Coach Grumpy

[Phone]

I am going to put it this way: while this has certainly been a mess, I do not think there was any way Langer was leaving this job after the success over the past 6-8 months without there being a mess. He has the ideal combination of traits to ensure that, no matter how this was handled, it would've resulted in precisely this outcome; short fuse, holds grudges, controlling, obsessive, and a number of extremely prominent friends around the Australian cricket establishment in commentary, the media, coaching and administration.

That it's gone the way it's gone is unsurprising in the slightest.

Over time, it'll be interesting to hear if they didn't simply completely sack him 6 months ago because they didn't want to deal with what they're doing with now prior to the home summer and T20 WC

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Time for a 'Put your gnome out campaign'?

 

[deanc]

There is a real jilted lover vibe coming from that generation of players atm.

I actually think the opposite of what many on here are saying and think this displays very strong leadership from Cummins. He obviously would have been keenly aware that rejecting Langer would be very unpopular with that generation of players. Players who are now the loudest voices in the Cricket Media.

To me, it seems clear Cummins wants to lead this team to it’s own achievements and is prepared to represent his players. I see this as a rejection of the ‘boys club’ - not a victory for it.

Cummins padding away related questions from the media in the lead up to this outcome would of been encouraged by CA and was wise of Cummins in regards to his future leadership/career.
Not sure appeasing former players with media roles would of been high on Cummins's agenda, Pat is no dummy and providing the media a headline would of benefited him and his team how..?

Time to move on, the outcome is what it is - and at least CA have been consistent with how poorly they always seem to manage such decisions and assuming they do have a PR manager/consultant then he/she should also be sacked..!

The final point I'll make is an observation - how many current powerbrokers at CA have actually played professional cricket..?

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Aka the inmates running the asylum.

Kidding ya self if you think it’s any different in any other cricket team, AFL team etc

 

[Sonny Hayes]

They are professional sportsmen, they are paid very well to get the best out of themselves.

And a coach is paid to enable them to get the best out of themselves, literally the ****ing job

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Dude, he just won a world cup and had a convincing Ashes series win. If the players are unhappy with winning because they're not mates with the coach then they're in elite sport for the wrong reason. It's not the 5th grade scrubbers where you rock up to sink piss.

One thing's for sure, the pressure is now on those players to get the results. Even a bad ODI series coming up is going to get the blowtorch applied.

He also lost 2 home series, and that convincing Ashes series was against a team many called the worst touring team in decades.

Let’s not pretend this Aussie team has been performing above expectations.

No one is claiming he has to be best buddies with the players. But if a majority of the players hve an issue with the coach he probably needs to change/ be moved

 

[sherb]

Kidding ya self if you think it’s any different in any other cricket team, AFL team etc

That's the inmates running the asylum too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There is a real jilted lover vibe coming from that generation of players atm.

I actually think the opposite of what many on here are saying and think this displays very strong leadership from Cummins. He obviously would have been keenly aware that rejecting Langer would be very unpopular with that generation of players. Players who are now the loudest voices in the Cricket Media.

To me, it seems clear Cummins wants to lead this team to it’s own achievements and is prepared to represent his players. I see this as a rejection of the ‘boys club’ - not a victory for it.

That would all be true if he actually said it (what you say he is thinking) instead of lying to the press and the public. Theres no planet on which Cummins lying can be spun into anything other than poor leadership unless youre ignoring the reality of what he did.

 

[BACCS]

Thats beside the point because its looking at the results. You dont tell the truth because its going to get you a good result you do it because its the right thing to do and even if you get a bad result thats worth doing. I agree that Cummins was put in a bad situation by CA but he still has a clear lack of ethics and thats on him and no one else. Thats not a real leader.

Lack of ethics? Wow, pretty substantial claim to make about someone, easy to do on an anonymous forum. Would you truly stand by that if questioned in person?

 

[thejester]

Thats beside the point because its looking at the results. You dont tell the truth because its going to get you a good result you do it because its the right thing to do and even if you get a bad result thats worth doing. I agree that Cummins was put in a bad situation by CA but he still has a clear lack of ethics and thats on him and no one else. Thats not a real leader.

Sorry dude, not sure in what world 'yes please sack this person' would be considered the ethical choice in this scenario.

 

[Demons09]

Kidding ya self if you think it’s any different in any other cricket team, AFL team etc

Do you honestly think an AFL coach is going to get the sack if they’re consistently winning finals even though the player’s don’t like him you’re delusional if you do.
Anyway they’ve made their bed the scrutiny will come as early as the Sri Lanka tour by the media lets hope the captain handles it better than this saga if the team isn’t performing.

 

[new breed]

Take a leap of faith and add Travis Head to leadership group , piss Smith out of leadership group , all that needs to be done .
Just cannot trust the playing group from 2018 we cleaned the slate don't go back .
Cummins not experienced enough yet seems a ripper bloke and player but was put in a situation .

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Sorry dude, not sure in what world 'yes please sack this person' would be considered the ethical choice in this scenario.

In an honest one.
Can i also point out he didnt have to use the words 'sack' anybody he just needed to honestly state his position and not blatantly lie. There is actually an answer in between those two goal posts.
Like i said the fact that he did is a problem.
The fact that most of us dont see it as a problem is the bigger problem-it illustrates one of the key reasons why society in our country as a whole isnt what it should be and speaks to much bigger issues.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Lack of ethics? Wow, pretty substantial claim to make about someone, easy to do on an anonymous forum. Would you truly stand by that if questioned in person?

Yes i would.
I think a lack of ethics is the right description given what happened at the presser.
Pat might be a decent person in the rest of life (ive never met him so i cant see otherwise) but on this ocassion he didnt display any ethics because he didnt consider being honest something that someone in his position should do.
People can learn and change and hopefully he does.

 

[Broar]

Now that all the former players have kicked the boot into the current ones I'm looking forward to some more unhinged Langer stories being leaked.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Do you honestly think an AFL coach is going to get the sack if they’re consistently winning finals even though the player’s don’t like him you’re delusional if you do.
Anyway they’ve made their bed the scrutiny will come as early as the Sri Lanka tour by the media lets hope the captain handles it better than this saga if the team isn’t performing.

If the playing group went to the board and said we want him gone? Absolutely he would be out the door in an instant.

Also a better analogy would be an average middle of the pack team, because that is what we are.

 

[Demons09]

Now that all the former players have kicked the boot into the current ones I'm looking forward to some more unhinged Langer stories being leaked.

Not much integrity in the current ones few still there from four years ago.

 

[Around the Wicket]

The players have heaped alot of pressure on themselves, tours of Pakistan, Sri Lanka and India to come, probably go into all 3 as underdogs, so if they lose badly they'll cop it in the media.

 

[BStaff17]

Now that all the former players have kicked the boot into the current ones I'm looking forward to some more unhinged Langer stories being leaked.

MORRIS: The brutal $41K revenge act that exposed Justin Langer’s biggest flaw

MORRIS: The brutal $41K revenge act that exposed Justin Langer’s biggest flaw

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[thejester]

In an honest one.
Can i also point out he didnt have to use the words 'sack' anybody he just needed to honestly state his position and not blatantly lie. There is actually an answer in between those two goal posts.
Like i said the fact that he did is a problem.
The fact that most of us dont see it as a problem is the bigger problem-it illustrates one of the key reasons why society in our country as a whole isnt what it should be and speaks to much bigger issues.

But any honest statement of the player's position would clearly make the Langer's position untenable. I think once you go down to this route the bigger question is why we, as a third party, have any right to hear from Cummins on the issue.

 

[thejester]

Do you honestly think an AFL coach is going to get the sack if they’re consistently winning finals even though the player’s don’t like him you’re delusional if you do.
Anyway they’ve made their bed the scrutiny will come as early as the Sri Lanka tour by the media lets hope the captain handles it better than this saga if the team isn’t performing.

But the problem with this analogy is they didn't consistently win finals?

 

[masai tu]

Kim Hughes and Justin Langer, another WA player gets into a position of power and those NSW bastards stab them in the back, when will it end.

Me thinks that it was the Chappell’s, Bachus Marsh, Lillie etc, doing the nudging. Let’s call it a dagger job.

Not too sure if Lawson and his University of NSW clan were involved.

 

[Tugga27]

Darren Lehmann got a better send off by CA.
What a ****ing joke of an organisation.

 

[masai tu]

Colour me shocked, another mate of Langer's critical of the situation

Whichever way you look at it :-

Gilchrist >>>>> all the members of the present Australian team.

 

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