Coach Grumpy

[anchor man]

Well pat cummins is the captain. He should have some say on weather he wants Langer to stay on.

Aaron Finch hasn't exactly endorsed Langer either.

You cant have your captain and coach not on the same page in any sporting team its not going to work.

I remember the test documentary when Usman Khawaja called Langer out that everyone was on eggshells because of his demeanour.

Both home summers we have lost to india at home have been brutal losses and going off the media reports after last year the players have had enough of Langer's volatility and mood swings.

Having been in a workplace before when the boss is volatile and unpredictable. Its nothing worse then being in an environment not knowing how the boss will react over how something is said and your in the background anxious of when he the timebomb will explode.

Not saying Langer is exactly that but there is plenty of leaks out there suggesting that Langer's emotions aren't stable enough for that role.

If he is not happy, Cummins that is, have the balls to go before the camera and say so. Don't let others do his dirty work for him.
Langer put his balls on the line taking on the undisciplined players, including Cummins, after South Africa.He put his reputation on the line.
Let Cummins come forward to either say I don't want him. Or say he has nothing to do with the rumours.

 

[BStaff17]

If he is not happy, Cummins that is, have the balls to go before the camera and say so. Don't let others do his dirty work for him.
Langer put his balls on the line taking on the undisciplined players, including Cummins, after South Africa.He put his reputation on the line.
Let Cummins come forward to either say I don't want him. Or say he has nothing to do with the rumours.

CA have already spoken to Cummins and by the looks of it those conversations have been kept confidential for the time being so who knows what he may have said. It could have been i don't care ill leave it up to you guys CA board to decide Langer's fate.

Cummins shouldn't have to owe Langer anything he wasn't part of the sandpaper crew in South Africa and he was one of the few that had their reputations in tact after that debacle.

Look Langer has done a solid job history will look back at his tenure better then Lehmann's despite Lehmann probably having more success.

And I think this is more that CA have treated him poorly and made this process a dogs breakfast by stringing it along.

If the board wanted this outcome now by getting rid of him they probably would have been better off sacking him back in august when stocks were low if the results of the past 6 months wouldn't have changed the final outcome.

 

[anchor man]

CA have already spoken to Cummins and by the looks of it those conversations have been kept confidential for the time being so who knows what he may have said. It could have been i don't care ill leave it up to you guys CA board to decide Langer's fate.

Cummins shouldn't have to owe Langer anything he wasn't part of the sandpaper crew in South Africa and he was one of the few that had their reputations in tact after that debacle.

Look Langer has done a solid job history will look back at his tenure better then Lehmann's despite Lehmann probably having more success.

And I think this is more that CA have treated him poorly and made this process a dogs breakfast by stringing it along.

If the board wanted this outcome now by getting rid of him they probably would have been better off sacking him back in august when stocks were low if the results of the past 6 months wouldn't have changed the final outcome.

Cummins was part of the team in South Africa. Maybe Langer kicked his arse for some reason.
The point is, if Cummins is behind the stoush now, be a man and come forward. Don't hide behind CA. Show some balls.

 

[big_e]

If you don't think it's about results, you're kidding yourself.
It's always about results.

Cummins has been captain for all of 5 tests.
I don't agree with letting the tail wag the dog.

They might not agree on everything, but I'm sure they're mature enough to make it work.

You're not doing it right.

Cummins has only been captain against England, and they were shit, so it doesn't count.

Or something like that.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Cummins was part of the team in South Africa. Maybe Langer kicked his arse for some reason.
The point is, if Cummins is behind the stoush now, be a man and come forward. Don't hide behind CA. Show some balls.

He may well have given the information to CA. Cummins doesn’t need to do it publicly you know…

 

[Kwality]

You cant have your captain and coach not on the same page in any sporting team its not going to work.

Conventional thinking BUT the score is on the Board for Langer.

The T20 was achieved with the captain injured & we have just won the Ashes - who is going to equal that?

The leaking around Langer suggest someone (or more) is backgrounding the media pushing for Langer to go. IF this results in Bayliss replacing him, questions of who & why that decision is being made will rumble the game for years.

 

[anchor man]

He may well have given the information to CA. Cummins doesn’t need to do it publicly you know…

Why not. If he is prepared to knife the coach , how could he ever be trusted again!!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Why not. If he is prepared to knife the coach , how could he ever be trusted again!!

He flat out doesn’t have to it’s that simple. It’s no one’s business aside from CA who are making the decision. Just let them make an informed decision which will come out in due course .

 

[anchor man]

He flat out doesn’t have to it’s that simple. It’s no one’s business aside from CA who are making the decision. Just let them make an informed decision which will come out in due course .

What ever you think.

 

[Kwality]

He flat out doesn’t have to it’s that simple. It’s no one’s business aside from CA who are making the decision. Just let them make an informed decision which will come out in due course .

IF CA say: 'thanks but see ya, you cleaned up the mess of the sandpapergate, back to steady as she goes, we'll take it from here ...' I cant see cricket fans being as kind as they were to Cricket Australia over the failures in South Africa.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

IF CA say: 'thanks but see ya, you cleaned up the mess of the sandpapergate, back to steady as she goes, we'll take it from here ...' I cant see cricket fans being as kind as they were to Cricket Australia over the failures in South Africa.

4 years is a decent stint for any coach regardless. I’m more than happy to give him another year. However despite all the pats on the back he hasn’t won a test series away from home and before you say the Ashes in England it was a drawn series and we were lucky Smith scored a bucket.

 

[anchor man]

4 years is a decent stint for any coach regardless. I’m more than happy to give him another year. However despite all the pats on the back he hasn’t won a test series away from home and before you say the Ashes in England it was a drawn series and we were lucky Smith scored a bucket.

Crickey, a pity we had to have a batsman that scored run.That is a pathetic response/Like saying the Poms were lucky because of the Stokes master class.
Get real.

 

[Kwality]

There's more chance of Shane Warne writing a glowing reference for John Buchanan than there is of Malcolm Conn writing an impartial article about Langer

This Conn fella was a CA insider :2014-2021 Senior Manager External Communications with Cricket Australia and Cricket NSW

Now, Chief Cricket Writer

The Sydney Morning Herald​

Apr 2021 - Present11 months
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Running the charge to get rid of Langer:

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"But they’re sort of not part of, I suppose you’d say, the engine room of what takes part in Australian cricket."

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Liam Bartlett's fiery exchange with cricket writer over his Justin Langer stories

Cricket writer Malcolm Conn has himself come under fire for lighting a blowtorch on Justin Langer’s future as Australian cricket coach. Conn wrote an article on Tuesday that claimed the West Australian cricket legend had a “meltdown” during an interview on his future with Cricket Australia’s CEO...

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Conn wrote an article on Tuesday that claimed the West Australian cricket legend had a “meltdown” during an interview on his future with Cricket Australia’s CEO and high performance manager on Friday. CA on Tuesday said there were “false claims” in Conn’s story ahead of a meeting on Langer’s future this Friday.'

 

[Kwality]

4 years is a decent stint for any coach regardless. I’m more than happy to give him another year. However despite all the pats on the back he hasn’t won a test series away from home and before you say the Ashes in England it was a drawn series and we were lucky Smith scored a bucket.

I dont disagree.
Its the way this 'review' is being undertaken that 'stinks to high heaven'.

CA are a disgrace administratively & Langer has got the on field stuff performing which is more than can be said for the off field part of the game.

 

[BStaff17]

Conventional thinking BUT the score is on the Board for Langer.

The T20 was achieved with the captain injured & we have just won the Ashes - who is going to equal that?

The leaking around Langer suggest someone (or more) is backgrounding the media pushing for Langer to go. IF this results in Bayliss replacing him, questions of who & why that decision is being made will rumble the game for years.

Winning the Ashes at home isn't some holy grail and massive achievement that its made out to be considering the way England perform 90% of the time out here. Other then 2010/11 they haven't been competitive out here in my life time since the mid 90s.

How many tests have England won in Australia if you take out that one series they won in the last 30 years.

They have just 3 wins in 35 tests and all 3 wins were in dead rubbers.

Last year we lost to a beaten up Indian team at home in tests.

Why is the issue if Bayliss replaces him.

It isn't some NSW conspiracy that people seemed concerned with.

Its the CA board and then obivously some players are burnt out by Langer after 4 years that seems to be the issue.

Players are happy for McDonald to take over. They are happy to give Di Venuto and Ronnie credit for their roles in public.

Plus if your Bayliss or McDonald why would you want the gig right now. Your better off waiting 12 months and let Langer stay in charge for the brutal tours of Asia and see how we go.

IMO Langer should get 12-18 more months then ride off into the sunset.

But Langer seems to want 4 more years and an incomptent CA don't want to give him that and have turned this whole thing into a mess.

 

[Gough]

It seems Langer is pretty intent on making it about him given all his mates who've given voice in the press to support him which seems at odds with his expressed team first ethos. Results aside it's hard to believe that Langer is putting the team first when he's trying to insert himself into a dressing room where it's been suggested a good section of the team don't really want him there.

 

[Westend]

what is? hazlewoods quote or the story after story saying exactly that? the player mutiny actually happened you know this right? langers role was reduced after the mutiny this is widely known outside of it some WA blokes on bigfooty believing langers abrasive coaching style was what won them the 20/20 wc and ashes.

LOL some of you blokes believe it was the coin toss that won the world cup ....

turn it up

again gets blamed when we lose and gets no credit when we win....yes langer has flaws and was told to tone it down and he did ...what's wrong with that ??

they way he is getting treated atm is a f**king disgrace

 

[LukeParkerno1]

LOL some of you blokes believe it was the coin toss that won the world cup ....

turn it up

again gets blamed when we lose and gets no credit when we win....yes langer has flaws and was told to tone it down and he did ...what's wrong with that ??

they way he is getting treated atm is a f**king disgrace

You can’t say the toss wasn’t crucial there- very rare teams batted first and won. It was a huge factor. It wasn’t the only factor we played good cricket especially the final aside from Starc and his pies.

Just let things sort itself out it will be fine CA will make a decision based on facts.

 

[010203]

Conventional thinking BUT the score is on the Board for Langer.

The T20 was achieved with the captain injured & we have just won the Ashes - who is going to equal that?

The leaking around Langer suggest someone (or more) is backgrounding the media pushing for Langer to go. IF this results in Bayliss replacing him, questions of who & why that decision is being made will rumble the game for years.

Winning a home Ashes series is a big deal for nationalistic, chest thumping purposes but it's not the huge cricket achievement it once was.

In the last 40 years England have won just 2 series here. In that time, they've won just 9 tests out of a possible 55 on our shores.

England's ineptitude isn't Langer's fault but winning a home series against them really isn't that big an achievement at the moment. It's simply a case of job done and taking care of business.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Winning a home Ashes series is a big deal for nationalistic, chest thumping purposes but it's not the huge cricket achievement it once was.

In the last 40 years England have won just 2 series here. In that time, they've won just 9 tests out of a possible 55 on our shores.

England's ineptitude isn't Langer's fault but winning a home series against them really isn't that big an achievement at the moment. It's simply a case of job done and taking care of business.

He can’t really do any more than win though can he no matter who the opponent is

CA have completely ballsed this up no matter which side of the fence you are on

 

[frankrizzo]

LOL some of you blokes believe it was the coin toss that won the world cup ....

turn it up

again gets blamed when we lose and gets no credit when we win....yes langer has flaws and was told to tone it down and he did ...what's wrong with that ??

they way he is getting treated atm is a f**king disgrace

Did you reply to the wrong person?

I was talking about the fact langer did take on a vastly reduced role in the side in recent times and that was backed up by a quote from a senior player in hazlewood those are his words not mine, i have never mentioned anything about coin tosses at 20/20 as frankly i don't care.

 

[frankrizzo]

He can’t really do any more than win though can he no matter who the opponent is

CA have completely ballsed this up no matter which side of the fence you are on

The reduced role thing is the issue, if things were so broken that the players came to CA and langer had to be pushed to the margins then he should have just been removed then and if things arent actually that bad he should have been allowed to coach in his usual way but the issue on this board is some flat out refuse to accept that the players did mutiny last winter its not a rumour and langer did have his role vastly changed after that mutiny that is not a rumour.

The ones here flat out refusing to acknowledge these two issues are simply arguing in bad faith when they say langer has a clear case to be retained based on the ashes as it ignored the preceding 6 months where the players mutinied and where his role was vastly changed.

The burning issue is which version of langer would get the extension? the one who had to take a back seat after the mutiny or the more hands on version that led to the player revolt in the first place?

If it's the reduced role i cant see how they could justify giving him a long term deal but could at least understand why they offered a short term contract, if it's langer now having a mandate to go back to the level of his control he had before the mutiny then he could be offered the long term extension but of course the question then remains will the players want to play long term under that version of langer?

CA have to weigh all this stuff up based on player feedback they are getting even if you guys don't think it matters, in a world where players can make millions from domestic 20/20 you cant just ignore what the stars of the team think thats just reality and part of cricket business these days.

 

[Westend]

CA have to weigh all this stuff up based on player feedback they are getting even if you guys don't think it matters, in a world where players can make millions from domestic 20/20 you cant just ignore what the stars of the team think thats just reality and part of cricket business these days.

Yeah players pushing there own agenda to suit there own interests in front of what is best for the team is not what I want from a Australian cricket team.

The only thing CA has to weigh up is RESULTS....because I'll give you the tip that when we start losing...CA officials should better start looking over there shoulder because I guarantee there positions will be under the pump and who cares if the players get on with the coach or not

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah players pushing there own agenda to suit there own interests in front of what is best for the team is not what I want from a Australian cricket team.

The only thing CA has to weigh up is RESULTS....because I'll give you the tip that when we start losing...CA officials should better start looking over there shoulder because I guarantee there positions will be under the pump and who cares if the players get on with the coach or not

These same “results” that were got belted by India at home correct

 

[Around the Wicket]

The players are big headed, they have done absolute zero over seas.