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Purple Suit said:
Lost the players while winning is.

That’s why the players come out of this looking like pre-madonnas and CA spent more time trying to spin the story over the past 3 months than doing something about it.
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he actually lost the players while we were struggling , he then accepted a vastly reduced role and 20/20 ashes success followed that removal of much of his power.

The player mutiny and subsequent changing of langers role was before the 20/20 or the ashes took place so the issue wasn't him losing the players while winning it was that his role in that time wasn't enough to win back the players he had already lost he simply couldn't get them to buy in to the idea of him being long term coach (with you would assume increased power to last 6 months) if he could he would have been given a long term offer well before this.
 
frankrizzo said:
he actually lost the players while we were struggling and losing, he then accepted a vastly reduced role and 20/20 ashes success followed that removal of much of his power.

The player mutiny and subsequent changing of langers role was before the 20/20 or the ashes took place so the issue wasn't him losing the players while winning it was that his role in that time wasn't enough to win back the players he had already lost he simply couldn't get them to buy in to the idea of him being long term coach (with you would assume increased power to last 6 months) if he could he would have been given a long term offer well before this.
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I got the feeling that the players were happy for him to coach their game but being moulded into the sort of men that he'd be happy to marry his daughters wasn't really part of his remit.
 
deanc said:
Concur. As usual most will have to wait until certain future biographies are released to learn the level of media white-anting here? We do know the media succeeded in destroying Paine's career by basically portraying him as a criminal..!
I do look forward to hearing Langer asking the media to clarify their innuendo and speculation and publicly state which players were allegedly not happy with his coaching style - although I doubt he'll be given the platform to do so...
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It’s next level atm. I just read a Geoff Lawson article suggesting Langer wasn’t qualified and we need career coaches of at least 30 years - eg. Bayliss. Playing doesn’t count in his eyes as cricket experience and Langer should have won a shield first.

He ignores that he had the team mostly winning the big events and goes on to credit the culture change of the team to Paine & Cummins like Langer had nothing to do with it.

Within 2 weeks CA will have the media pretending Langer was never the coach. Justin who?
 
frankrizzo said:
he actually lost the players while we were struggling , he then accepted a vastly reduced role and 20/20 ashes success followed that removal of much of his power.

The player mutiny and subsequent changing of langers role was before the 20/20 or the ashes took place so the issue wasn't him losing the players while winning it was that his role in that time wasn't enough to win back the players he had already lost he simply couldn't get them to buy in to the idea of him being long term coach (with you would assume increased power to last 6 months) if he could he would have been given a long term offer well before this.
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This is the story CA has been spinning for the past three months yet Langer was fronting the media in a “reduced role”. I call bullshit.
 

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Purple Suit said:
This is the story CA has been spinning for the past three months yet Langer was fronting the media in a “reduced role”. I call bullshit.
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After the last year’s Indian fiasco a reduced role is fair enough
 
Purple Suit said:
This is the story CA has been spinning for the past three months yet Langer was fronting the media in a “reduced role”. I call bullshit.
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well yeah if they were gonna have McDonald do all the press conferences too they really would have had no option but to sack Langer last year.
 
Purple Suit said:
It’s next level atm. I just read a Geoff Lawson article suggesting Langer wasn’t qualified and we need career coaches of at least 30 years - eg. Bayliss. Playing doesn’t count in his eyes as cricket experience and Langer should have won a shield first.

He ignores that he had the team mostly winning the big events and goes on to credit the culture change of the team to Paine & Cummins like Langer had nothing to do with it.

Within 2 weeks CA will have the media pretending Langer was never the coach. Justin who?
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Yeah sure Geoff, let's just forget who needed who after Sandpapergate..? Most prospective replacements for Lehman were not answering their phones..!!!

"Thank you for calling Ricky Ponting, please leave a message after the tone"...
 
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Langer could well end up as the English coach. It will be interesting to see if CA offer the new incumbent a contract longer than 6 months.
 
Phone said:
Selfish enough too, which is fine, people are selfish, but the words were written onto the wall months ago. He could have quietly walked away and instead choose to pursue a contract that was never happening, safe in the knowledge that he would win the PR battle.
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CA were playing a game that was never going to end happily for either combatants.
CA have a very bad record of screwing things up.
They expected Langer to roll over, but then again, they did not realise just how strong a person Langer is.
CA were and still are run by jerks.
 
anchor man said:
CA were playing a game that was never going to end happily for either combatants.
CA have a very bad record of screwing things up.
They expected Langer to roll over, but then again, they did not realise just how strong a person Langer is.
CA were and still are run by jerks.
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I mean, he's walking away without the job so CA still won the game comfortably. They would have liked a PR stalemate too but Langer was either too stupid to see the writing on the wall or wanted to make life tough for CA and the players on his way out, which is his right, but I suspect probably won't make CA think they've made the wrong call.
 
Mark Waugh , certainly not an intense person might need to drag him away from the horse racing maybe but he would be popular .

Adam Voges would be right in line seems a ripper bloke but away from family would be tough .

That's all I got , not the greatest job experience of late to go by .
 

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Langer hadn’t really finished his job either i still see a lot of ****wittery in Smith and Marnus, although Warner looks to have shown a lot of humility.
 
I've no problem with the decision.
It is what it is.

The handling has been disgraceful though.
If the board thinks he's not the man for the job, and they obviously do, just sack him, don't
offer an insulting extension.
 
Purple Suit said:
It’s next level atm. I just read a Geoff Lawson article suggesting Langer wasn’t qualified and we need career coaches of at least 30 years - eg. Bayliss. Playing doesn’t count in his eyes as cricket experience and Langer should have won a shield first.

He ignores that he had the team mostly winning the big events and goes on to credit the culture change of the team to Paine & Cummins like Langer had nothing to do with it.

Within 2 weeks CA will have the media pretending Langer was never the coach. Justin who?
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Lawson criticising someone from WA, shock me 😱
 
Phone said:
Selfish enough too, which is fine, people are selfish, but the words were written onto the wall months ago. He could have quietly walked away and instead choose to pursue a contract that was never happening, safe in the knowledge that he would win the PR battle.
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Yes, how dare he not play ball on message management with an organisation that's spent six months backgrounding against him - the shame!
 
Purple Suit said:
It’s next level atm. I just read a Geoff Lawson article suggesting Langer wasn’t qualified and we need career coaches of at least 30 years - eg. Bayliss. Playing doesn’t count in his eyes as cricket experience and Langer should have won a shield first.

He ignores that he had the team mostly winning the big events and goes on to credit the culture change of the team to Paine & Cummins like Langer had nothing to do with it.

Within 2 weeks CA will have the media pretending Langer was never the coach. Justin who?
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I guess Lawson won't apply for the job...
 

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Demons09 said:
Langer hadn’t really finished his job either i still see a lot of *******tery in Smith and Marnus, although Warner looks to have shown a lot of humility.
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He didn’t want a 6 month extension which was more than reasonable.
 
Phone said:
I mean, he's walking away without the job so CA still won the game comfortably. They would have liked a PR stalemate too but Langer was either too stupid to see the writing on the wall or wanted to make life tough for CA and the players on his way out, which is his right, but I suspect probably won't make CA think they've made the wrong call.
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Lol the PR battle isn’t looking good for CA or the captain just by reading social media and the media, i mean that probably means ****all but i thought that with sand paper gate as well.
 
Purple Suit said:
This is the story CA has been spinning for the past three months yet Langer was fronting the media in a “reduced role”. I call bullshit.
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There is even a direct quote from a senior player in hazlewood talking about langer taking a backseat in recent times i put that on a post a few pages back, the reports of the mutiny and langers loss of power are widespread the only place it is even in any doubt as actually being the ground reality is this forum from what i can see, its why its so hard to have a genuine discussion here as so many have just decided to run with their alternate reality that no mutiny happened or even if it did happen langer was somehow running the show same as always the last 6 months.

If somebody's starting point is using so obviously wrong information of course they could never understand why langer wasnt immediately given a new long term deal.
 
Lawson's criticism for the most part in that article was directed at all the ex-players quickly turned high level coaches in familiar surroundings which I think is a very fair criticism of Australian cricket recently. Langer himself is such an example, but Adam Voges, Brad Haddin & Chris Rogers are all recent examples too of players retiring and going straight into a coaching role either with their state or the Australian cricket team that they only just left. McDonald at least coached in England before returning to Victoria, and Jaques started with QLD before moving back to NSW.

Given how often people like to look trendy by reminiscing about grade cricket and the like, I would have thought Lawson's position of wanting more coaches working their way up would be applauded loudly......
 
anchor man said:
CA were playing a game that was never going to end happily for either combatants.
CA have a very bad record of screwing things up.
They expected Langer to roll over, but then again, they did not realise just how strong a person Langer is.
CA were and still are run by jerks.
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CA are muppets! JL, irrespective of what he's done well or not, is a fighter! If CA expect he'll just retire into obscurity and tend to his back garden, they could be in for a shock..! It won't get back his job, but he'll ruthlessly defend who he is and what he stands for...

Speaking of ruthless, this outcome maybe easier to understand/accept, if there was an outstanding candidate/replacement knocking on the door..?
 

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