Coach Grumpy

[footyfan1978]

To be fair langer will likely get offered more money and years coaching elsewhere so that plus how upset he would have been with the process i can understand why he rejected it.

Chances are, Poms will sack their man and offer the job to JL.
What a dumb cricket board.

 

[footyfan1978]

Funny how Cricket Australia wanted and needed a culture change after sandpapergate. Langer comes in and does so. Yet players are babies and dislike it. Now CA reverts back to the same toxic culture it began with. The original duo in Warner and Smith comes back. No surprise

It certainly can be read that way. Doubt it really as black and white as that.

 

[footyfan1978]

No its not an excellent day for cricket

For English cricket it might be.
If they get JL they will improve big time.

 

[anchor man]

Chances are, Poms will sack their man and offer the job to JL.
What a dumb cricket board.

Silverwood has already gone.
It would be pretty hard work trying to get the Poms to toe the line with the current crop of players. Especially the more senior ones.

 

[Jamurp]

Anyone know roughly how much The Australian cricket coach gets paid? (understand it probably varies). It would be a tough gig given the time commitments, I know Ricky Ponting has said he simply couldn't do the job due to that reason, and prefers doing his T20 coaching with commentary stuff.

 

[melanChronic]

Are people fair dinkum with their criticisms of Cummins over all this? All he's done is dead bat a few loaded lines of inquiry. Pretty standard these days and preferable to the "we back him 100%" AFLspeak a few days before a coach is deposed. You can't hang the man because he didn't say what you wanted him to say. The fact that you've got Matt Hayden for company on this stance should start ringing some alarm bells.

It seems that some have turned their backs to Cummins as soon as they saw him drinking a kombucha during a rain delay. Personally I am glad to see an Australian captain actively lead the the team following his own vision. We haven't seen it since Clarke, who was a terrible man-manager but and least had an attacking and daring style that he got everyone heading in the same direction with onfield. Excited to see how Cummins continues in his style on the tough tours ahead.

 

[Retzlaff]

Anyone know roughly how much The Australian cricket coach gets paid? (understand it probably varies). It would be a tough gig given the time commitments, I know Ricky Ponting has said he simply couldn't do the job due to that reason, and prefers doing his T20 coaching with commentary stuff.

Langer was getting 900k pa

 

[footyfan1978]

Silverwood has already gone.
It would be pretty hard work trying to get the Poms to toe the line with the current crop of players. Especially the more senior ones.

Exactly.
A challenge that he may accept if offered enough and willing to move over there for a good length of time.

 

[Phone]

Funny how Cricket Australia wanted and needed a culture change after sandpapergate. Langer comes in and does so. Yet players are babies and dislike it. Now CA reverts back to the same toxic culture it began with. The original duo in Warner and Smith comes back. No surprise

I think as Brettig somewhat points out in his article today, expecting a key player from the 1990s/2000s team who continues to take counsel from other key players of that team to be a culture changer when the events of Sandpapergate essentially built on 20 years of arrogant Australian cricket is perhaps a bit odd. Certainly Pat Cummins who openly doesn't care for "mental disintegration" would appear to be more likely to change the culture (which may be why it appears that Cummins doesn't particularly care if Langer goes)

 

[JackOutback]

I think people are rewriting history a bit with this bloke. Again seems like a case of setting the bar low because of what came previously like with Paine’s captaincy.

Didn’t seem like a terrible coach. But I thought him and Paine were fairly poor in that series in England. Smith’s brilliance saved the team. They got rolled at home by India by an Indian side down several players.

People are talking him up for the T20 win and the recent Ashes series. Is that really that impressive? Probably the worst English side to hit our shores. The T20 win was good sure but we all know that’s not what coaches are there for.

He probably would have done enough o stick around if he wasn’t so hard for the players to get on.

Sure people can use the standard generation soft sort of cliches. But judging off what has been said about Langer he is tiring to be around. This old school idea that you can only be a good coach if everyone is fearful of you and constantly expecting to be screamed at is nonsense.

A lot of great coaches in all kinds of sports create great relationships with their players.

Regardless yet another pathetic handling of a situation by Cricket Australia. Absolutely laughable organisation.

The truth is somewhere in the middle; second best coaching record behind Buchanan despite missing his two best players for a year, first person to retain the Ashes in England in almost 20 years, first T20 title. A good coach combines tactics with people management but it seems like had taken that on board over the last year. CA dithered, refused to make a proper decision, so he took the decision out of their hands. Don’t think CA or the players come out of this looking good.

 

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[footyfan1978]

The truth is somewhere in the middle; second best coaching record behind Buchanan despite missing his two best players for a year, first person to retain the Ashes in England in almost 20 years, first T20 title. A good coach combines tactics with people management but it seems like had taken that on board over the last year. CA dithered, refused to make a proper decision, so he took the decision out of their hands. Don’t think CA or the players come out of this looking good.

It is only CA that comes out looking in poor shape.
I do not accept the nonsense projection by some the player group cops flak.
Players are their to play. The coaching appointment and length of contract is fully on CA.
I do not think CA has been as badly run as it is now in some decades.
Thankfully Cummins looks a good leader and Langer has improved them and leaves them in good shape as player group so I not worried about the actual team in next couple of years. More concerned with the CA and how it might **** up Aussie cricket by the end of decades if same board and CEO in place for rest of this decade.

 

[deanc]

Are people fair dinkum with their criticisms of Cummins over all this? All he's done is dead bat a few loaded lines of inquiry. Pretty standard these days and preferable to the "we back him 100%" AFLspeak a few days before a coach is deposed. You can't hang the man because he didn't say what you wanted him to say. The fact that you've got Matt Hayden for company on this stance should start ringing some alarm bells.

It seems that some have turned their backs to Cummins as soon as they saw him drinking a kombucha during a rain delay. Personally I am glad to see an Australian captain actively lead the the team following his own vision. We haven't seen it since Clarke, who was a terrible man-manager but and least had an attacking and daring style that he got everyone heading in the same direction with onfield. Excited to see how Cummins continues in his style on the tough tours ahead.

I'm not sure too many people are actually criticizing Cummins. I suspect a few are perhaps being seduced by the media grubs trying to implicate Australia's skipper for 5 minutes into this outcome, simply because he refused to offer them a headline..!

 

[to1994]

Bizarre take that Langer is in any way to blame for drawing that series. The players shat the bed/lost the game at Headingly and Langer was surprised by Paine's decision to bowl first in the final Test...

"The decision certainly took coach Justin Langer by surprise, but Langer told ABC Grandstand after play that he had to be prepared to back the captain's decisions on the field, including at the toss."

I think it'd be unfair to blame Langer, however what is the Coach actually for? Marcus Harris' batting woes for example are not JL's fault, no coach is going to fix a player at this level, it's too late for that.

So if it's not technical, it's mental, it's planning, that's all the Coach has control over and more than once under his tenure Australia have completely lost the plot when we were put under pressure in the 4th Innings.

Paine's decision was stupid, but it suggests to me he's never really had any sort of relationship with the Captains if they're going out for the toss and he's got no idea what their plan is.

Is he a bad coach? Has he performed badly? Maybe, maybe not but he's lost the players which should really be enough when his results have been solid at best.

 

[Westend]

Are people fair dinkum with their criticisms of Cummins over all this? All he's done is dead bat a few loaded lines of inquiry. Pretty standard these days and preferable to the "we back him 100%" AFLspeak a few days before a coach is deposed. You can't hang the man because he didn't say what you wanted him to say. The fact that you've got Matt Hayden for company on this stance should start ringing some alarm bells.

It seems that some have turned their backs to Cummins as soon as they saw him drinking a kombucha during a rain delay. Personally I am glad to see an Australian captain actively lead the the team following his own vision. We haven't seen it since Clarke, who was a terrible man-manager but and least had an attacking and daring style that he got everyone heading in the same direction with onfield. Excited to see how Cummins continues in his style on the tough tours ahead.

Yeah they are like it or not this is a black mark on cummins.....he didn't publicly back the coach and was part of the senior group to knife/backstab the coach

and if Bayliss gets appointed that's only going to strengthen that case that's why I would be looking for someone other than Bayliss

Clear the air start afresh and go for a gilliespie or Punter....Punter would be great but he has media commitments etc

 

[to1994]

The truth is somewhere in the middle; second best coaching record behind Buchanan despite missing his two best players for a year, first person to retain the Ashes in England in almost 20 years, first T20 title. A good coach combines tactics with people management but it seems like had taken that on board over the last year. CA dithered, refused to make a proper decision, so he took the decision out of their hands. Don’t think CA or the players come out of this looking good.

What are you basing that on as claiming he's got the second best coaching record is highly suspect. Given we've barely toured under his tenture makes that pretty irrelevant to me.

 

[Tugga27]

Offering him a 6 month contract/extension was insulting.

No wonder he told them to stick it.

 

[big_e]

Sigh.

Yes, how terrible it is that a man publically supports his friend.

FFS....

 

[Tugga27]

What are you basing that on as claiming he's got the second best coaching record is highly suspect. Given we've barely toured under his tenture makes that pretty irrelevant to me.

Surely he has to be judged on wins and losses.

His record currently means he should have never been in this position.

 

[Westend]

I'm not sure too many people are actually criticizing Cummins. I suspect a few are perhaps being seduced by the media grubs trying to implicate Australia's skipper for 5 minutes into this outcome, simply because he refused to offer them a headline..!

He did offer them a headline by not backing the coach or not which the media has had a field day with

The speculation is there Cummins and Co knifed the coach to get Cummins mate bayliss in....that's not going to go away in fact its going to intensify

 

[Phone]

Offering him a 6 month contract/extension was insulting.

No wonder he told them to stick it.

His contract appears to expire on the 30th of June. He was offered a full year extension to the 30th of June 2023. He choose not to take that and quit with 4 months on his current contract.

EDIT I see Lalor is suggesting it was indeed 6 months, which isn't quite a date that makes sense

 

[JackOutback]

What are you basing that on as claiming he's got the second best coaching record is highly suspect. Given we've barely toured under his tenture makes that pretty irrelevant to me.

55 per cent winning record. Agree it comes with caveats (limited touring but also missing players for a year, cuts both ways) but the record speaks for itself.

 

[swanssince2002]

I don't blame Langer if he wanted to sign up for England... they'd probably take him in a heartbeat despite their own challenges ahead.

Think Gillespie and/or McDonald will be candidates for the Australian job.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I back Cummins 100%. The coach has minimal impact on results and the last thing you want is an obsessive compupsive coach having a go at the players every 5 minutes.
The captain should be in charge.

 

[deanc]

Yeah they are like it or not this is a black mark on cummins.....he didn't publicly back the coach and was part of the senior group to knife/backstab the coach

and if Bayliss gets appointed that's only going to strengthen that case that's why I would be looking for someone other than Bayliss

Clear the air start afresh and go for a gilliespie or Punter....Punter would be great but he has media commitments etc

Respectfully, there's little sense in anything you just posted..!

A black mark on Cummins - you mean a skipper that has been in the job for 5 minutes wisely refusing to give the media a headline..?

Bayliss is predominately a media suggestion, stranger things have happened but I doubt he even wants the position..?

Clear what air - Australia just won the T20 WC and the Ashes 4-0, you mean the air of success..?
And if we are to believe some media reports that a few senior snowflake players were not happy with JL's apparent discipline and demanding coaching style, I can assure you JL is a fluffy bunny compared to RT Ponting..!