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DeIulio2Pearce said:
He's a weird, weird unit. Him and his Opus Dei brother in arms Hayden. Small man syndrome to the extreme in Langer's case. Should've been sacked after the second India series anyway. Any money we will see him plonked into a Liberal seat some time soon too.
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There are no Liberal seats anymore....
 
Carbine Chaos said:
I think regardless of how he was perceived, the whole thing was mishandled by all parties. Langer could have adjusted his methods, Cummins could have been more forthcoming earlier.
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Not sure I agree with this. The exact same feedback had been relayed to Langer on a number of occasions and he refused to change his methods.

What was Cummins supposed to do? Give him a patronising last warning to act on the feedback he'd already been aware of for over a year?

It's not like Cummins demanded he be sacked either. He (presumably after discussions with his teammates) just didn't agree to give Langer an extension for as long as he wanted. If Langer had taken the extension and acted on the feedback, who knows what would have happened?
 

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frankrizzo said:
But they did do all that stuff? they had things in place to collect feedback they also had two separate independent reviews as well as multiple requests from CA directly to langer to tone things down, you can even find names of the ones who did reviews and then when you search their names(tim ford for example) you can even see langer quotes from 2021 when he was confronted with these reports none of this is new none of this unreported none of what langer says about not being told directly about the concerns is true.

Why is it langer fans here cant find any of this stuff themselves and simply say langer was blindsided and fired without cause? if you guys care so much about this stuff maybe take 5 seconds to research whats out there and what was done as none of it is secret.
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I'm certainly not taking sides. I certainly am not indicating who blindside who. It does seem a lot of people have decided to attack Pat Cummins, calling him woke for other comments as well. I'm not on that bandwagon either.

I just queried what structures & what processes CA had in place & how CA have handled the situation.

I mean I considered CA handling of 'sandpaper gate' as pretty poor. I think punishment was warranted but IMO was excessive when compared to other countries cricket related incidents. It seemed CA acted more savagely due to the media attacks & thus the public reaction. That made we wonder about how they've handled this situation.

The media of course will always look for any 'blood in the water'. They will highlight any sniff of controversy or perceived weakness in CA. So, do they just react to pressure from the media?
 
Westend said:
Sigh

So what's that now to the list

grumpy clown Weird Weid Unit Opus dei small man syndrome terrible commentator ...even future liberal member

the thread thats keeps on giving

good work lads
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He’s a hardcore Catholic and has previously expressed interest in becoming a Liberal MP.
 
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Langer looking into a political career

FORMER Australian cricketing great Justin Langer is considering a career in politics, with the Liberal Party trying to recruit him to stand for a federal or state seat.
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Strange Cat said:
Has the backstabbed Pat been sacked yet? I thought the side was going to let the result do the talking after getting Langer sacked?
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You popped on to this subforum got the first time in 4 years just to take a couple of shots at Cummins?

His record as skipper is immaculate results-wise. Hasn't lost a series. Beat Pakistan away. He doesn't captain the T20 team.
 
largebus said:
Why do that when you can white ant the current coach to deflect away from your own failings.
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Care to list some of Cummins failures? He isn't captain of the T20 side and they have not lost a single series that he has captained.
 
SSwans2011 said:
You popped on to this subforum got the first time in 4 years just to take a couple of shots at Cummins?

His record as skipper is immaculate results-wise. Hasn't lost a series. Beat Pakistan away. He doesn't captain the T20 team.
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Shit character and a massive backstabber

I’m comfortable in my assessment of the bloke
 

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Strange Cat said:
s**t character and a massive backstabber

I’m comfortable in my assessment of the bloke
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You said this:
Strange Cat said:
I thought the side was going to let the result do the talking after getting Langer sacked?
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Have you actually been paying attention to the results under Cummins, or did you just feel like simping for Langer and sinking the boots in...?
 
SSwans2011 said:
Care to list some of Cummins failures? He isn't captain of the T20 side and they have not lost a single series that he has captained.
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Nice fact selection mate.
He wasn't T20 captain so getting knocked out was all Aaron Finch's fault, even if he played shit. The white anting started mid last year but he wasn't captain then so obviously that was all Tim Paine's fault.
All fine for him to take credit for stuff since becoming captain, but everything before then was someone else, apparently.
 
SSwans2011 said:
You said this:

Have you actually been paying attention to the results under Cummins, or did you just feel like simping for Langer and sinking the boots in...?
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Laughable considering no one turning up to watch them and their recent failure to make the finals, he’s just a cowardly backstabbing campaigner of a bloke and not worth pissing on

Edit: no doubt to be deflected as the above post rightly described it
 
largebus said:
Nice fact selection mate.
He wasn't T20 captain so getting knocked out was all Aaron Finch's fault, even if he played s**t.
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I'll only reply to this part, given the rest of the post is strawmans.

My point was Cummins hasn't lost a series as captain and all you want to talk about are his failures. He captained our first Test series win overseas in almost a decade but that doesn't warrant a mention.
Strange Cat said:
Laughable considering no one turning up to watch them and their recent failure to make the finals, he’s just a cowardly backstabbing campaigner of a bloke and not worth pissing on
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It was a meaningless ODI series right after a World Cup. Average international cricket attendances are always pathetic November (MCG has a month average of just over 17,000).

Not worth pissing on is a pretty pathetic sentiment.
 
SSwans2011 said:
I'll only reply to this part, given the rest of the post is strawmans.

My point was Cummins hasn't lost a series as captain and all you want to talk about are his failures. He captained our first Test series win overseas in almost a decade but that doesn't warrant a mention.

It was a meaningless ODI series right after a World Cup. Average international cricket attendances are always pathetic November (MCG has a month average of just over 17,000).

Not worth pissing on is a pretty pathetic sentiment.
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And yet it continues to be an issue, he’s a shit person to be a captain as his character and behaviour does not meet that standards …I’m entitled to my opnion
 
Strange Cat said:
And yet it continues to be an issue, he’s a s**t person to be a captain as his character and behaviour does not meet that standards
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Okay, so your point wasn't about results, it was just your opinion on him as a captain based on wild character judgements based on very little. You could have just said that in the first place.
Strange Cat said:
…I’m entitled to my opnion
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Never said you weren't. You're the one that keeps needing to remind us that you're "comfortable" with your opinion.
 

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SSwans2011 said:
Okay, so it wasn't about results, it was just based on wild character judgements based on very little. You could have just said that in the first place.

Never said you weren't. You're the one that keeps needing to remind us that you're "comfortable" with your opinion.
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There’s enough smoke and incidents to point to his poor character and yea I’m very comfortable in my assessment
 
Strange Cat said:
He’s no Joel Selwood that’s for sure , seriously I’m glad at the very least there’s one sporting team that doesn’t have that type of character as a captain
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Ok
 

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