Coach Grumpy

[Kappa]

Nah not a chance. He was being a politician. Weak. Honest would have been saying he wanted a change and i would have respected him for that.

How can a captain publicly say that want a change for a contracted coach? Do you seriously think that's a good idea? Are u all there?

 

[deanc]

He was still given an extension which would have taken him to next home summer. Personally that’s actually fair enough. Prove yourself that you can win overseas. Langer hasn’t shown that. Sometimes the hard decision is the correct one, more than happy with this call.

C'mon LP, that nonsense mate. Name me another Australian national coach of any sport who has ever been offered a pathetic 6 month contract extension? This was merely a strategy to prompt Langer's resignation, so why did they even bother with such an insult..?

This just smells of a power play to remove anything related to the former CA powerbrokers and their decisions...

 

[Westend]

Not lose test series’ at HOME. We lost to India without half their team

Yeah but didn't we lose the toss that was huge factor for us losing to india as winning the toss in world cup t20 world cup was........tic

He’s the one that didn’t rest bowlers when they were cooked. He is also the one that played the wrong batsmen.

LOL so langers to blame for all losses and all selections....there are other selectors as well luke

According to your posts during that india series you where very harsh on starc pies ....as i recall?? plus lyon not be able to turn it and bowling darts..... so was that langers fault as well ??

Again langers to blame for all the losses but deserves no credit for the wins....lol

Whats going to happen when we start losing you are going to blame then??

 

[big_e]

Your right nobody's perfect.

But losing last year to a busted India wasn't acceptable though. There was no excuse. That was a series you shouldn't lose. Some selctions were questionable.

Throw in the environment last summer was obivously poisonous as the rumblings about Langer began a week after that series loss.

It was one bad test.

They beat us in Melbourne with one of their all-time great attacks, it was only in Brisbane that they had that many out.

And if that's the case, they should have sacked him then and there'd be no argument. By having such a great summer, they've been put in a position where they just look stupid now.

 

[Kappa]

Which recently retired NSW players are there Clarke? SOK?

Michael Clarke has aged so much recently, can barely recognise him. Looks about 51

 

[reggie]

Yeah but didn't we lose the toss that was huge factor for us losing to india as winning the toss in world cup t20 world cup was........tic

LOL so langers to blame for all losses and all selections....there are other selectors as well luke

According to your posts during that india series you where very harsh on starc pies ....as i recall?? plus lyon not be able to turn it and bowling darts..... so was that langers fault as well ??

Again langers to blame for all the losses but deserves no credit for the wins....lol

Whats going to happen when we start losing you are going to blame then??

I like the argument about not being able to win away from home. There were only two away test tours during Langer’s reign, one of which was against Pakistan in UAE following the South Africa debacle and the 1-0 loss was seen as more than acceptable by everyone at the time. The other was the drawn Ashes series, probably should have been a win but still Australia’s best result in England since 2001. The new coach will have more opportunities in his first nine months

 

[Scotland]

Not lose test series’ at HOME. We lost to India without half their team

According to some on here the Ashes 4-0 was down to the players.

So.......

 

[Broar]

This just smells of a power play to remove anything related to the former CA powerbrokers and their decisions...

What are you even on about? It doesn't smell of anything. It's pretty obvious CA are highly incompetent, just look at how they handled sandpapergate and Paine. They lost control of the narrative and were a bumbling stumbling mess all along the way.

But that doesn't change the fact that Langer was an unhinged micromanager who was put on notice well over a year ago. Given the recent success you'd naturally assume that would secure any coaches long term future but seeing as all he could get out of CA was a measly 6 month extension shows that he hadn't changed.

 

[Scotland]

What are you even on about? It doesn't smell of anything. It's pretty obvious CA are highly incompetent, just look at how they handled sandpapergate and Paine. They lost control of the narrative and were a bumbling stumbling mess all along the way.

But that doesn't change the fact that Langer was an unhinged micromanager who was put on notice well over a year ago. Given the recent success you'd naturally assume that would secure any coaches long term future but seeing as all he could get out of CA was a measly 6 month extension shows that he hadn't changed.

So why drag it out with trial by media?

If Langer is as described, why offer an extension at all? He's been in the CA system for 30 years.

 

[Scotland]

Next coach might get the GOAT Lyon to pitch the ball a touch further up and try to spin it to hit off stump a la Ashwin. Bowled and LBW's so important in this run of sub-continent Tests.

FYI, Ashwin get about 41% of his wickets Bowled/LBW, Lyon 25%

Ashwin has played 67% of his tests in Asia, Lyon 18%.

 

[Broar]

So why drag it out with trial by media?

If Langer is as described, why offer an extension at all? He's been in the CA system for 30 years.

Because CA are incompetent who are too gunshy to make the tough decision when necessary. Honestly how on earth can you have an 8 hour board meeting and decide we'll give the guy a 6 months extension. It's madness. If his flaws are that big that he can't be trusted with anything longer then he should've just been moved on.

 

[to1994]

Where’s all this talk of Langer backing in the wrong guys coming from. The team looks about as good as it can be given the players available, he cut Wade, who was the right man for England but his time had come, backed in Head and Green, who delivered in spades. Brought in Jyhe, Boland. The only player he backed in that didn’t perform was Harris and the cupboard for openers is pretty bare. And they still made the decision to cut him at the end.

Yep, can't argue with that.

I feel he couldn't continue once it was clear the Captain didn't want him but Lukeparker and others suggestions that he was picking based on personal bias is nonsense.

Are we forgetting that Labuschagne was brought in pretty much as soon as he took over? Imagine how dire our batting would look if Smith had his current rut and Labs hadn't yet been identified as being Test quality.

We'd be banking everything on Travis Head.

 

[Scotland]

Where’s all this talk of Langer backing in the wrong guys coming from. The team looks about as good as it can be given the players available, he cut Wade, who was the right man for England but his time had come, backed in Head and Green, who delivered in spades. Brought in Jyhe, Boland. The only player he backed in that didn’t perform was Harris and the cupboard for openers is pretty bare. And they still made the decision to cut him at the end.

Not being in the inner sanctum, did he champion these guys? Our selectors are Langer, George Bailey and Trevor Hohns. Is it known who wanted whom? Even if Langer pushed Richo (WA) or Hazlewood (incumbent) and someone else pushed Boland... so what? That's why we have a committee.

I agree 100% our team is about as good as it could be given the players available. Like many I was surprised we brought in Boland for the third test, but it worked out alright. If Langer was in the locker room saying 'I didn't want you, you are no good' to Boland then maybe CA are right he's not the man for the job, but I doubt that. Boland didn't play like a guy who wasn't welcome.

I've always been a bit of a Warney-esque skeptic about the value of coaches overall in cricket, but we regained the Ashes (draw) with Paine as captain, won the T20 WC with Finch as captain and won the Ashes with Cummins as captain so if Langer has a negative effect on our team then we must be bloody good.

 

[The Magenius]

Cummins is a genuine snake in the grass. I don’t see how his teammates who aren’t in the NSW sandpaper gang(smith, khwaja, starc, Hazelwood, Lyon, Warner) could trust him to be honest.

I think it says a lot about his character, and indeed the character of he and his mates is the reason Langer got the job in the first place after they disgraced the country.

I’ve got zero respect for him and the way he has handled this, as for the board, well their ineptitude created this environment. But their ineptitude also created the environment for sandpaper gate.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

It’s the right call bloke hasn’t shown he can coach overseas yet

Or as coach against India here 2ce.

Two Ashes wins here against appalling Pom teams. A T20 WC that he, from all accounts had little to do with.

Had his four years of flag waving. Contracts are not renewed all the time. He has spat the dummy with his famed ill temper and lack of grace. He is not bigger than the game.

Move on.

 

[frankrizzo]

We wouldnt have learned anything new in asia with langer as coach, lets be real we are most likely losing in india and pakistan and maybe SL with langer as coach or without langer as the coach as the batting issues in those conditions run far deeper than any coach and won't be fixed easily.

Smith appearing to be in decline makes our hopes even bleaker in asia.

 

[Plugger35]

Kim Hughes and Justin Langer, another WA player gets into a position of power and those NSW bastards stab them in the back, when will it end.

 

[It Just Is]

Right or wrong the players are going to be under public pressure to perform in Asia and at the home T20 World Cup.

Good luck lads.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

He was still given an extension which would have taken him to next home summer. Personally that’s actually fair enough. Prove yourself that you can win overseas. Langer hasn’t shown that. Sometimes the hard decision is the correct one, more than happy with this call.

Last time I looked he retained the ashes in England. Something not done often.

Don’t you have to cross an ocean or 2 to get there?

 

[two blue tiger]

Ashwin has played 67% of his tests in Asia, Lyon 18%.

Indeed he has. What I’m saying is I don’t know whether JL, for all his flag waving “let’s go boys” “play for the baggy green” “get around each other” etc etc rhetoric, has it in him after a few years tenure to challenge a senior player to look at how a highly successful opposition player goes about his business and then actually “coach” his own player to adapt to the prevailing conditions.

No, I’m not a great Lyon fan (mainly because of the slightly too short length and “not hitting off stump” line he continues to bowl), but I would have thought that a strong tactical coach could have influenced that and improved the player.

Just my opinion - that’s what forums are for……

 

[BStaff17]

It was one bad test.

They beat us in Melbourne with one of their all-time great attacks, it was only in Brisbane that they had that many out.

And if that's the case, they should have sacked him then and there'd be no argument. By having such a great summer, they've been put in a position where they just look stupid now.

Well because they pulled out of the tour to south africa last February meant they barely had any cricket for 5-6 months.

So i think CA thought 6 months on from the Indian series everything would settle down. And things would return to normal.

Then things got worse in Bangladesh with the b-team.

If they went to South Africa last year and got done i reckon Langer would have been axed 12 months ago after that tour.

Not many Australian coaches survive B2B test series losses.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Lost the players while winning is.

That’s why the players come out of this looking like pre-madonnas and CA spent more time trying to spin the story over the past 3 months than doing something about it.

Evident he was sidelined after the Bangladesh tour. Staff and players picked up the load. Success that followed owes little to him.

 

[The Passenger]

Meh...

What will probably happen is we appoint bayliss (outside chance Gillespie) and we'll win in Australia against almost all teams, struggle in the subcontinent, should at least retain ashes 2023.

Meanwhile, England will appoint langer (most likely) and seam bowl their way to some half decent series wins in England but find themselves completely inept away from home.

(I.e. I doubt a whole lot will change on field)

Lehmann's nonchalant approach was great... Until Cape town.

Langer's new age (barefoot healing circles) intense approach was ridiculous... Until the T20 world cup.

Over in England Andy Flower was all the rage... Until Mitchell Johnson pulled 2013/14 out if his ass.

Cricket Australia's handling has been terrible, but what else is new there.

 

[The Passenger]

Kim Hughes and Justin Langer, another WA player gets into a position of power and those NSW bastards stab them in the back, when will it end.

Errr, Hughes was ****ed over by two fellow sandgropers and a south Australian...

 

[BStaff17]

Errr, Hughes was f’ed over by two fellow sandgropers and a south Australian...

Its weird that WA people have this complex with blaming NSW.

And want to blame them for everything that goes wrong while ignoring the facts and truth.

Is it jealousy thing. I just dont get it.

Maybe the current situation in the country has something to do with it and its easy to pot NSW.

Aaron Finch supposedly didnt want to endorse Langer as well yet no one is talking about him or calling him gutless.