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Pure_Ownage said:
Ponting doesnt want to spend the year on the road away from his family-no chance he goes for it.
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Yep, and assuming RT Ponting was sitting on the fence considering the position, this outcome just pushed him off it..! There is little chance Punter will take on the role now, given CA's embarrassing incompetent management over the past 6 months regarding Australia's former Test captain and coach...

This will at least please some current players, because if they thought JL was too intense and a taskmaster, he's a fluffy bunny compared to RT Ponting..!
 
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deanc said:
Yep, and assuming RT Ponting was sitting on the fence considering the position, this outcome just pushed him off it..! There is little chance Punter will take on the role now, given CA's embarrassing incompetent management over the past 6 months regarding Australia's former Test captain and coach...

This will at least please some current players, because if they thought JL was too intense and a taskmaster, he's a fluffy bunny compared to RT Ponting..!
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Ponting earns too much dosh to ever consider coaching.

IPL, Plus 7 would pay bank, add in the odd UK test series and its money galore.
 
Tugga27 said:
So if we lost, do you think he would've been blamed or the assistant coaches?

You can't have it both ways.
Blame him for the losses but credit the wins to other people.
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It depends... the only way to judge a coach's performance is to understand what role they actually played, which is generally only possible if you get behind the scenes, do a review and get feedback.

Which is what CA did.

So draw your own conclusions... but the folks with the inside information decided they were happy to let Langer go. So what does that tell you?
 

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Tyberious Funk said:
It depends... the only way to judge a coach's performance is to understand what role they actually played, which is generally only possible if you get behind the scenes, do a review and get feedback.

Which is what CA did.

So draw your own conclusions... but the folks with the inside information decided they were happy to let Langer go. So what does that tell you?
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I think once he lost the players he had to go.

But people on here are blaming him for the losses and giving the credit for the wins to assistant coaches, which is ludicrous.

If the role was to drag Australia off of the carpet and win us trophies, he succeeded.

Not saying everything he did was perfect, but the pile on here is ridiculous.

Most, if not all coaches are usually judged on wins and losses.
 
Really should be alarming Cricket Australia to have such a broad spectrum of ex players coming out criticizing their handling of this.

Past players publicly critical of CA:
Mark Taylor
Ricky Ponting
Adam Gilchrist
Steve Waugh
Brad Haddin
Mitchell Johnson
Michael Clark
Kim Hughes
Matthew Hayden
Brad Hogg
 
Beutbrute said:
Really should be alarming Cricket Australia to have such a broad spectrum of ex players coming out criticizing their handling of this.

Past players publicly critical of CA:
Mark Taylor
Ricky Ponting
Adam Gilchrist
Steve Waugh
Brad Haddin
Mitchell Johnson
Michael Clark
Kim Hughes
Matthew Hayden
Brad Hogg
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They all have one thing in common.

They are all JL's mates though.

Hard to get a decent non-bias assessment on this from them when they were always going to blow up when JL eventually lost his job weather it was last year, now or next year.

They are right the way CA have handled this has been disgraceful.

There are 2 sides to every story.

But the one i found quite poor was Mitchell Johnson who was as sensitve as anyone on the field when it came to the barmy army admitted he has had mental health problems and rightly or wrongly was happy to shit can the south african coach out the door when he was coaching Australia.

To personally attack the Australian captain in his newspaper article.

Pick up the phone Mitch and ring Pat and tell him what you think and you might get full story instead of dragging yourself into the gutter by using a newspaper to keep your relevant.
 
Big Bryza said:
Pathetic work from CA.

Clear as day that the senior members of the playing group (the NSW boys) weren't fans of Langer.

Yeah, he was probably a hard arse but he was exactly what the Aussie team needed when he took over. Sometimes you need to be told what you don't like to hear.

So, what happens next? The aussie side just go back to the old ways, with the players running the show again?

Really disappointing time to be a supporter of Australian cricket.
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It's not as bad as all the over reaction. Langer's email sums everything up. He going as rightly does not feel they with him fully so no point going as coach if you feel that but still the four years show things left in much better shape that he found them in terms of the Aussie cricket team. The board is the ones that worse which hard to believe given sandpapergate but the board is really a mess. Been crap boards before where teams can still win games in spite of admin a joke. It more long term admin can undo things on team front. Right now I see team the best it looked for over a decade.
 
Beutbrute said:
Really should be alarming Cricket Australia to have such a broad spectrum of ex players coming out criticizing their handling of this.

Past players publicly critical of CA:
Mark Taylor
Ricky Ponting
Adam Gilchrist
Steve Waugh
Brad Haddin
Mitchell Johnson
Michael Clark
Kim Hughes
Matthew Hayden
Brad Hogg
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You would think the blokes like taylor and waugh who knifed a coaching legend to install their recently retired close friend in the job would have the sense to not be throwing stones here.

Bobby simpson was more well liked by his mates from his own era and past era he had coached than the young men he was actually coaching in 1995 as well and in the end that was the issue they needed a break from his over the top style and they got it and the team did fine after it.
 
BStaff17 said:
They all have one thing in common.

They are all JL's mates though.

Hard to get a decent non-bias assessment on this from them when they were always going to blow up when JL eventually lost his job weather it was last year, now or next year.

They are right the way CA have handled this has been disgraceful.
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My point is this is such a broad spectrum of past players, not just a few of his mates he played with. That list includes every captain Australia had from 1994 until until Langer started as coach. That is damning on Cricket Australia.

I don't believe for a minute all of those players and ex Captains were "going to blow up when JL eventually lost his job" had Cricket Australia handled things better.
 
BStaff17 said:
They all have one thing in common.

They are all JL's mates though.

Hard to get a decent non-bias assessment on this from them when they were always going to blow up when JL eventually lost his job weather it was last year, now or next year.

They are right the way CA have handled this has been disgraceful.

There are 2 sides to every story.

But the one i found quite poor was Mitchell Johnson who was as sensitve as anyone on the field when it came to the barmy army admitted he has had mental health problems and rightly or wrongly was happy to sh*t can the south african coach out the door when he was coaching Australia.

To personally attack the Australian captain in his newspaper article.

Pick up the phone Mitch and ring Pat and tell him what you think and you might get full story instead of dragging yourself into the gutter by using a newspaper to keep your relevant.
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Astonishing that they would all arc up tells me some of them would have a fair idea what went down, its a given CA is incompetent Cummings well he was part of that bowling line up in SA and i don’t believe for a minute he and the bowlers didn’t know the ball was tampered with so you integrity and all that don’t think he shown any through his his saga.
 

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Think long-term is the right move, but was definitely a pisspoor way to handle it and Langer is well justified in feeling pissed off at the political way CA handled the situation. Cowardly management.

Obviously no idea what really went on behind closed doors but feel like if Cummins wanted Langer out probably could have been handled between the two of them rather than being underhanded about it going through management without being upfront (again no idea if that's what happened but that's the vibe I'm getting)
 
Demons09 said:
Astonishing that they would all arc up tells me some of them would have a fair idea what went down,
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Why is it astonishing? langer was a great player and a loyal team man, im sure even in smaller doses an inspirational coach but the guys talking are all retired and have no skin in the game, they didn't have to put up with langers abrasive style of management on a daily basis at their jobs.

Don't even get my started on the johnson/clarke era piping in here, funny so many took their side over arthur with homework rubbish we didnt label players soft then because i was some south african guy riding them and not an aussie cricket legend doing it but same shit coach went too hard lost the players so coach was the one to go not players.
 
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Richard Pryor said:
Think long-term is the right move, but was definitely a pisspoor way to handle it and Langer is well justified in feeling pissed off at the political way CA handled the situation. Cowardly management.

Obviously no idea what really went on behind closed doors but feel like if Cummins wanted Langer out probably could have been handled between the two of them rather than being underhanded about it going through management without being upfront (again no idea if that's what happened but that's the vibe I'm getting)
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Why would anyone assume that Cummins and Langer haven't discussed things? It only looks like Cummins is doing the professional thing and not making any internal discussions public - not that internal discussions haven't taken place.
 
Demons09 said:
Astonishing that they would all arc up tells me some of them would have a fair idea what went down, its a given CA is incompetent Cummings well he was part of that bowling line up in SA and i don’t believe for a minute he and the bowlers didn’t know the ball was tampered with so you integrity and all that don’t think he shown any through his his saga.
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The ex players have only been told one side of the story which is Langer's. And of course they will side with him.

I agree that CA as per usual have completely screwed it up and didn't show Langer the respect he deserved.

And that the whole team at Cape Town not just Smith, Warner and Bancroft are responsible for sandpaper another situation CA try to managed rather then get the full truth.

But that doesn't make Langer a saint he was told last February to tone it down and control himself more.

Next time he went on tour in West Indies/Bangladesh there was another couple of incidents which basically forced the playing group to push Langer to the side. Because after he was warned he didn't listen to the feedback.

By the time he did it was too late and seems the trust was over between the two parties.

And what if Cummins comes out and shitbags Langer publically do you reckon yourself, Hayden, Ponting and the public aren't going to lay into him either way for talking about a legend with disdain.

Can't have it both ways Cummins was a diplomatically as he possibly could without verbally trashing Langer out the door.
 

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Phone said:
I like the idea that Cummins could go to a press conference and honestly list various episodes that helped create the path and Hayden and co will be like "oh, nevermind then"
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Yeah its hilarious that people seem to think Pat should just air all the dirty laundry of Langer at a presser.

For starters Langer's coaching reputation would take more of hit that way and could make him unemployable for future gigs.

And the vitriol would be worse from these ex cricketers who are whinging already.

The way they are whinging makes it seem like JL has rang them up and said just rip them to shreds boys.
 
Tugga27 said:
I think once he lost the players he had to go.

But people on here are blaming him for the losses and giving the credit for the wins to assistant coaches, which is ludicrous.

If the role was to drag Australia off of the carpet and win us trophies, he succeeded.

Not saying everything he did was perfect, but the pile on here is ridiculous.

Most, if not all coaches are usually judged on wins and losses.
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I wouldn't have called it a pile-on. Most people are piling onto Cricket Australia.
 

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