Coach Grumpy

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What no one understands is why did he let the game stop for 5 minutes and not speak up and just say to his team mates and the ump, sorry I must have accidentally knocked off the bail when I tapped it, he did nothing

It was such a weird one.

If it had happened 10 years before and was done by Merv Hughes or Ian Botham, it would have been regarded as a funny prank. Created chaos, no one knew what was going on. Personalities in the game.

Then it was something sinister, akin to cheating

 

[Demons09]

Already shown himself to be the greatest Captain Australia has ever had and hopefully he becomes Australia’s first official Captain Coach and they pay him double.
Took the Baggy Green Boys on and didn’t flinch once. And he’s only just started. What a legend what a leader what a man.

 

[BStaff17]

This is such a wank, after showing poor leadership for a month apparently a single written statement clears everything up. What a joke lol. Can tell someones a fan of Cummins reguardless.

So what if i am fan on Cummins no different to the diehard JL fans who are defending him.

Poor leadership for a month you must be a joking.

So not publically bagging and shitcanning JL in public is poor leadership. He was respectful and dignified.

CA have no leadership i will agree with you on that but that's not Cummins fault that they dragged this process through the gutter.

I thought the best part of his leadership that grew yesterday when he swatted away Mitchell Johnson grubby comments and didn't engage with him.

Showed he is twice the man and cricketer that Johnson ever was.

Remembering this is the same Mitchell Johnson that used to whinge and moan because the Barmy Army created a song about him and melted mentally.

 

[Some Idiot]

Another very professional statement and interview from Cummins. Like it or not he's not going to air dirty laundry that existed between his team mates and coach.

 

[Nuggetz]

It was the current crop of players who had a coach that lacked the required disciplinary and leadership skills, and ended up cheating. Not the former players.

These same players have now pushed out a coach who dished out a few hard truths and instilled discipline amongst them.

Inmates are running the asylum.

It was 2 players, david warner and cameron bancroft. Both were disciplined along with the captain Steve Smith. Bancroft is no longer in the team, warner holds no leadership position and Smith only returned to leadership role. They all learned from their mistakes and evolved, they aren't the same individuals as 4 years ago.

Some of the former players took the bookies cash, they instilled mental disintegration as a tactic in their win at all costs mentality. This same mentality was frowned upon by alot of the australian public and opposition players. They created a culture where the brashness and lack of humility in the aus team was engrained for years, upto the ball tampering scandal. I could easily say the former players is why Australian Cricket had a shit culture, even if the team was successful.

People evolve and mature, maybe you can't understand that or don't care about it. If you don't want to see both sides of the debate, then thats your choice but their are no inmates running the asylum. That is an immature and pissweak view, if that's what you honestly believe. At the time JL was an excellent choice for that playing group but that group has grown and matured. That's what happens after FOUR YEARS, it's not the same playing group as before but you obviously don't want to acknowledge it. If you want to keep going with your eyes closed and looking at the past then go for it.

 

[Gough]

Some interesting thoughts from Sam Perry.

Justin Langer’s defenders come out swinging with Brand Baggy Green under threat | Sam Perry

The outgoing Australia coach’s band of brothers have gone on the attack as the last of their generation departs

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Passenger]

bang on. lets not forget its a 4 year contract too.

If you think about our great teams, the Waugh era - do you think guys like Warne/Bevan/Mcgrath would have tolerated a Langer?

Simpson got moved on for Marsh because that team didn't need a dominant figurehead as coach.

In the 80's Border had a very young team and needed another dominant figure alongside him - although it was always AB's team, never Simmo's.

By the time Mark Taylor came in as captain the team was the best in the world and Taylor had Warne, McGrath, Healy and Waugh x 2 as very experienced members of the set up. The more convivial Marsh was much better suited.

 

[Gough]

Simpson got moved on for Marsh because that team didn't need a dominant figurehead as coach.

In the 80's Border had a very young team and needed another dominant figure alongside him - although it was always AB's team, never Simmo's.

By the time Mark Taylor came in as captain the team was the best in the world and Taylor had Warne, McGrath, Healy and Waugh x 2 as very experienced members of the set up. The more convivial Marsh was much better suited.

My memory of the Simmo years was how he turned us into the best drilled team in cricket. It's hard to believe in the age of more support staff than players on the field during warm ups but Simmo was the first to put a team in something that resembled team kit, they'd come out together and he and Erroll Allcott would run organised drills. By contrast the international teams came on in dribs and drabs in the own gear maybe do some fielding and stretching together but that would be about it.

 

[The Passenger]

Pretty much batted away Mitchell Johnson disgraceful comments with aplomb and showed he is twice the man Johnson will ever be.

MJ is one of the more level headed of the previous generations of cricketers. He also put up with a hell of a shit during his career that would have seen many others snap and he mostly just kept his head down and worked away.

His comments on Cummins were way off base but his public comments in retirement are generally pretty on point. I think it was mostly him just blowing off some steam.

He definitely seems like the sorta guy I'd enjoy a beer with.

 

[The Passenger]

Is this the same Langer that walked past the stumps and knocked off a bail, then some players appealed and Mr elite honesty said nothing

If everyone's going to throw emotional claptrap about lack of leadership, ball tampering etc* in addition to the above we've also got this doozy.



It's interesting that roughly a decade later the Australian cricketing public went absolutely ape shit at Broad for not walking.

* which are fair issues to discuss, it's just some of the posting would embarrass a hormone charged teenager.

 

[Del28562]

It was such a weird one.

If it had happened 10 years before and was done by Merv Hughes or Ian Botham, it would have been regarded as a funny prank. Created chaos, no one knew what was going on. Personalities in the game.

Then it was something sinister, akin to cheating

Yep it was a weird one, but Merv, beefy or any other guy would have put their hand up and had a laugh,
Look I think the match referee made the right call and put it down to an accident, but why Langer didn't say anything on field is the most puzzling

 

[Del28562]

If everyone's going to throw emotional claptrap about lack of leadership, ball tampering etc* in addition to the above we've also got this doozy.



It's interesting that roughly a decade later the Australian cricketing public went absolutely ape sh*t at Broad for not walking.

* which are fair issues to discuss, it's just some of the posting would embarrass a hormone charged teenager.

I think if the sri Lankans were more confident he would have walked, second slip doesn't do anything, it's like he was seeing things, as it clearly carried, I think most batters would stand their ground, if their team mates aren't sure

 

[Gough]

I think if the sri Lankans were more confident he would have walked, second slip doesn't do anything, it's like he was seeing things, as it clearly carried, I think most batters would stand their ground, if their team mates aren't sure

I think if it had been another team he might not have held his ground.

 

[Collars]

Well said, Danny.

 

[BStaff17]

MJ is one of the more level headed of the previous generations of cricketers. He also put up with a hell of a sh*t during his career that would have seen many others snap and he mostly just kept his head down and worked away.

His comments on Cummins were way off base but his public comments in retirement are generally pretty on point. I think it was mostly him just blowing off some steam.

He definitely seems like the sorta guy I'd enjoy a beer with.

Fair enough out of all the ex cricketers that have come out and said something in the past week he has come off worse then anyone imo and the one i lost a bit of respect for.

I only listened to his chat in the howie games podcast 2 weeks ago and i enjoyed it.

I think we all know the type of guy hayden is so no surprise he would come out swinging.

But its hard to come back from calling the Australian and former teammate gutless in a newspaper article.

Which obivously has to typed up and you have a chance to triple check if you want to say it.

Maybe he was egged on from the editors. who were fired up.

 

[corbies]

Well said, Danny.

The Ashes restored

 

[The Passenger]

For low intelligence people, yes.

There's going to be some serious cognitive dissonance going on when the same people are getting a little hard on when Cummins runs through another batting line-up.

 

[SSwans2011]

Well said, Danny.

Hahaha what a nuffy

 

[SSwans2011]

This honestly has to be up there with one of the more ridiculous sporting public whinges.

It's like the equivalent of employees of a company going to the board to get a boss that is generally disliked by the majority of staff members sacked, and then the boss' mates and a bunch of people that couldn't possibly have any idea about the merit of the employees' complaints telling the employees their complaints are unfounded and to get over themselves.

The fact that people apparently give more than zero shits about Danny Green's thoughts on the cricket and this saga is emblematic of how laughably ridiculous it all is.

 

[getthefooty]

This honestly has to be up there with one of the more ridiculous sporting public whinges.

It's like the equivalent of employees of a company going to the board to get a boss that is generally disliked by the majority of staff members sacked, and then the boss' mates and a bunch of people that couldn't possibly have any idea about the merit of the employees' complaints telling the employees their complaints are unfounded and to get over themselves.

The fact that people apparently give more than zero shits about Danny Green's thoughts on the cricket and this saga is emblematic of how laughably ridiculous it all is.

Exactly.

It's absurd. The whole "players are sooks and can't handle a bit of tough love" line that is being trotted out is completely nonsensical. Let's just keep a coach in because he's a hardarse hey? Never mind that the entire playing group hates him and the bloke loses his temper unnecessarily at the drop of a hat. He resurrected the culture post sandpaper gate, everyone appreciates that, but it's time to move on.

We won the Ashes because we actually have a decent team assembled right now and England are woeful and couldn't handle the hub. Not because of anything Langer did - he had even taken a back seat by that stage by all reports.

If Langer continued, the building discontent among the playing group would've inevitably led to a shambolic series (most likely overseas) and Langer would've been gone then anyway. Sensible for the players to make their concerns known now before that has a chance to happen.

 

[Collars]

Another very professional statement and interview from Cummins. Like it or not he's not going to air dirty laundry that existed between his team mates and coach.

And what's stopping JL from revealing the truth about the soft antics of several senior players?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I wonder why it didn't get stage managed to the point that Langer announces that he has decided not to seek reappointment, too much time away from my family etc and will finish up after the Ashes.

Surely things didn't get decided in the last couple of weeks.

 

[Some Idiot]

And what's stopping JL from revealing the truth about the soft antics of several senior players?

Langer has been professional throughout himself so I don't expect him to do so.

No one knows much about the situation other than the players and staff involved. Apart from a few tidbits of information, there is only speculation.

I don't think there's much to see here at all, the players didn't want to be stuck with Langer long term due to a couple of issues and Langer didn't want to accept anything less than a 4 year extension.

 

[Westend]

So what if i am fan on Cummins no different to the diehard JL fans who are defending him.

Poor leadership for a month you must be a joking.

So not publically bagging and shitcanning JL in public is poor leadership. He was respectful and dignified.

CA have no leadership i will agree with you on that but that's not Cummins fault that they dragged this process through the gutter.

I thought the best part of his leadership that grew yesterday when he swatted away Mitchell Johnson grubby comments and didn't engage with him.

Showed he is twice the man and cricketer that Johnson ever was.

Remembering this is the same Mitchell Johnson that used to whinge and moan because the Barmy Army created a song about him and melted mentally.

Well even if you do not agree with Johnson comments at least he has the courage to say what he thinks.....not like the Senior members of the team who have been leaking stories to the media for past 12 months most notably to Conn who has had a personal vendatta against langer for years

 

[Westend]

And what's stopping JL from revealing the truth about the soft antics of several senior players?

I think its called integrity something that this senior playing group lacks atm