager, the legends and Langer

Senior cricket figures have acknowledged that the day after the MCG Test would have been the best time to commence critical talks with Justin Langer about his future.

t.co

 

[PP34]

I think people are rewriting history a bit with this bloke. Again seems like a case of setting the bar low because of what came previously like with Paine’s captaincy.

Didn’t seem like a terrible coach. But I thought him and Paine were fairly poor in that series in England. Smith’s brilliance saved the team. They got rolled at home by India by an Indian side down several players.

People are talking him up for the T20 win and the recent Ashes series. Is that really that impressive? Probably the worst English side to hit our shores. The T20 win was good sure but we all know that’s not what coaches are there for.

He probably would have done enough o stick around if he wasn’t so hard for the players to get on.

Sure people can use the standard generation soft sort of cliches. But judging off what has been said about Langer he is tiring to be around. This old school idea that you can only be a good coach if everyone is fearful of you and constantly expecting to be screamed at is nonsense.

A lot of great coaches in all kinds of sports create great relationships with their players.

Regardless yet another pathetic handling of a situation by Cricket Australia. Absolutely laughable organisation.

 

[Tugga27]

Ponting won't coach Australia. Just doesn't want to do it

Said he'd be open to coaching the T20 team.
He also said not at Langers expense.

Surely the right time to split the coaches between test and white ball.

 

[Gough]

Sigh.

 

[Kram]

Anyway, looking forward to the return of the type of the exemplary culture and leadership this playing group displayed the last time they demanded the coach be everyone's non-critical mate.

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I'll never get over how dumb you would have to be to pick bright yellow sandpaper.. I mean at least white or brown could be mistaken for a chewy or elastoplast from a distance!

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

“I’m the grumpiest p**ck in the world because I told Marnus Labuschagne not to take a toasted ham and cheese sandwich (to the dugout) after his 40-minute lunch break,” said Langer earlier on the Cricket Et Cetera podcast.

I mean that is pushing players that's being a campaigner for campaigner sake

Yep. Getting into a player because of the silly shot he played to get out is one thing, but telling a player when he can or can't eat a toasted sandwich is not what a coach is for. Marnus may have spent the 40 minute lunchbreak in the nets or rehabilitating an injury for all we know. I've heard several similar stories about Langer's temper tantrums and treating players like children. We've seen how he carries on at times in that Test documentary. Whether that was part of the reason he's no longer coach, it hasn't been explained.